The Shape of Water (2017)
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Wikidata Q26698156, film, IMDb tt5580390, TMDB 399055: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Guillermo del Toro as director (‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt!); 1 more episode agrees.
What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.
Who talked about it
The Big Picture
- Sean Fennessey: 2 lines in Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show (Ep. 131) · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt!
- Amanda Dobbins: 1 line in Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag
Came from
What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
No line says it drew on another film or person.
Led to
What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.
No line says another film or person drew on it.
Connected to
Get Out: 2 lines verdict ×1 contrast ×1
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verdict (verdict):
Get Out → The Shape of Water.
Any of Get Out, Lady Bird or Phantom Thread should have beaten The Shape of Water.
“3 options over the shape of water, get out, Ladybird or Phantom Thread, take your pick.”
The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:41:23 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)
Nightmare Alley: 1 line contrast ×1
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contrast (same filmmaker, tonal opposite):
Nightmare Alley → The Shape of Water.
Both are Del Toro and Kim Morgan scripts, but this one has no way out where the earlier films stay hopeful.
“Yeah, they're often pretty hopeful and they often look on the bright side, ultimately, and they often feature children kind of emerging from traumatic circumstances.”
The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt! · 0:11:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
Where it came up
- passing in The Big Picture · The Nicole Kidman Hall of Fame, and ‘Babygirl’, first at 1:43:48, 1 time
- passing in The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt!, first at 0:03:08, 3 times
- dismissed in The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag, first at 0:41:23, 1 time
- compared in The Big Picture · Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show (Ep. 131), first at 0:24:45, 3 times
- anecdote in Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free), first at 0:18:17, 3 times
What was said about it, by kind
contrast (2)
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contrast (same filmmaker, tonal opposite):
Nightmare Alley → The Shape of Water.
Both are Del Toro and Kim Morgan scripts, but this one has no way out where the earlier films stay hopeful.
“Yeah, they're often pretty hopeful and they often look on the bright side, ultimately, and they often feature children kind of emerging from traumatic circumstances.”
The Big Picture · ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt! · 0:11:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them) -
contrast (contrast):
The Shape of Water → Get Out.
Shape of Water won in a soft year because nobody was comfortable giving it to Get Out, Dunkirk, Lady Bird or Three Billboards.
“Nobody feels comfortable giving it to get out or to Dunkirk or to Ladybird, or even a 3 billboards.”
The Big Picture · Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show (Ep. 131) · 0:25:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
verdict (1)
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verdict (verdict):
Get Out → The Shape of Water.
Any of Get Out, Lady Bird or Phantom Thread should have beaten The Shape of Water.
“3 options over the shape of water, get out, Ladybird or Phantom Thread, take your pick.”
The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:41:23 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)
Fun items about it
None.
Who the speakers said made it
As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.
- Guillermo del Toro: director (The Big Picture, ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt!)
- Guillermo del Toro: director (The Big Picture, Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show (Ep. 131))
- Michael Shannon: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free))
- Doug Jones: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free))
- Kim Morgan: co-writer (The Big Picture, ‘Nightmare Alley’ and Our Favorite Films Noir, With Patton Oswalt!)
- Richard Jenkins: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free))
- Octavia Spencer: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free))