What the corpus says about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)

What was said about it (26)

1. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:37:26 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · programming · Both sequels arrive within a month of each other. · "Now, both getting sequels within a month of each other."
2. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:17:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · lineage · The first film's theme was isolation versus justice (Killmonger vs. T'Challa); the sequel has a real-world theme too, about allyship between Latinx and Black communities, but is not done as well. · "his movies always have a big dynamic real world theme in them in a way that I don't think many Marvel movies do."
3. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had. · "Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda."
4. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Captain America: Civil War ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way. · "Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie."
5. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. · "Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance."
6. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:38:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness · theme · Sean sees Riri Williams as the second recent puckish teen hero, after America Chavez, whom the audience has no prior relationship with. · "we just had this with America Chavez in Doctor Strange in the multiverse of Madness."
7. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:53:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · craft · The first film lived in one coherent Wakanda look from Ruth Carter's costumes and the production design, while the sequel hops between many places and loses a single visual style. · "In this movie, we're in so many places, that ship at night, Riri's dorm room, Talakan, Everett Ross's jogging trip, his kitchen, the movie's just all over the place."
8. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:37:16 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · industry · Two billion-dollar-plus first films both getting sequels a month apart, both as possible Best Picture contenders. · "You have 2 cultural phenomenon, $1000000000 1st movies"
9. [The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · industry · Black Panther 2 is among the most anticipated films, along with Avatar 2, and its long wait is compared to the Avatar gap. · "Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists"
10. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:29 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Interstellar · demanding-film grace · Van notes Interstellar asks viewers to grasp relativity and singularity, yet nobody balks at it the way they do at Infinity Stones. · "And he's asking you to understand relatively relativity, singularity, and all of these things."
11. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:48 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Tenet · demanding-film grace · Van argues audiences give Nolan films like Tenet grace for demanding hard work that comic book movies do not get. · "I think that there's a grace that we give to quote unquote, serious films or real films."
12. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:54 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Inception · demanding-film grace · Van says many people love Inception without understanding it, yet comic book movies are not given the same pass. · "I know a lot of people who loved inception."
13. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Clash of the Titans · mythology · Sean suggests Amanda could watch Namor's Mayan mythology the way she might watch Greek-myth movies like Clash of the Titans or Troy. · "is there any like suspension of disbelief where you could watch it the same way you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?"
14. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Troy · mythology · Sean pairs Troy with Clash of the Titans as myth-based movies that ask for the same suspension of disbelief. · "you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?"
15. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ⇒ Ironheart (the host's read) · backdoor pilot · Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film. · "the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show."
16. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:39:26 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · runtime · The sequel runs 2:41 against the original's 2:12, which Amanda reads as the film trying to do too much. · "it's 2 hours and 41 minutes for a reason because they're trying to do too much."
17. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70)] Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · CGI weakness · The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight. · "You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit."
18. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · CGI standard · Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI. · "I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better."
19. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar · blue people / underwater · Amanda could not stop thinking of Avatar because it is another Disney underwater saga with blue people. · "I mean, it's an underwater saga from the Disney corporation."
20. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:55:45 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · action set piece · Amanda rewatched the first film's casino fight, built around Okoye, and found nothing in the sequel as exciting. · "I really loved the casino fight. I think that's like a really great action set piece."
21. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:58:25 · Van Lathan (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Spider-Man: No Way Home · final fight · Van names the Marvel third-act problem and cites No Way Home as a movie that is all about its final fight. · "The whole movie is for the final fight."
22. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:06:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Game of Thrones · succession story · Sean says a version centered on who should rule Wakanda is the kind of heir story Game of Thrones told expertly, though not House of the Dragon. · "Game of Thrones was very good at posing who should be the heir."
23. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:09:59 · Sean Fennessey (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avengers: Endgame · Marvel peak · Sean asks whether Endgame was the crowning achievement and everything since has been scattered fan service. · "Is there a part of you that's like Endgame was actually was the crowning achievement"
24. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:11:23 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Thor: Love and Thunder · Marvel malaise · Van says Marvel films are now parodies of themselves, citing Thor: Love and Thunder as a spoof of Ragnarok. · "Some of these films are almost parodies of themselves."
25. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Captain America: The Winter Soldier ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · restraint · Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now. · "Captain America Winter Soldier was less."
26. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:24 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Werewolf by Night ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · small-scale Marvel · Van says Werewolf by Night is the kind of fantastic small Marvel piece that ends up on Disney+, while Sean wishes there were more reading-an-issue movies like it. · "the good stuff like werewolf by night, which was fantastic."

