Unforgiven (1992)

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Wikidata Q104137, film, IMDb tt0105695, TMDB 33: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Clint Eastwood as director (Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri); 2 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘Unforgiven’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey (2022-08-01):

Double feature

  1. pick The Outlaw Josey Wales: His dad's pick: an earlier Clint Western in which, after his family is killed, everybody has to die.
    “Atla Josie Wills.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:37:56
  2. pick High Plains Drifter: Paired because both are violent and morally ambiguous, with a stranger rolling into town and blowing everybody away.
    “High Plains Drifter is similarly morally ambiguous where it's just sort of like this guy rolls into town.”
    unknown · 1:38:09

Most rewatchable scene

  1. pick Will Munny and Ned by the fire: we ain't bad men no more, we're farmers, and how long since you fired a gun.
    “So I don't want to like skip over it, but I do like the 2nd scene with him and Morgan Freeman when they're at the fire.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:41:19
  2. floated English Bob meets Little Bill in the saloon.
    “Uh, The next one is when, um, English Bob meets Little Bill.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:42:59
  3. floated English Bob on the train talking about kings and queens, and Little Bill kicking him off the porch.
    “And then I love English Bob on the train.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:44:50
  4. floated Little Bill teaching Beauchamp how to judge the best killers: stay cool under fire, don't worry about the quickest draw, kill the best shooter first.
    “Next one is, uh, Little Bill explaining to Bochamp, how to rate the best killers in that whole scene”
    Bill Simmons · 0:46:13
  5. floated Will and Delilah's scene at the end of the road, shot with deep focus.
    “That scene should be terrible and it's not.”
    unknown · 0:47:27
  6. floated The Schofield Kid and Ned's botched killing of the first cowboy, Davey, begging for water.
    “It's the most non-western Western.”
    unknown · 0:48:19
  7. floated The Schofield Kid's outhouse killing and his breakdown afterward.
    “The, uh, the Schofield kids versus murder.”
    unknown · 0:49:55
  8. pick The ending: Will walks into Greeley's and kills everyone, from 'deserve's got nothing to do with it' on.
    “which is obviously the most rewatchable scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:50:18

Ebert review · The hosts read Roger Ebert's original review of the film.

  1. pick Unforgiven as 2.5 stars (later added to his great movies list): Called one of Ebert's biggest misses; he found it meandering and shapeless but said he enjoyed it, then put it on his great movies list years later.
    “He wrote, it's a kind of meandering picture.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:36:45

What aged the best · The parts of the movie that have held up best.

  1. pick Westerns are frozen in the moment so they don't feel dated
    “I think one of the cool things about Westerns for the rewatchables is it's just frozen in the moment.”
    unknown · 0:58:45
  2. pick The lean revenge premise and the town called Big Whiskey
    “Yeah, and just like, this guy doesn't want to do this anymore, but now he's been triggered and he's going to do it again.”
    unknown · 1:01:09
  3. pick A sheriff with outsized power for no reason
    “I like these TV, any TV or movie where the sheriff has this outsized power for no reason whatsoever.”
    unknown · 1:01:50
  4. pick The era when you could leave your kids alone for three weeks
    “the era when you could just leave your kids alone for 3 weeks.”
    unknown · 1:03:19
  5. pick Changing the title to Unforgiven
    “It's one of the great movie titles of all time.”
    unknown · 1:04:09
  6. pick Gene Hackman as Little Bill Daggett: His performance has grown over the years and feels more modern than Clint's.
    “the Hackman performance is like actually grown in my estimation in the years.”
    unknown · 1:04:47

Big Kahuna Burger Award · Best use of food or drink in the movie.

  1. winner Will taking a shot of whiskey mid-massacre
    “Well, I like when Will takes the shot mid-massacre.”
    unknown · 1:07:18

Den of Thieves Benihana Award · Best scene doing location work.

  1. winner Greeley's saloon
    “The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for scenes doing location, clearly Greeley's saloon.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:07:33

Gordo Award · Best shot in the movie.

