What the corpus says about Nightmare Alley (2021)

You are a clerk at Video Culture, a video store. A customer just finished Nightmare Alley (2021) and wants to know what to watch next.

Below is what people who love movies said on three podcasts (Blank Check, The Rewatchables, The Big Picture) about Nightmare Alley (2021) and the films around it, one line each. Every line starts with where it came from, in brackets: [show · episode · time · speaker (how sure we are it was them)]. A [pairs] line says how often two films were put side by side. A [speaker] line says what that person likes. A [bits] line lists a show's running bits: a format, not an opinion.

[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:27:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.70)] Nightmare Alley ↔ A Face in the Crowd · programming · Pairing them would nail the American sickness of the con man and his admirers. · "this movie and a face in the crowd would be an amazing double feature for nailing exactly what's wrong."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:03:35 · Sean Fennessey (0.95)] Nightmare Alley ⇒ Nightmare Alley (the host's read) · lineage · The 1947 film is a neutered version given 1940s moviemaking; the new one is bigger, bolder and better. · "It's an interesting movie, a neutered version of the story, I would say, given the circumstances of movie making back in the 40s."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:38:01 · Sean Fennessey (0.60)] Sorcerer ↔ Nightmare Alley · lineage · Both are remakes of films from earlier decades. · "Also a remake of a film from the 40s and 50s."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:57:21 · Patton Oswalt (0.85)] Bad Day at Black Rock ↔ Nightmare Alley · theme · A technicolor noir whose small-town resentment of a veteran is read as very Trump-like, echoing the Trump-as-carnival reading of the new film. · "I mean, that is very much a Trump or movie, these, um, people that, uh, are resenting the, the Japanese guy"
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:11:05 · Patton Oswalt (0.90)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Nightmare Alley · contrast · The 1947 film has great chiaroscuro photography but does not show how enticing a carnival is the way Del Toro does. · "He's able to show you Del Toro is able to show you how enticing, um, a carnival is, no matter how evil"
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:11:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80)] Nightmare Alley ↔ The Shape of Water · contrast · Both are Del Toro and Kim Morgan scripts, but this one has no way out where the earlier films stay hopeful. · "Yeah, they're often pretty hopeful and they often look on the bright side, ultimately, and they often feature children kind of emerging from traumatic circumstances."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:12:27 · Patton Oswalt (0.90)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Pan's Labyrinth · contrast · In Del Toro's other films a pure and hopeful heart defangs the monsters; the protagonist here has no such heart. · "if you butt up against them with, I think, more pure and hopeful heart, they aren't monsters anymore."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:33:54 · Patton Oswalt (0.85)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Goodfellas · contrast · Goodfellas is propulsive because its hero builds an empire; Nightmare Alley needs the slow seductive absorption that kills Carlisle. · "unlike a movie like Goodfellas, which is the definition of propulsive"
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 1:05:39 · Patton Oswalt (0.90)] All the President's Men ↔ Nightmare Alley · contrast · Covert conspiracy thrillers feel quaint now, so low-budget horror has taken over noir's role as commentary. · "A movie like all the president's men feel so quaint."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:38:05 · Patton Oswalt (0.70)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Sorcerer · industry · Both bombed on release, Sorcerer under the summer of Star Wars, and Nightmare Alley will be reassessed the same way. · "So this is going to be one of those movies that will be reassessed, I think, in the exact same way."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:10:12 · Patton Oswalt (0.95)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Nightmare Alley · ending · The new film keeps the novel's bleak ending, where the Tyrone Power version tacks on a happy Hollywood one. · "there's the perfect ending, end it right here, and then you get that tacked on Hollywood ending where things are really, really happy."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:12:01 · Patton Oswalt (0.85)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Cronos · same filmmaker, tonal kin · Cronos is the only earlier Del Toro film where there is no way out. · "this is really the 1st Del Toro, except maybe Kronos, where he started where there is no way out."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:41:41 · Patton Oswalt (0.95)] Nightmare Alley ↔ Nightmare Alley · noir definition · Patton doubts it is a true noir because the carnival is honest about its ugliness; the corrupt veneer lives in the penthouses. · "I don't really know that this is a true noir only because the world of this movie doesn't pretend like it's anything"