Films put beside it more than once (3)

1. [pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · said 6 times in 1 episode
2. [pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · said 3 times in 3 episodes
3. [pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar · said 2 times in 2 episodes

Fun items about it (4)

1. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:12:39 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Before the screening Sean tells Amanda the IMAX holding poster shows Namor and promises she will learn a lot about him. · "Sean was just like, cool, okay, you're going to learn a lot about Neymar."
2. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:16:40 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Amanda says she was out when the whales floated in and Namor talked to the animals. · "I think when the whales started floating through to do whatever the whales did is when I was like, oh, all right, okay."
3. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:40:54 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Van says that during the funeral scenes he kept wondering whether Angela Bassett's and Shuri's tears were real, since Boseman really died. · "I'm like, is she really crying?"
4. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:08:58 · Van Lathan (0.90)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Van's all-time top five: Raising Arizona, Madhouse (with John Larroquette), The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, and at number one Wakanda Forever. · "Number four, Madhouse with John Larroquit."

One hop out: what recommends the films most often joined to it (22)

1. [The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture · 0:49:22 · David Shoemaker (0.40)] Black Panther ↔ Avengers: Infinity War · programming · Black Panther looks like the best bet to carry the MCU into the next phase after Infinity War. · "Black Panther certainly looks to be the best bet to carry the series into phase four"
2. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:26:04 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope · programming · After the Fox acquisition it felt like Disney would alternate Star Wars and Avatar releases. · "oh, they'll alternate every other year between a Star Wars movie and an Avatar movie."
3. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:26:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.90)] Edgar Rice Burroughs ⇒ Avatar (the maker said so: Cameron's 1994 80-page treatment) · lineage · Cameron's Avatar treatment drew on childhood sci-fi reading, Burroughs and Haggard. · "drawing inspiration from, quote, every single science fiction book that he had read in his childhood, and also Edgar Rice Burroughs, H. Rider Haggard."
4. [The Rewatchables · ‘Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me’ · 0:53:34 · unknown (0.40)] Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Both brush off time-travel logic with a joke. · "that's exactly what Avengers Endgame does too"
5. [Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:20:29 · unknown (0.35)] Captain America: The Winter Soldier ↔ Captain America: Civil War · theme · The idea of Cap as someone with values who distrusts his government is what Civil War is about. · "Because that's what civil war is about."
6. [Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 0:25:32 · Griffin Newman (0.70)] Black Panther ↔ Avengers: Infinity War · programming · Griffin loved Black Panther just before, then felt Infinity War was one Marvel movie too big. · "Having, you know, loved Black Panther, which came out right before this."
7. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:27:41 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania · programming · Disney's next big release after Avatar 2 is Ant-Man in late February, giving it about two months of runway. · "No, it's Ant-man in like late February, maybe."
8. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:26:24 · unknown (0.40)] John Carter of Mars ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar reads like a John Carter of Mars style story. · "Yeah, it's very like John Carter of Mars or whatever."
9. [Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 1:46:32 · unknown (0.30)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Doctor Strange's 14 million futures: Endgame is the one pathway he sees. · "A movie endgame is the one pathway."
10. [Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:50:50 · unknown (0.30)] Iron Man 2 ↔ Captain America: Civil War · theme · Both films go back to Tony's parents and father issues. · "The movie goes back to that well."
11. [Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40)] Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Black Panther (the host's read) · lineage · Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use. · "So instead they use vibranium as their super metal."
12. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:38:33 · Sean Fennessey (0.50)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Napoleon · programming · Apple may release Napoleon on Christmas Day because the landscape is soft. · "Apple is seriously considering releasing Ridley Scott's Napoleon starring Joaquin Phoenix on Christmas Day because they're looking at the landscape and they're like, it's soft out here."
13. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:42:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.50)] The Wizard of Oz ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar is described as a deep Wizard of Oz homage. · "In case you were wondering, this is a deep wizard of a homage, among other things."
14. [Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 2:09:10 · unknown (0.40)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Thanos's Titan speech echoes his first line about knowing what it is to be right and still lose. · "And this is the echo to, I know what it's like."
15. [The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:50:31 · Van Lathan (0.70)] Russo Brothers ↔ Captain America: Civil War · craft · Van credits the Russos as experts at MCU action, better at it than directors of the other movies. · "Yeah, like in the movies and there's a very, you know, what the Russo's do for the MCU, it's not easy to do that, right?"
16. [The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ · 1:35:07 · Van Lathan (0.35)] Black Panther ↔ Internal Affairs · theme · Peck is the man compared to Garcia, like a Killmonger thing: he talks shit to the very end. · "It's kind of like a whole, like, Black Panther, Killmonger thing, where you leave."
17. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:44:26 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Terminator 2: Judgment Day · lineage · Cameron's pitches for sequels sounded off beforehand and then worked, as with T2. · "Before Terminator 2 was like, you want more Terminator?"
18. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:52:25 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar ↔ Aliens · lineage · Cameron's 1995 pitch for Avatar was much closer to Aliens in tone. · "It was much closer to aliens in tone."
19. [Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 2:28:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Endgame's returning heroes prove Thanos wrong: you love even the tertiary characters. · "Feige being like C, Thanos was wrong."
20. [The Big Picture · Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show · 0:23:11 · unknown (0.40)] Roma ↔ Black Panther · theme · Two Black Panther craft wins early made the night feel like one Hollywood, with Roma and Netflix bursting both. · "I was like, okay, the 2 Hollywoods, that's definitely the theme, but in the middle kind of bursting the two, is is Roma and Netflix"
21. [The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:32:59 · Chris Ryan (0.75)] Babylon ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · craft · Chris thinks it cheap that Babylon's montage of cinema moments includes Avatar, which Sean defends as part of cinema's evolution. · "It feels cheap that he would put that movie in the like montage of the greatest film moments ever"
22. [The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:53:51 · unknown (0.40)] The Wizard of Oz ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar is an original story but inspired by Oz and John Ford movies. · "It's just like hugely inspired by not just the Wizard of Oz, but like lots of John Ford movies"