  1. winner Deep-focus shot of Beauchamp's story with Alice's reaction: Deep-focus shot of the man hearing the story and realizing it is about his wife, before Frances Fisher's character says he has no wife above the ground.
    “I had the deep focus shot of, of, uh, the wireless sitting in front and hearing the story”
    Chris Ryan · 1:08:04

Butch's Girlfriend Award · The weak link of the film.

  1. winner James Woolvett as The Schofield Kid
    “The, uh, the Schofield kid actor, I think would be my winner.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:08:41

What aged the worst · The parts of the movie that have aged poorly.

  1. pick Ebert's review
    “Ebert's review we mentioned.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:09:11
  2. pick Ned leaving the group and giving away who they were as Ned Logan: Riding off alone and then telling Little Bill who his friends were.
    “Ned should have kept his mouth fucking shit.”
    unknown · 1:10:07

Vincent Chase Award · Are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

  1. nominee Little Bill Daggett as the sheriff: Offered, but the speaker mostly defended the sheriff.
    “The sheriff, I'm I'm just going to throw him out, but I actually think for the most part, I'm going to defend the sheriff's mantra.”
    unknown · 1:12:46
  2. winner Skinny Dubois as the saloon owner: Terrible at running the brothel and had no gun in a town where anyone could walk in shooting.
    “I mean, terrible at running the brothel.”
    unknown · 1:13:03

Ron Burgundy Award (best time for a pee break) · Best time for a pee break.

  1. winner Anytime in the first 20 minutes
    “I mean, honestly, you could pick anytime in the 1st 20 minutes.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:14:23
  2. winner Will Munny running a fever and sleeping after the beating: Long enough to go make a sundae.
    “I think the whole money having a fever getting his ass kicked and then being asleep is like a good time to like, yeah, make a Sunday.”
    unknown · 1:14:36

Was there a better title · Whether a better title existed for the movie.

  1. pick Unforgiven beats the other titles, including Whore's Gold
    “Unforgiven's perfect.”
    unknown · 1:15:21

Best quote · The best or most remembered line.

  1. winner Deserve's got nothing to do with it / It's a hell of a thing killing a man
    “Best quote, either deserves got nothing to do with it or it's a hell of a thing killing a man.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:15:22
  2. pick I've killed women and children... and I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you did to Ned
    “I really like I've killed women and children and I feel just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another, and I'm here to kill you, little Bill, for what you did to Ned.”
    unknown · 1:15:45

Best quoted exchange · Best exchange of dialogue.

  1. winner Ned asking Will if he just uses his hand as Ned and Will
    “So you just use your hand?”
    unknown · 1:16:16
  2. nominee Little Bill yelling 'billiards' after the Kid and Ned slip out the back
    “And he goes, billiards.”
    unknown · 1:16:40
  3. nominee Little Bill yelling at his men to take Davey some water
    “Oh, and he's like, you guys can take him some water.”
    unknown · 1:16:54

Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award · The hosts' hottest takes on the movie.

  1. pick Defending Little Bill's no-guns philosophy for the town
    “For the most part, I didn't mind Little Bill's philosophy is to share for the town.”
    unknown · 1:17:10
  2. pick A Little Bill story where a crazy gunman shows up halfway through, Cobra Kai flipped
    “there's a version of this movie that's the little Bill story, and then at the halfway through the movie, this fucking crazy guy shows up”
    unknown · 1:18:20
  3. pick This is the Clint movie he deserved the directing Oscar for
    “this actually is the one that he deserved best director for”
    unknown · 1:18:54

Casting what-ifs · Almost-castings and recasts.

  1. pick John Malkovich as William Munny: Coppola had the script in the early 1980s and met with Malkovich.
    “Coppola had the script in the early 80s for a little bit and met with Malkovich about William Money.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:20:30
  2. pick Jeremy Irons as English Bob: He doubts it, since Clint likely just called Richard Harris.
    “There was some Jeremy Iron stuff for English Bob”
    Bill Simmons · 1:20:36
  3. pick River Phoenix as The Schofield Kid: Offered with Joaquin Phoenix and Leo (DiCaprio) as recasts for the Kid.
    “We mentioned River Phoenix, Joaquin Phoenix, and Leo, were my 3 for Schofield Kid, right around the time.”
    unknown · 1:23:19
  4. nominee Keanu Reeves as The Schofield Kid: Offered as a worst-case recast.
    “I think a worst case scenario would have been Keanu Reeves, as much as we love Keanu.”
    unknown · 1:23:27
  5. nominee Mark Wahlberg as The Schofield Kid: Coming off the Good Vibrations video, maybe two years early but with the right energy.
    “Mark Wahlberg is not a bad call at all.”
    unknown · 1:24:10

Best That Guy · Best supporting 'that guy' or 'that gal' in the movie.

