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  1. lineage (lineage): Send Help → Working Girl. The office-revenge opening resembles Working Girl.
    “it starts out as kind of swimming with sharks meets working girl.”
    The Big Picture · The 10 Most Misused Stars in Hollywood and the Gnarly Magic of ‘Send Help’ · 0:48:43 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Working Girl: After Van gives his top five, a host complains Working Girl is missing and calls it an all-time spiritual favorite for both hosts, then riffs on Alec Baldwin popping in and out.
    “It's been, we've talked about this before.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:09:35 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Working Girl → Rain Man. The easy-listening do-over: Working Girl deserved Best Picture over Rain Man.
    “I would have picked working girl over Red Man.”
    The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:43:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.75 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Working Girl: Amanda's easy-listening Oscar do-over is Working Girl over Rain Man, and she rallies Justice for Working Girl.
    “I'm going for easy listening over here and I would have picked working girl over Red Man.”
    The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:43:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Rain Man → Working Girl. Rain Man made around $300 million and was the year's biggest film in a very different era of moviegoing.
    “That movie made like $300 million, and that was a totally different time in movies when Rainman could be the number one box office hit.”
    The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:43:35 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Working Girl: Griffith is billed third behind Weaver and Ford even though it is her movie, which mirrors the story.
    “Griffith Billing is 3rd behind Sigourney Weaver, the boss, and then Harrison Ford.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:06:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): Working Girl → Younger. The pretending-to-be-someone-else-at-work premise is like the TV show Younger.
    “Oh, well, that's like the TV show Younger, essentially.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:08:19 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (lineage): Working Girl → Pretty Woman. Pretty Woman borrows openly from Working Girl's Cinderella story.
    “It openly steal shit from this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:08:48 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. theme (theme): Working Girl → Baby Boom. One of the late-80s female-empowerment workplace comedies the 1980s produced alongside Working Girl.
    “the female empowerment workplace comedy stuff that is like, for the 80s, because you have baby boom here, too.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:08:50 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  10. theme (theme): Working Girl → Broadcast News. Grouped with Working Girl as part of the era of the professional woman on screen.
    “broadcast news in like a slightly different way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:08:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → Fatal Attraction. Fatal Attraction is the reverse: the professional woman pays for it with the home she lacks.
    “Fatal attraction is also like the reverse of it, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:09:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. theme (theme): Working Girl → Nine to Five. One of the few 80s movies with the same workplace-sexism theme.
    “Nine to five.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:11:19 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  13. lineage (lineage): Working Girl → The Devil Wears Prada. Working Girl sprinkled its DNA over later beloved movies, Pretty Woman and Devil Wears Prada chief among them.
    “And it's just sprinkling DNA over all these beloved movies over the next 40 years, but those were Pretty Woman and Devil wears Prada were the 2 that I was like, oh, yeah.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:13:35 · Joanna Robinson (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. what-if (what-if): Kathleen Turner → Working Girl. Putting Kathleen Turner in the Katharine Parker role in the mid-80s.
    “Like if you put Kathleen Turner in this role in the mid 80s.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:26:12 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. craft (craft): Mike Nichols → Working Girl. Theater background makes him good at believable people talking.
    “because he has so much theater work, he's just, he's like really good at people talking and characters and people being believable”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:38:47 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. craft (craft): Mike Nichols → Working Girl. His movies are about ordinary people trying to get something in life, people you recognize.
    “Mike Nichols types of movies where people are just trying to get something in life and being people and they are people that you recognize.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:39:06 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. theme (theme): Mike Nichols → Working Girl. Tess the outsider reaching for the finer things relates to Nichols, a German immigrant.
    “the biography pointed out like, the test character is relates to him.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:40:10 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  18. craft (craft): Carly Simon → Working Girl. Carly Simon first wrote several songs that narrated the plot, which were cut in favor of 'Let the River Run'.
    “originally she wrote a bunch of songs for this movie and they were all very explicitly telling you what was happening in the plot.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:44:54 · Joanna Robinson (0.40 sure it was them)
  19. verdict (verdict): Working Girl → Rain Man. The speakers would give Best Picture to Working Girl over Rain Man.
    “but I would give it to working girl over Rain Man.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:45:13 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  20. verdict (verdict): Working Girl → Dangerous Liaisons. One speaker would give Best Picture to Dangerous Liaisons; Glenn Close is incredible in it.
    “Glenn Close is in there for dangerous liasets, which is a fucking incredible performance.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:46:06 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  21. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → Die Hard. Die Hard would not be nominated the way Working Girl was with six Oscar nominations.
    “Die Hard's not going to get nominated for something, but working girl is such an improbable.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:48:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  22. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → Working Girl. Ebert gave Working Girl four stars and praised its clockwork craftsmanship.