Who said it, by their latest sketch (3)

1. [speaker] Van Lathan · latest sketch, The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ · Enjoys the series for its sleaze, hang value and cheesy lines. Roots for Black-cast-free sendups and loves a flex category. Gravitates to Freddy and likes Kevin Bacon. · stances: Friday the 13th is a movie that did not need Black people; Rewards bad-hang awards and flex lists
2. [speaker] Amanda Dobbins · latest sketch, The Big Picture · ‘Mamma Mia!’ Meets ‘The Strangers'! It’s a Movie Swap! · Loves The Strangers' withholding craft and a good tense horror film without gore, but likes fun, communal movies like Mamma Mia. She dislikes supernatural or gory horror, which irritates her more than it scares her. She is a sucker for stars and for Googling a movie mid-recording. · stances: The Strangers is scary because of what it doesn't show or explain; Ending explanation weakens it; no answer would be better; Prefers 'withholding' filmmaking; Defends Mamma Mia as joyful and intentional
3. [speaker] Sean Fennessey · latest sketch, The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips! · Loves gory, funny, fast genre movies with craft and confidence, especially 87-minute films that never overstay. Can't stand ponderous elevated horror that fills out its runtime with introspection and sad family history. A sucker for the Carpenter-era lineage, Die Hard homages, and directors who break studio dogma. · stances: Resident Evil is one of the best films of the year; Horror movies have become a drag; fun genre experiences are needed; Short running times are a virtue; Video-game films work best when great filmmakers get creative license

The shows' running bits (2)

1. [bits] The Big Picture: Drafts (Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument); Hall of Fame (A star's or director's best, ranked and argued); Countdowns (Ranked lists, top five or top ten)
2. [bits] The Rewatchables: Apex Mountain (The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits); Who Won the Movie (The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off); The Ebert review (Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show); Casting what-ifs (Who was almost cast, or who should have been); Most rewatchable scene (The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels); Aged best / aged worst (What holds up and what does not); Picking Nits (The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits); Double feature (The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick)

The whole prompt

You are a clerk at Video Culture, a video store. A customer just finished Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) and wants to know what to watch next.

Below is what people who love movies said on three podcasts (Blank Check, The Rewatchables, The Big Picture) about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) and the films around it, one line each. Every line starts with where it came from, in brackets: [show · episode · time · speaker (how sure we are it was them)]. A [pairs] line says how often two films were put side by side. A [speaker] line says what that person likes. A [bits] line lists a show's running bits: a format, not an opinion.

