The Hustler (1961)

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Wikidata Q1130084, film, IMDb tt0054997, TMDB 990: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Paul Newman as actor (Fast Eddie Felson) (The Color of Money with Chris Ryan); 1 more episode agrees.

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Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

The Big Picture

The Rewatchables

Came from

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Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

The Color of Money: 7 lines the host's read ×7

  1. lineage (callback): The Hustler ⇒ The Color of Money (the host's read). The mentoring conversation Newman has with Vince and Carmen mirrors the one George C. Scott has with Newman in The Hustler; both films also go on the road.
    “that's basically the George C. Scott has the same conversation with Paul Newman and the Hustler.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:44:53 · Chris Ryan (0.65 sure it was them)

Connected to

The Color of Money: 11 lines lineage ×6 unmapped ×4 theme ×1

  1. theme (character arc): The Color of Money → The Hustler. Eddie in The Hustler is a loser and drunk with broken thumbs, an anti-hero rather than a golden god, unlike Cruise's Vincent.
    “What do we know about Eddie Felson from the Hustler is he's a loser.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:11 · Chris Ryan (0.70 sure it was them)

Jake LaMotta: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (cameo): Jake LaMotta → The Hustler. The real Jake LaMotta appears as a bartender in The Hustler, a link that Newman saw in Raging Bull.
    “Jake Lamata is in the hustler as a bartender.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 0:53:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Paul Newman: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (career best): Paul Newman → The Hustler. Chris argues The Hustler is the best of the young Newman performances.
    “I think this is the best of the young Newman performances.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 1:03:42 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

lineage (6)

  1. lineage (sequel): The Color of Money → The Hustler. The Color of Money is the sequel to The Hustler, but built from a new script that keeps only the title of the Tevis sequel novel.
    “Even when they start developing scripts and go, like, throw all that out, start fresh, they kept writing in parts from Minnesota fats.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 0:13:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (callback): The Color of Money → The Hustler. The mentoring conversation Newman has with Vince and Carmen mirrors the one George C. Scott has with Newman in The Hustler; both films also go on the road.
    “that's basically the George C. Scott has the same conversation with Paul Newman and the Hustler.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:44:53 · Chris Ryan (0.65 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (sequel/continuation): The Color of Money → The Hustler. Newman's Eddie Felson in 1986 becomes the George C. Scott hustler-mentor character of the original, and the sequel answers rather than remakes it.
    “the Newman character in the color of money becomes the George C. Scott character in the Hustler.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:45:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (callback): The Color of Money → The Hustler. Newman getting drunk and hustled by Amos is the first time he plays the Jackie Gleason role of the original, drunk and overconfident.
    “it's basically the 1st time he plays Jackie Gleason and the hustler where he's just like wasted and thinks he's going to win and then gets gets hustled.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:45:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (source material): The Color of Money → The Hustler. The film is theoretically based on Walter Tevis's follow-up novel to The Hustler but has almost nothing to do with it; Minnesota Fats was in the novel.
    “this is theoretically based on Walter Tevis's follow-up novel to the Hustler, but the movie has almost nothing to do with the novel”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:52:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): The Color of Money → The Hustler. The Color of Money revisits Eddie Felson years later, with Paul Newman in his twilight and a new protege.
    “Now we find Paul Newman bringing up like a new protégé.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:47:28 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (cameo): Jake LaMotta → The Hustler. The real Jake LaMotta appears as a bartender in The Hustler, a link that Newman saw in Raging Bull.
    “Jake Lamata is in the hustler as a bartender.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 0:53:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (character arc): The Color of Money → The Hustler. Eddie in The Hustler is a loser and drunk with broken thumbs, an anti-hero rather than a golden god, unlike Cruise's Vincent.
    “What do we know about Eddie Felson from the Hustler is he's a loser.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Color of Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:11 · Chris Ryan (0.70 sure it was them)

unmapped (4)

  1. unmapped (continuing tragedy): The Hustler → The Color of Money. The Color of Money carries the original film's tragedy as backstory without explaining it in a monologue.
    “And that's all the backstory for this movie, which is so interesting that he doesn't give the big monologue explaining what happened in the 1st film.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 0:12:13 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (manager/partner dynamic): The Hustler → The Color of Money. The original is about the partnership he lost and the flashier partner who destroyed him; Eddie's interest in Vincent and Carmen echoes it.
    “the sort of tragedy of him fucking up the partner he had who he valued and felt safe with and then getting fucked by the new flashier partner who like destroys his life”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 1:52:07 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (long opening set piece): The Hustler → The Color of Money. Both films open with a transfixing, sustained 20-30 minute chunk in one space.
    “All of that is basically a sustained like 20 minute chunk of the movie, much like the hustler, where you're just really staying in this space and the dynamics of all of it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 1:53:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (the loser mentality): The Hustler → The Color of Money. George C. Scott calls Eddie a loser in The Hustler; Whitaker's hustle in Color of Money undoes the same insecurity.
    “That's what undoes him when the Forrest Whitaker character in color of money beats him is he's like basically like, I've uncovered the old wound”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 2:19:30 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (career best): Paul Newman → The Hustler. Chris argues The Hustler is the best of the young Newman performances.
    “I think this is the best of the young Newman performances.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 1:03:42 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

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