    “The plot of working girl is put together like clockwork, carries you along while you're watching it, but reconstruct it later and you'll see the craftsmanship.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:50:16 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  23. craft (craft): Anne Roth → Working Girl. Roth said she cheated with Tess's dress because it would be too short for Weaver.
    “I cheated with that dress.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:55:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  24. fun, about Working Girl: Final rewatchable pick: the end scene with the new assistant, 'I don't expect you to fetch me coffee.'
    “I don't expect you to fetch me coffee unless you're getting some for yourself.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:59:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  25. fun, about Working Girl: Rewatchables category 'most 1988 thing': hair, eyeshadow, shoulder pads through the blouse, the Twin Towers, Lark cigarettes, Catherine's wooden exercise bike.
    “But my number one other than the hair is Catherine's exercise bike.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:04:15 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  26. craft (craft): Carly Simon → Working Girl. Simon's 'Let the River Run' and the score give the film a church-like rom-com gospel feel, best in the chandelier scene.
    “it's just like the organ, like you're in a church, but it's let the river run”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:06:36 · Joanna Robinson (0.40 sure it was them)
  27. fun, about Working Girl: Tequila gold as the dangerous 80s order; the table jokes tequila was basically cocaine back then.
    “In the 80s, people were afraid of tequila.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:08:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  28. craft (craft): Anne Roth → Working Girl. Anne Roth's costumes make the characters: Tess's makeover communicates who she is trying to be, and Weaver's closet is spot on.
    “once Tess has her makeover, it's like really communicating something, both like very 80s, but very different about who that character is or who that character is trying to be.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:09:29 · Amanda Dobbins (0.35 sure it was them)
  29. theme (theme): Working Girl → The Princess Diaries. The hot mess, stealth-smart, underestimated heroine archetype recurs in Princess Diaries and Prada.
    “Princess Diaries.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:10:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  30. programming (programming): Working Girl → Working Girl (1990 NBC series). Working Girl became a 1990 NBC series, with Sandra Bullock as Tess.
    “Working Girl became an NBC series in 1990”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:11:10 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  31. career (career): Sandra Bullock → Working Girl. Bullock played Tess in 12 episodes of the NBC series.
    “12 episodes of working girl.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:12:35 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  32. lineage (lineage): Working Girl → An Officer and a Gentleman. The kiss-and-secretaries-cheer moment is an Officer and a Gentleman homage.
    “And then I had the officer and a gentleman homage when they're kissing and one of the secretaries says, way to go.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:13:08 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  33. fun, about Working Girl: Opening cut used the Eagles' Witchy Woman; Carly Simon objected, and Nichols promised to use hers at the end.
    “That absolutely ruins the movie if it's Witchy Woman.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:15:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  34. fun, about Working Girl: Best real estate: Catherine Parker's corner office with harbor and Statue of Liberty view; Amanda's award.
    “Catherine Parker's office with that with the view.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:16:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  35. fun, about Working Girl: Weak link of the film: Doreen DiMucci's fake crying when caught with Baldwin.
    “But, like, her fake crying as she is... Alec Baldwin?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:19:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  36. theme (theme): Working Girl → Die Hard. Another absurd-premise movie that works; used to defend Working Girl's far-fetched merger plot.
    “So is Die Hard.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:20:17 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  37. theme (theme): Working Girl → Pretty Woman. Both have absurd premises that work because the human emotion works.
    “Pretty woman's absurd.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:21:02 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  38. fun, about Working Girl: The hot dog crumb on Jack's mouth that Tess does not wipe off: a nice touch showing they are not there yet.
    “you can't let her guard down yet.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:24:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  39. verdict (verdict): Working Girl → Rain Man. Joanna's hot take: Working Girl should have won Best Picture over Rain Man.
    “I had this should have won best picture of Rayman.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:27:23 · Joanna Robinson (0.70 sure it was them)
  40. craft (music): Working Girl → Beverly Hills Cop. 'I'm So Excited' is in Working Girl and Beverly Hills Cop: a ten-year pop-culture run.
    “It's in Beverly Hills Cop.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:27:52 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  41. what-if (what-if): Shelley Long → Working Girl. Scott Rudin, running Fox, pushed for Shelley Long, who was hot from Cheers.
    “Scott Ruden was running Fox, which I don't think I knew and was really pushing for Shelley Long, who was red hot on shares.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:30:23 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  42. what-if (what-if): Lorraine Bracco → Working Girl. Bracco wrote in her memoir that she nailed the audition; she was in Someone to Watch Over Me then.
    “Lorraine Brocco wrote in her memoir that she thought she nailed the edition and didn't get it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:30:31 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  43. what-if (what-if): Whoopi Goldberg → Working Girl. Nichols considered Whoopi Goldberg because he had done her stand-up show.