[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:37:26 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · programming · Both sequels arrive within a month of each other. · "Now, both getting sequels within a month of each other."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:17:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · lineage · The first film's theme was isolation versus justice (Killmonger vs. T'Challa); the sequel has a real-world theme too, about allyship between Latinx and Black communities, but is not done as well. · "his movies always have a big dynamic real world theme in them in a way that I don't think many Marvel movies do."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had. · "Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Captain America: Civil War ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way. · "Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · theme · Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. · "Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:38:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness · theme · Sean sees Riri Williams as the second recent puckish teen hero, after America Chavez, whom the audience has no prior relationship with. · "we just had this with America Chavez in Doctor Strange in the multiverse of Madness."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:53:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · craft · The first film lived in one coherent Wakanda look from Ruth Carter's costumes and the production design, while the sequel hops between many places and loses a single visual style. · "In this movie, we're in so many places, that ship at night, Riri's dorm room, Talakan, Everett Ross's jogging trip, his kitchen, the movie's just all over the place."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:37:16 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · industry · Two billion-dollar-plus first films both getting sequels a month apart, both as possible Best Picture contenders. · "You have 2 cultural phenomenon, $1000000000 1st movies"
[The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · industry · Black Panther 2 is among the most anticipated films, along with Avatar 2, and its long wait is compared to the Avatar gap. · "Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists"
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:29 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Interstellar · demanding-film grace · Van notes Interstellar asks viewers to grasp relativity and singularity, yet nobody balks at it the way they do at Infinity Stones. · "And he's asking you to understand relatively relativity, singularity, and all of these things."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:48 · Van Lathan (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Tenet · demanding-film grace · Van argues audiences give Nolan films like Tenet grace for demanding hard work that comic book movies do not get. · "I think that there's a grace that we give to quote unquote, serious films or real films."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:54 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Inception · demanding-film grace · Van says many people love Inception without understanding it, yet comic book movies are not given the same pass. · "I know a lot of people who loved inception."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Clash of the Titans · mythology · Sean suggests Amanda could watch Namor's Mayan mythology the way she might watch Greek-myth movies like Clash of the Titans or Troy. · "is there any like suspension of disbelief where you could watch it the same way you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?"
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Troy · mythology · Sean pairs Troy with Clash of the Titans as myth-based movies that ask for the same suspension of disbelief. · "you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?"
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ⇒ Ironheart (the host's read) · backdoor pilot · Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film. · "the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:39:26 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · runtime · The sequel runs 2:41 against the original's 2:12, which Amanda reads as the film trying to do too much. · "it's 2 hours and 41 minutes for a reason because they're trying to do too much."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70)] Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read) · CGI weakness · The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight. · "You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · CGI standard · Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI. · "I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.60)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar · blue people / underwater · Amanda could not stop thinking of Avatar because it is another Disney underwater saga with blue people. · "I mean, it's an underwater saga from the Disney corporation."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:55:45 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · action set piece · Amanda rewatched the first film's casino fight, built around Okoye, and found nothing in the sequel as exciting. · "I really loved the casino fight. I think that's like a really great action set piece."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:58:25 · Van Lathan (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Spider-Man: No Way Home · final fight · Van names the Marvel third-act problem and cites No Way Home as a movie that is all about its final fight. · "The whole movie is for the final fight."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:06:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.85)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Game of Thrones · succession story · Sean says a version centered on who should rule Wakanda is the kind of heir story Game of Thrones told expertly, though not House of the Dragon. · "Game of Thrones was very good at posing who should be the heir."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:09:59 · Sean Fennessey (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avengers: Endgame · Marvel peak · Sean asks whether Endgame was the crowning achievement and everything since has been scattered fan service. · "Is there a part of you that's like Endgame was actually was the crowning achievement"