  1. winner Anna Thomson as Delilah: Ninety-nineties run of Unforgiven, True Romance, The Crow, Bad Boys.
    “The best that guy award goes to Anna Thompson.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:22:31
  2. nominee The actor who plays Skinny as Skinny Dubois: Nobody knew his name; he plays Skinny for 25 years.
    “the guy who plays skinny basically plays skinny for like 25 years.”
    unknown · 1:22:57

Dion Waiters Award · Small role, big impact.

  1. winner Richard Harris as English Bob: Great in only a few scenes.
    “DN Waders Award, Richard Harris?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:23:11

Apex Mountain · Where a star's career or a genre peaked.

  1. pick Unforgiven as Apex for post-prime Clint Eastwood: Better than Million Dollar Baby; Unforgiven, In the Line of Fire and A Perfect World all within 13 months.
    “It's a better movie than Million Dollar Baby.”
    unknown · 1:25:36
  2. pick Unforgiven as Apex for post-prime Gene Hackman (Crimson Tide the alternative)
    “I think it's probably this for post-prime apex because then it sets out the next 7 years of Hackman just crushing it.”
    unknown · 1:27:15
  3. pick The Shawshank Redemption as Apex for Morgan Freeman
    “Yeah, it's not even close.”
    unknown · 1:27:24
  4. pick True Romance as Apex for Saul Rubinek (same year)
    “Let's get this in true romance same year.”
    unknown · 1:27:28
  5. pick Westerns peaked in the mid-60s with the great directors working at once: Searchers, High Noon, Liberty Valance, Rio Bravo and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly named; the speaker says he is no Western historian.
    “Somewhere in the mid 60s, right?”
    unknown · 1:28:36

Hall of Fame · Whether this is the film for the actor's Hall of Fame plaque.

  1. pick Unforgiven as Clint Eastwood's plaque: Dirty Harry named as the other version of Clint they could choose.
    “It's either Dirty Harry or this, depending on which version of Clint, you love.”
    unknown · 1:30:44

Best racehorse name · Best racehorse name drawn from the movie.

  1. pick English Bob
    “English Bob's good.”
    unknown · 1:30:52
  2. pick Whore's Gold
    “Here comes whores gold.”
    unknown · 1:30:56
  3. pick Duke of Death
    “I mean, the Schofield kid is Duke of Death?”
    unknown · 1:30:59

Picking Nits · Nitpicks about a movie they love.

  1. pick Delilah's face isn't disfigured enough as Delilah
    “I didn't feel like Delilah's face was kind of hideously disfigured enough.”
    unknown · 1:31:21
  2. pick How Will became a good guy after killing women and children as William Munny: Someone suggests it is largely about not drinking.
    “How did Will just become a good guy?”
    unknown · 1:32:14
  3. pick Will leaving his kids alone for weeks
    “I talked about we talked about him leaving the kids.”
    unknown · 1:33:38

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV · The sequel, prequel or TV show they would make.

  1. pick A prequel called The Will Munny Killings: Munny ripping through the Midwest, rolling through Kansas.
    “To me, that movie is called the Will Money Killings.”
    unknown · 1:34:02
  2. pick A documentary, The Last Dance of Will Munny, in ten parts
    “The last dance, Will Money.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:34:16

Is this movie better with… · Running bit asking whether the movie improves with Wayne Jenkins in the cast.

  1. winner Wayne Jenkins as as Little Bill Daggett: Answer is always Wayne Jenkins; a long list of other actors was read first.
    “What if Wayne Jenkins had been Little Bill Daggett?”
    unknown · 1:35:21

Unanswerable questions · Open questions about the film and its stars.