    “would be Goldberg, was the one they were considering because Nichols did her, like, stand-up, uh, show”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:32:11 · Joanna Robinson (0.60 sure it was them)
  44. what-if (what-if): Meg Ryan → Working Girl. Ryan might not have managed the accent, the baggage, or the sex appeal.
    “I don't know if she could have pulled off the accent and the baggage part.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:32:40 · Joanna Robinson (0.60 sure it was them)
  45. what-if (what-if): Cher → Working Girl. Cher was too famous to buy as Tess.
    “I just wouldn't buy her as tests.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:33:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  46. what-if (what-if): Marisa Tomei → Working Girl. Doreen DiMucci could have been a young Marisa Tomei instead of an unknown.
    “Could we have gotten, could we have snuck, uh, like a young Marissa Tome in that part or could we have like an actual famous actress?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:35:23 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  47. fun, about Working Girl: George H. W. Bush screened it in the White House his first week and warned guests it had dirty parts.
    “he had heard that the film about a Wall Street Cinderella had some quote, dirty parts”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:36:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  48. fun, about Working Girl: Apex Mountain: the Staten Island Ferry, never better, per Amanda.
    “It is, it is totally the Apex Mountain for Christmas. 100%.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:40:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  49. what-if (what-if): Tom Hanks → Working Girl. For Jack Trainor it has to be Hanks; Cruise was too powerful in the 80s.
    “The height thing that you mentioned earlier, but cruise is just too powerful in 80s.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:43:37 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  50. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → The Wolf of Wall Street. Wall Street/Wolf of Wall Street was done by the show and is a very different movie.
    “It's a very different movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:43:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  51. what-if (what-if): Philip Seymour Hoffman → Working Girl. Hoffman would have played the Spacey part, or Oliver Platt's.
    “What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played probably Spacey.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:44:05 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  52. fun, about Working Girl: The Chick-fil-A party platter is Amanda's signature party move; pigs in a blanket are undefeated.
    “pigs in blanket.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:56:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  53. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → Presumed Innocent. Harrison Ford rarely does sex scenes; Presumed Innocent is the only time he really does.
    “Just presumed innocent.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:57:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  54. fun, about Working Girl: Is Tess the villain? Bill argues she stole Catherine's idea, boyfriend and job; the rest of the table disagrees.
    “Are we sure Tess isn't the villain of this movie?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:59:14 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  55. theme (theme): Working Girl → The Karate Kid. Flipping the villain's perspective as with Cobra Kai: Catherine as a victim of her assistant.
    “Karate Kid, when they made the Cobra Kai, and they were like, we're flipping this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:01:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  56. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → The Devil Wears Prada. Prada knows its heroine becomes a bad person; Working Girl is not written that way.
    “But I but the movie knows that and is written that way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:02:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  57. fun, about Working Girl: Memorabilia: Catherine's gorilla, the dress, the tall luau glasses.
    “What about the gorilla?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:03:46 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  58. fun, about Working Girl: Best life lesson: you don't get anywhere by waiting; also 'check the milligrams' for Valium after the 4 tequilas.
    “You don't get anywhere in this world by waiting for what you want to come to.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:04:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  59. programming (programming): Working Girl → Morning Glory. Morning Glory is a triple-feature pick; Rachel McAdams as the working girl with Harrison Ford.
    “Rachel McAdams working girl.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:04:54 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  60. programming (programming): Working Girl → Pretty Woman. Pairing Working Girl and Pretty Woman as a Cinderella double feature to see what Pretty Woman took.
    “It double Cinderella and then you're watching Purdue Woman seeing all the things they took.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:05:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  61. programming (programming): Working Girl → Witness. Witness is the double feature for double Harrison Ford.
    “There's also Witness as just double hot Harrison Ford.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:05:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  62. programming (programming): Working Girl → The Devil Wears Prada. Pairing Prada is suggested as a 1988-2006 double feature.
    “Well, I think that there's a Devil Wears Prada cases.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:05:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  63. programming (programming): Working Girl → Baby Boom. Baby Boom is the top double-feature pick because it is less seen.
    “I think my number one would be Baby Boom because it's not as seen.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:05:30 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  64. contrast (contrast): Working Girl → Anyone but You. Old rom-coms like Working Girl are edgier; Anyone but You has a glossy safeness.
    “And these have, no one's really bland.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:07:20 · Craig Horlbeck (0.70 sure it was them)
  65. lineage (lineage): Working Girl → You've Got Mail. You've Got Mail is a remake of an old story, showing remakes can work.
    “that's a story that had already been made like 3 other times before it was made for the AOL era.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:11:42 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  66. theme (theme): Working Girl → Picture Perfect. Another rom-com where somebody is pretending.
    “That's another one where somebody's pretending.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:15:22 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)