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:11:23 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Thor: Love and Thunder · Marvel malaise · Van says Marvel films are now parodies of themselves, citing Thor: Love and Thunder as a spoof of Ragnarok. · "Some of these films are almost parodies of themselves."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Captain America: The Winter Soldier ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · restraint · Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now. · "Captain America Winter Soldier was less."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:24 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Werewolf by Night ↔ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · small-scale Marvel · Van says Werewolf by Night is the kind of fantastic small Marvel piece that ends up on Disney+, while Sean wishes there were more reading-an-issue movies like it. · "the good stuff like werewolf by night, which was fantastic."
[pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Black Panther · said 6 times in 1 episode
[pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · said 3 times in 3 episodes
[pairs] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ↔ Avatar · said 2 times in 2 episodes
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:12:39 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Before the screening Sean tells Amanda the IMAX holding poster shows Namor and promises she will learn a lot about him. · "Sean was just like, cool, okay, you're going to learn a lot about Neymar."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:16:40 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Amanda says she was out when the whales floated in and Namor talked to the animals. · "I think when the whales started floating through to do whatever the whales did is when I was like, oh, all right, okay."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:40:54 · Van Lathan (0.80)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Van says that during the funeral scenes he kept wondering whether Angela Bassett's and Shuri's tears were real, since Boseman really died. · "I'm like, is she really crying?"
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:08:58 · Van Lathan (0.90)] Black Panther: Wakanda Forever · fun · Van's all-time top five: Raising Arizona, Madhouse (with John Larroquette), The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, and at number one Wakanda Forever. · "Number four, Madhouse with John Larroquit."
[The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture · 0:49:22 · David Shoemaker (0.40)] Black Panther ↔ Avengers: Infinity War · programming · Black Panther looks like the best bet to carry the MCU into the next phase after Infinity War. · "Black Panther certainly looks to be the best bet to carry the series into phase four"
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:26:04 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope · programming · After the Fox acquisition it felt like Disney would alternate Star Wars and Avatar releases. · "oh, they'll alternate every other year between a Star Wars movie and an Avatar movie."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:26:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.90)] Edgar Rice Burroughs ⇒ Avatar (the maker said so: Cameron's 1994 80-page treatment) · lineage · Cameron's Avatar treatment drew on childhood sci-fi reading, Burroughs and Haggard. · "drawing inspiration from, quote, every single science fiction book that he had read in his childhood, and also Edgar Rice Burroughs, H. Rider Haggard."
[The Rewatchables · ‘Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me’ · 0:53:34 · unknown (0.40)] Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Both brush off time-travel logic with a joke. · "that's exactly what Avengers Endgame does too"
[Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:20:29 · unknown (0.35)] Captain America: The Winter Soldier ↔ Captain America: Civil War · theme · The idea of Cap as someone with values who distrusts his government is what Civil War is about. · "Because that's what civil war is about."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 0:25:32 · Griffin Newman (0.70)] Black Panther ↔ Avengers: Infinity War · programming · Griffin loved Black Panther just before, then felt Infinity War was one Marvel movie too big. · "Having, you know, loved Black Panther, which came out right before this."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:27:41 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania · programming · Disney's next big release after Avatar 2 is Ant-Man in late February, giving it about two months of runway. · "No, it's Ant-man in like late February, maybe."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:26:24 · unknown (0.40)] John Carter of Mars ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar reads like a John Carter of Mars style story. · "Yeah, it's very like John Carter of Mars or whatever."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 1:46:32 · unknown (0.30)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Doctor Strange's 14 million futures: Endgame is the one pathway he sees. · "A movie endgame is the one pathway."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:50:50 · unknown (0.30)] Iron Man 2 ↔ Captain America: Civil War · theme · Both films go back to Tony's parents and father issues. · "The movie goes back to that well."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40)] Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Black Panther (the host's read) · lineage · Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use. · "So instead they use vibranium as their super metal."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:38:33 · Sean Fennessey (0.50)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Napoleon · programming · Apple may release Napoleon on Christmas Day because the landscape is soft. · "Apple is seriously considering releasing Ridley Scott's Napoleon starring Joaquin Phoenix on Christmas Day because they're looking at the landscape and they're like, it's soft out here."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:42:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.50)] The Wizard of Oz ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar is described as a deep Wizard of Oz homage. · "In case you were wondering, this is a deep wizard of a homage, among other things."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 2:09:10 · unknown (0.40)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Thanos's Titan speech echoes his first line about knowing what it is to be right and still lose. · "And this is the echo to, I know what it's like."
