Flesh and Blood (1985)

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Wikidata Q1428124, film, IMDb tt0089153, TMDB 12775: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title.

Also said as Flesh+Blood (1985): the same Wikidata item, so listed here.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #701, Flesh and Blood (1985).

Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

No line says it drew on another film or person.

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

RoboCop: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. career (career): Flesh and Blood ⇒ RoboCop (the host's read). Flesh+Blood is the failure that led Verhoeven to Hollywood and RoboCop, where he built entertainment around his interests.
    “from this film on, he figures out how to take everything he's interested in and put it into the body of a conventionally entertaining Hollywood movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:49:14 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Paul Verhoeven: 2 lines verdict ×1 career ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Flesh and Blood → Paul Verhoeven. Verhoeven himself called it a failure and a lesson never to compromise the main storyline.
    “the failure of flesh and bud was a lesson to me, never compromised the main storyline of a script.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:30:18 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 2 lines contrast ×1 career ×1

  1. career (career): Flesh and Blood → RoboCop. Flesh+Blood is the failure that led Verhoeven to Hollywood and RoboCop, where he built entertainment around his interests.
    “from this film on, he figures out how to take everything he's interested in and put it into the body of a conventionally entertaining Hollywood movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:49:14 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

A Bug's Life: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → A Bug's Life. Steven's crazy siege inventions are compared to Flick's.
    “He's like flick from a bug's life where he's coming up with these crazy inventions”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:13:10 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Back to the Future: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Flesh and Blood → Back to the Future. Flesh+Blood opened Labor Day weekend 1985 when Back to the Future was number one.
    “Back to the future?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:25:59 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Excalibur: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Excalibur. The siege-tower set piece is presented like a grand medieval epic.
    “Is it's presenting it to you like you're watching.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:13:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Hieronymus Bosch: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Hieronymus Bosch. The film's opening is said to look like a Bosch painting.
    “Like, now we're in a bosh painting.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:44:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Lincoln: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Lincoln. Flesh+Blood's opening is a swooping tracking shot, unlike Lincoln's quick-cut mud-fight opening.
    “you compare this to the opening of Lincoln, which is like, here are these men in the mud and you see them stomping each other”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:45:11 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Monty Python and the Holy Grail: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The film's muddy, grimy medieval look is likened to Holy Grail.
    “The movie that this is aesthetically most similar to weirdly is Monty Python, the Holy Grail.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:44:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Orion Pictures: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → Orion Pictures. Orion financed most of the film and demanded a female character, cutting the rape scene; it kept Verhoeven afterward for RoboCop.
    “Orion demanded there'd be a female character”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:28:36 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Piranha II: The Spawning: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → Piranha II: The Spawning. Verhoeven's 80s patchwork-financed film is seen as like a director testing before gaining control in Hollywood.
    “I wasn't sure if this was going to feel like a piranha 2 where it's like a guy testing it out before he figures out how to gain control in Hollywood.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:30:37 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. The heroic uplifting score sounds like a Robin Hood epic, then cuts straight to depravity.
    “the score sounds like it could fit on fucking Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:43:45 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Sixteen Candles: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Sixteen Candles → Flesh and Blood. Sixteen Candles is as gross as Flesh+Blood but thinks it's a whimsical teen comedy.
    “that movie doesn't think it's a whimsical comedy for teenagers.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:34:00 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Strange Days: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → Strange Days. Like Strange Days, the film treats sexual assault as psychological aftermath rather than a plot device.
    “In the Strange Days episode, we talked about the sexual assault scene in that movie, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:05:02 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Straw Dogs: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Straw Dogs. Unlike Straw Dogs, the assault scene implies the woman is taking power, not enjoying it.
    “Something like Straw Dogs, where you're seeing an assault, and then he is sort of inferring that she's enjoying it, is very different than something like this”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:04:11 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Lost World: Jurassic Park: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → The Lost World: Jurassic Park. Flesh+Blood is a tweener or bridge between two phases of the director's career, as Lost World was for Spielberg.
    “It's sort of a tweener.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:08:18 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Loveless: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → The Loveless. Both take a romanticized genre and show how gross it really was.
    “Which is where I think this movie shares a similarity with the Loveless.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:27:54 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Speaker says the movie is like Texas Chainsaw in having no one to root for, though someone corrects that you root for someone there.
    “it's like the fucking Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:49:45 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Willow: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Flesh and Blood → Willow. The painted poster looks like fantasy-adventure posters of the era.
    “it has this poster that looks like, you know, the poster for Willow or Legend”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:43:23 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career): Flesh and Blood → Paul Verhoeven. Flesh+Blood is called the Rosetta Stone for his career.
    “it's kind of the Rosetta Stone for one man's career.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:37:17 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Flesh and Blood → RoboCop. Flesh+Blood is the failure that led Verhoeven to Hollywood and RoboCop, where he built entertainment around his interests.
    “from this film on, he figures out how to take everything he's interested in and put it into the body of a conventionally entertaining Hollywood movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:49:14 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (6)