  1. pick Popeye Doyle (The French Connection) as Gene Hackman's greatest role
    “I think Popeye from French Connection is probably his.”
    unknown · 1:36:03
  2. pick The Crimson Tide captain as Gene Hackman's greatest role
    “I'm going with Crimson Tide guy.”
    unknown · 1:36:19

Zihuatanejo Award (what happened the next day) · What happened the next day.

  1. pick Big Whiskey day two, with Frances Fisher as sheriff and Strawberry Alice running things
    “Like, what happens? Like, when it's, like, Francis Fisher is the sheriff.”
    unknown · 1:38:33
  2. pick William Munny's in-laws arriving to an empty house
    “when William Money's in-laws show up and like the end card is like, and then they came and there was nothing there.”
    unknown · 1:38:44
  3. pick Munny in San Francisco buying early Google and Amazon stock
    “I like William Money getting to San Francisco getting in early on Google, you know, getting some Amazon stock.”
    unknown · 1:39:08

Memorabilia · A prop from the movie they would own.

  1. pick The Duke of Death book
    “I probably go with Duke of Death, the book.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:39:49
  2. pick Ned's Spencer rifle, the second one used in the killing scene
    “Yeah, I wanted the rifle.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:39:59

Coach Finstock Award · Best life lesson from the movie.

  1. winner Don't fuck with murderers
    “Um, Don't fuck with murderers, I think.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:40:16
  2. nominee Deserve's got nothing to do with it; bad things just happen
    “Bad shit just happens.”
    unknown · 1:40:36

Who won the movie · Who came out ahead in the movie.

  1. winner Clint Eastwood: Wins on the strength of the Oscars and the cementing of his legacy.
    “But Clint wins because of the Oscars, the cementing, the...”
    unknown · 1:40:47
  2. winner Gene Hackman: This time around, for one host.
    “This time around it was Hackman for me.”
    unknown · 1:40:45

Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

The Rewatchables

Came from

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Led to

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Connected to

A Bronx Tale: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (awards counterfactual): A Bronx Tale → Unforgiven. Palminteri could have snuck into the 1992 Best Supporting Actor field that Hackman won for Unforgiven.
    “So you could argue Chaz could have snuck in there.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 1:37:14 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

In the Line of Fire: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career timing): In the Line of Fire → Unforgiven. Released the year after Unforgiven, with Eastwood in the same vibe of asking whether to hang it up.
    “In the line of fire is the same vibe of like Clint being like, should I hang it up?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri · 0:03:07 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Morgan Freeman: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Morgan Freeman → Unforgiven. Freeman's 1992 to 1995 run of Unforgiven, Outbreak, Shawshank, Se7en is a strong quartet with Outbreak the weak link.
    “Outbreak is obviously the week, the weak link, but the other 3 are Hall of Famers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:31:21 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

Skyfall: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Skyfall → Unforgiven. Skyfall is a reckoning with everything that came before in its franchise.
    “Skyfall is like the unfor is unforgiven to me.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:15:34 · Chris Ryan (0.55 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career timing): In the Line of Fire → Unforgiven. Released the year after Unforgiven, with Eastwood in the same vibe of asking whether to hang it up.
    “In the line of fire is the same vibe of like Clint being like, should I hang it up?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri · 0:03:07 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Morgan Freeman → Unforgiven. Freeman's 1992 to 1995 run of Unforgiven, Outbreak, Shawshank, Se7en is a strong quartet with Outbreak the weak link.
    “Outbreak is obviously the week, the weak link, but the other 3 are Hall of Famers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:31:21 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (awards counterfactual): A Bronx Tale → Unforgiven. Palminteri could have snuck into the 1992 Best Supporting Actor field that Hackman won for Unforgiven.
    “So you could argue Chaz could have snuck in there.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 1:37:14 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (theme): Skyfall → Unforgiven. Skyfall is a reckoning with everything that came before in its franchise.
    “Skyfall is like the unfor is unforgiven to me.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:15:34 · Chris Ryan (0.55 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

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