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:39:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.80)] Ron Perlman ⇒ Nightmare Alley (the host's read) · lineage · Perlman reportedly put the Gresham book in Del Toro's hands in the mid 90s, so he is why the film exists. · "he's the person, I believe, who, uh, who put the book in Del Toro's hands, I think in the mid 90s."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:13:26 · Patton Oswalt (0.90)] Kim Morgan ↔ Nightmare Alley · people · Morgan, a leading writer on classic noir, made this a dream project and the film realizes her worldview. · "It's such a realization of Kim's worldview, um, and then, of course, meeting the vision of Guillermo del Toro."
[The Big Picture · The 10 Most Misused Stars in Hollywood and the Gnarly Magic of ‘Send Help’ · 1:34:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.50)] Bradley Cooper ↔ Nightmare Alley · verdict · Nightmare Alley is a great performance about a possessed gross man, little beyond. · "it's a great performance about like a demon, like a possessed gross man and very little beyond that."
[pairs] Nightmare Alley ↔ Nightmare Alley · said 3 times in 1 episode
[pairs] Nightmare Alley ↔ Sorcerer · said 2 times in 1 episode
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:03:01 · Sean Fennessey (0.95)] Nightmare Alley (2021) · fun · Host watched it four times; first lukewarm, a soft-focused noir, he came around. · "And then I watched this movie a 4th time."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:36:51 · Sean Fennessey (0.90)] Nightmare Alley (2021) · fun · Leonardo DiCaprio was originally supposed to star; rumored to have passed over the dark ending and irredeemable lead. · "this was originally supposed to be Leonardo DiCaprio."
[The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, · 0:45:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.80)] Nightmare Alley (2021) · fun · Patton reads Carlisle's carnival origin as like Trump rallies: a traveling apparatus that sets up and leaves. · "he was called a carnival barker many, many times during his administration and he embraced it."
[Blank Check · Raiders of the Lost Ark · 2:32:51 · unknown (0.40)] Sorcerer ↔ Raiders of the Lost Ark · programming · They will do Sorcerer one day. · "Source will probably do one day."
[The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ · 0:21:08 · Chris Ryan (0.45)] All the President's Men ⇒ The Insider (the host's read) · lineage · The Insider is hoped to capture the same wave of reaction that All the President's Men did. · "they're hoping to capture that same kind of that wave that people have when they saw all the president's men."
[The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ · 0:30:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.40)] Spotlight ↔ All the President's Men · lineage · Spotlight was closer to the spirit of the conclusions of All the President's Men, if not its style. · "it was closer to the spirit of the conclusions of all the president's men, if not the style."
[The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 1:18:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.85)] All the President's Men ↔ Network · theme · Both are comfort rewatches though not comforting: the pros get the job done and do not fail. · "there's something about, you know, they're going to get the job done that is comforting to me."
[speaker] Patton Oswalt · latest sketch, Blank Check — Patreon · The Killing · Watches The Killing repeatedly, loves noir and character actors, Timothy Carey stories, Matthau in Pelham 123, Albert Brooks and Adam Sandler's dramatic work, Shudder and the Corman-style ecosystem. Hates the method and the auteur theory. · stances: The method and the auteur theory both get in the way of the work; The Killing's characters are small-time crooks who aren't smart enough; Titles do real work, the killing is a double meaning; Genre outsiders like Shudder directors will be the next filmmakers
[speaker] Sean Fennessey · latest sketch, The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips! · Loves gory, funny, fast genre movies with craft and confidence, especially 87-minute films that never overstay. Can't stand ponderous elevated horror that fills out its runtime with introspection and sad family history. A sucker for the Carpenter-era lineage, Die Hard homages, and directors who break studio dogma. · stances: Resident Evil is one of the best films of the year; Horror movies have become a drag; fun genre experiences are needed; Short running times are a virtue; Video-game films work best when great filmmakers get creative license
[bits] The Big Picture: Drafts (Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument); Hall of Fame (A star's or director's best, ranked and argued); Countdowns (Ranked lists, top five or top ten)
[bits] Blank Check: The box office game (Guessing the film's opening weekend and what it was up against); The sung theme ("Blank Check with Griffin and David", sung; the transcriber garbles it)
[bits] The Rewatchables: Apex Mountain (The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits); Who Won the Movie (The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off); The Ebert review (Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show); Casting what-ifs (Who was almost cast, or who should have been); Most rewatchable scene (The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels); Aged best / aged worst (What holds up and what does not); Picking Nits (The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits); Double feature (The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick)

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