  1. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → RoboCop. Unlike Flesh+Blood, RoboCop, Total Recall and Basic Instinct have an arc and some resolution.
    “Whereas in Robocop, in total recall, in basic instinct, even, like, right, he's, you know, these are movies with more of an arc for a character.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:19:12 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. The heroic uplifting score sounds like a Robin Hood epic, then cuts straight to depravity.
    “the score sounds like it could fit on fucking Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:43:45 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Lincoln. Flesh+Blood's opening is a swooping tracking shot, unlike Lincoln's quick-cut mud-fight opening.
    “you compare this to the opening of Lincoln, which is like, here are these men in the mud and you see them stomping each other”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:45:11 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Speaker says the movie is like Texas Chainsaw in having no one to root for, though someone corrects that you root for someone there.
    “it's like the fucking Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:49:45 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Flesh and Blood → Straw Dogs. Unlike Straw Dogs, the assault scene implies the woman is taking power, not enjoying it.
    “Something like Straw Dogs, where you're seeing an assault, and then he is sort of inferring that she's enjoying it, is very different than something like this”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:04:11 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Sixteen Candles → Flesh and Blood. Sixteen Candles is as gross as Flesh+Blood but thinks it's a whimsical teen comedy.
    “that movie doesn't think it's a whimsical comedy for teenagers.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:34:00 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (3)

  1. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Hieronymus Bosch. The film's opening is said to look like a Bosch painting.
    “Like, now we're in a bosh painting.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:44:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The film's muddy, grimy medieval look is likened to Holy Grail.
    “The movie that this is aesthetically most similar to weirdly is Monty Python, the Holy Grail.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:44:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Flesh and Blood → Excalibur. The siege-tower set piece is presented like a grand medieval epic.
    “Is it's presenting it to you like you're watching.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:13:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (3)

  1. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → The Lost World: Jurassic Park. Flesh+Blood is a tweener or bridge between two phases of the director's career, as Lost World was for Spielberg.
    “It's sort of a tweener.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:08:18 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → Orion Pictures. Orion financed most of the film and demanded a female character, cutting the rape scene; it kept Verhoeven afterward for RoboCop.
    “Orion demanded there'd be a female character”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:28:36 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Flesh and Blood → Piranha II: The Spawning. Verhoeven's 80s patchwork-financed film is seen as like a director testing before gaining control in Hollywood.
    “I wasn't sure if this was going to feel like a piranha 2 where it's like a guy testing it out before he figures out how to gain control in Hollywood.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:30:37 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (lineage): Flesh and Blood → Willow. The painted poster looks like fantasy-adventure posters of the era.
    “it has this poster that looks like, you know, the poster for Willow or Legend”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:43:23 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (programming): Flesh and Blood → Back to the Future. Flesh+Blood opened Labor Day weekend 1985 when Back to the Future was number one.
    “Back to the future?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:25:59 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (3)

  1. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → The Loveless. Both take a romanticized genre and show how gross it really was.
    “Which is where I think this movie shares a similarity with the Loveless.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:27:54 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → Strange Days. Like Strange Days, the film treats sexual assault as psychological aftermath rather than a plot device.
    “In the Strange Days episode, we talked about the sexual assault scene in that movie, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:05:02 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Flesh and Blood → A Bug's Life. Steven's crazy siege inventions are compared to Flick's.
    “He's like flick from a bug's life where he's coming up with these crazy inventions”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:13:10 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Flesh and Blood → Paul Verhoeven. Verhoeven himself called it a failure and a lesson never to compromise the main storyline.
    “the failure of flesh and bud was a lesson to me, never compromised the main storyline of a script.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:30:18 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Flesh and Blood: Verhoeven wanted the film to stink; Hauer wanted to be a hero; Orion demanded a female lead.
    “He wanted to make a movie that was, quote, stinking.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:31:03 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Flesh and Blood: Movie wasn't released wide and went quickly to HBO, where it became cult.
    “It became like a somewhat well-known cult movie.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:43:09 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Flesh and Blood: The opening is the maximalist first 20 seconds: a tracking shot of mercenaries and a nine-months pregnant beer server.
    “It's the most maximalist 1st 20 seconds of a film I have ever seen.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:45:02 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Flesh and Blood: The handmaiden is Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, who does a Bartman bit in the field.
    “One of her rare live action film roles.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 0:58:40 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Flesh and Blood: Jennifer Jason Leigh was upset Orion cut the rape scene; she argued cutting was more offensive.
    “it is more offensive to cut that scene down than to fully engage with that scene”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:02:41 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Flesh and Blood: The film sets a dog-meat plague scene and a flaming halo shot.
    “I mean, there's also that incredible shot of later in the movie where he's got the burning wheel behind his head.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:08:41 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Flesh and Blood: Ben was angry at the movie; Griffin calls it the worst since the Phantom Menace episode.
    “This is this is the worst since the ninth episode about the Phantom Menace.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:11:14 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Flesh and Blood: Steve Martin joke: Martin and Steven fight over a woman neither cares about.
    “Oh yeah, this movie's about Steve Martin.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Flesh+Blood · 1:21:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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