[The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:50:31 · Van Lathan (0.70)] Russo Brothers ↔ Captain America: Civil War · craft · Van credits the Russos as experts at MCU action, better at it than directors of the other movies. · "Yeah, like in the movies and there's a very, you know, what the Russo's do for the MCU, it's not easy to do that, right?"
[The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ · 1:35:07 · Van Lathan (0.35)] Black Panther ↔ Internal Affairs · theme · Peck is the man compared to Garcia, like a Killmonger thing: he talks shit to the very end. · "It's kind of like a whole, like, Black Panther, Killmonger thing, where you leave."
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 1:44:26 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar: The Way of Water ↔ Terminator 2: Judgment Day · lineage · Cameron's pitches for sequels sounded off beforehand and then worked, as with T2. · "Before Terminator 2 was like, you want more Terminator?"
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:52:25 · unknown (0.40)] Avatar ↔ Aliens · lineage · Cameron's 1995 pitch for Avatar was much closer to Aliens in tone. · "It was much closer to aliens in tone."
[Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War · 2:28:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40)] Avengers: Infinity War ↔ Avengers: Endgame · theme · Endgame's returning heroes prove Thanos wrong: you love even the tertiary characters. · "Feige being like C, Thanos was wrong."
[The Big Picture · Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show · 0:23:11 · unknown (0.40)] Roma ↔ Black Panther · theme · Two Black Panther craft wins early made the night feel like one Hollywood, with Roma and Netflix bursting both. · "I was like, okay, the 2 Hollywoods, that's definitely the theme, but in the middle kind of bursting the two, is is Roma and Netflix"
[The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:32:59 · Chris Ryan (0.75)] Babylon ↔ Avatar: The Way of Water · craft · Chris thinks it cheap that Babylon's montage of cinema moments includes Avatar, which Sean defends as part of cinema's evolution. · "It feels cheap that he would put that movie in the like montage of the greatest film moments ever"
[The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate · 0:53:51 · unknown (0.40)] The Wizard of Oz ⇒ Avatar (the host's read) · lineage · Avatar is an original story but inspired by Oz and John Ford movies. · "It's just like hugely inspired by not just the Wizard of Oz, but like lots of John Ford movies"
[speaker] Van Lathan · latest sketch, The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ · Enjoys the series for its sleaze, hang value and cheesy lines. Roots for Black-cast-free sendups and loves a flex category. Gravitates to Freddy and likes Kevin Bacon. · stances: Friday the 13th is a movie that did not need Black people; Rewards bad-hang awards and flex lists
[speaker] Amanda Dobbins · latest sketch, The Big Picture · ‘Mamma Mia!’ Meets ‘The Strangers'! It’s a Movie Swap! · Loves The Strangers' withholding craft and a good tense horror film without gore, but likes fun, communal movies like Mamma Mia. She dislikes supernatural or gory horror, which irritates her more than it scares her. She is a sucker for stars and for Googling a movie mid-recording. · stances: The Strangers is scary because of what it doesn't show or explain; Ending explanation weakens it; no answer would be better; Prefers 'withholding' filmmaking; Defends Mamma Mia as joyful and intentional
[speaker] Sean Fennessey · latest sketch, The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips! · Loves gory, funny, fast genre movies with craft and confidence, especially 87-minute films that never overstay. Can't stand ponderous elevated horror that fills out its runtime with introspection and sad family history. A sucker for the Carpenter-era lineage, Die Hard homages, and directors who break studio dogma. · stances: Resident Evil is one of the best films of the year; Horror movies have become a drag; fun genre experiences are needed; Short running times are a virtue; Video-game films work best when great filmmakers get creative license
[bits] The Big Picture: Drafts (Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument); Hall of Fame (A star's or director's best, ranked and argued); Countdowns (Ranked lists, top five or top ten)
[bits] The Rewatchables: Apex Mountain (The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits); Who Won the Movie (The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off); The Ebert review (Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show); Casting what-ifs (Who was almost cast, or who should have been); Most rewatchable scene (The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels); Aged best / aged worst (What holds up and what does not); Picking Nits (The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits); Double feature (The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick)

Recommend three to six films, and only films that appear in these lines. A series, a TV film, or a franchise counts too when a line recommends it or pairs it with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022); name it the way the line names it. Don't recommend Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) itself. For each one, give one short reason in your own words and say whose reason it is: the show, named exactly as the brackets name it, and the speaker when the line names one (an "unknown" speaker is just the show). If the lines are thin, say so plainly rather than stretching them.

Keep a contrast a contrast. When a line sets two films apart, the reason is how they differ; never turn it into a way they're alike. A line with ⇒ puts the source first and what drew on it second, and one marked "the maker said so" is still the host reporting it: say who said it, and never state an influence as fact.

You know only what's on these lines. Add no fact they don't state: not who directed a film, not what kind of film it is, not when it came out, unless a line says so. Say nothing about the store or how anything rents here.

Talk the way a clerk talks to a customer at the counter: plain text, titles written plainly with no asterisks or other markup, no headings, no lists of more than six, no JSON.