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  1. contrast (contrast): The Social Network → Zodiac. Social Network was one host's top Fincher film; the Fincher podcast chose Zodiac as the purest Fincher.
    “Zodiac is like the Fincheryist.”
    The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:13:11 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. career (career-pattern): Kiss Kiss Bang Bang → Zodiac. Roles like Good Night and Good Luck, A Scanner Darkly and Zodiac cast Downey as weathered men clinging on.
    “these roles of slightly weathered guys who, like, are kind of clinging on a little bit, you know, like rather than sort of breezing through things.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:20:21 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (tonal midpoint): Zodiac → The Killer. The Killer sits between Zodiac (serious) and Panic Room (pulpy).
    “this is in this midpoint between like zodiac and panic room, let's say, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 1:44:14 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (Fincher's peak run): Zodiac → Gone Girl. The speaker calls Fincher's run from Zodiac to Gone Girl the peak of his career.
    “Yeah, I guess his run from zodiac to gone girl. I do think is the peak of his career.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Social Network (Ad-Free) · 0:06:46 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (obsessive detail): The Social Network → Zodiac. Fincher's Bex for the beer in The Social Network is linked to his stickler's hunt for the pen Graysmith would have used in Zodiac.
    “I remember reading some piece about zodiac when it came out and they talked about him being a stickler about like, what is the actual pen that Robert Graysmith would have used at his desk.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Social Network (Ad-Free) · 0:49:46 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (trailer vibe): The Social Network → Zodiac. A friend heard the trailer and the speaker said it looked like Breakfast Club meets Zodiac, which was Fincher's fingerprint.
    “and saying like, it looks like Breakfast Club meets Zodiac.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Social Network (Ad-Free) · 1:06:23 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. theme (personal canon): Zodiac → The Shining. Both are on Leslye's four-film Mount Rushmore.
    “It's Zodiac, the Shining, back to the future, the apartment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:04:09 · Leslye Headland (0.90 sure it was them)
  8. theme (personal canon): Zodiac → Back to the Future. Both are on Leslye's four-film Mount Rushmore.
    “It's Zodiac, the Shining, back to the future, the apartment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:04:09 · Leslye Headland (0.90 sure it was them)
  9. theme (personal canon): Zodiac → The Apartment. Both are on Leslye's four-film Mount Rushmore.
    “It's Zodiac, the Shining, back to the future, the apartment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:04:09 · Leslye Headland (0.90 sure it was them)
  10. verdict (ranking): The Social Network → Zodiac. One speaker says Social Network is not even in the same conversation as Zodiac.
    “It's not even in the same conversation”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:08:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. industry (Oscar-season comparison): Zodiac → Norbit. Zodiac got zero Oscar nominations while Norbit got one.
    “Norbit one Oscar Nam Zodiac Zero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:15:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Zodiac: The era's meme: Norbit got one Oscar nomination (makeup), Zodiac got none.
    “Norbit one Oscar Nam Zodiac Zero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:15:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  13. craft (same-year mood): Zodiac → There Will Be Blood. Zodiac, There Will Be Blood and No Country shared a nihilistic mood in 2007.
    “There's something in the air that year.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:17:09 · Leslye Headland (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. craft (same-year mood): Zodiac → No Country for Old Men. Zodiac, There Will Be Blood and No Country shared a nihilistic mood in 2007.
    “But even like just these nihilistic endings where you're like, you know, there's just there's no hope.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:17:16 · Leslye Headland (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. industry (awards slot): Zodiac → The Assassination of Jesse James. Jesse James came out later and took the slot critics were fighting to nudge Zodiac into.
    “takes the zodiac spot of the one the critics are fighting to nudge in”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:18:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Zodiac: Zodiac was released at Cannes two months after it bombed, to Fincher's confusion.
    “They put it at Cann, 2 months as Griffin is saying, after it had bombed, even to Fincher's confusion.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:18:38 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  17. industry (release window): Zodiac → 300. 300 opened a week after Zodiac and made March a legitimate release month.
    “This is like a week after this movie comes out, March becomes a legitimate time to release a movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:21:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  18. unmapped (live-in movie): Barry Lyndon → Zodiac. Leslye compares Zodiac, a movie she can live inside, to Barry Lyndon.
    “It's like it's like Barry Linden for me.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:29:06 · Leslye Headland (0.85 sure it was them)
  19. craft (labyrinthian structure): The Shining → Zodiac. Zodiac's episodic, not-three-act feel is likened to The Shining's labyrinth.
    “it's not a slave to the 3 act structure, it's interstitial, it's got this sort of episodic feel to it and not unlike the shining.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:32:02 · Leslye Headland (0.80 sure it was them)
  20. unmapped (praise): Steven Soderbergh → Zodiac. Soderbergh gave a scene-by-scene lecture on Zodiac and called its visual storytelling next level visual math.
    “And the term I heard he used all the time was just next level visual math.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:34:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  21. craft (script structure): L.A. Confidential → Zodiac. The script reminds Leslye of L.A. Confidential: methodical, restarts mid-film, scenes handing off to the next.
    “It's absolutely, like, the script reminds me so much of LA confidential.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:49:11 · Leslye Headland (0.80 sure it was them)
  22. lineage (structure / influence): L.A. Confidential → Zodiac. Leslye says Zodiac feels like it follows in the footsteps of L.A. Confidential.
    “zodiac feels like it follows in the footsteps of that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:50:16 · Leslye Headland (0.80 sure it was them)
  23. lineage (adaptation): Robert Graysmith → Zodiac. The Salerno script, which Vanderbilt took over, adapted Graysmith's nonfiction book (with a speculative sequel bolted on).
    “So it's sort of like an adaptation of Graysmith's nonfiction book and a speculative sequence.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:50:39 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  24. unmapped (why Fincher was offered it): Seven → Zodiac. Seven made Fincher the first choice for any serial-killer project, Zodiac included.
    “Ever since he makes seven, if there's some serial killer movie, is getting sent it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:51:53 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  25. fun, about Zodiac: Graysmith claimed the killer could mount a flashlight on his gun; Fincher went to a flashlight museum, learned no 1969 bulb could do it, and so the film shows no such beam.
    “And Fincher went to a flashlight museum.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:53:34 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  26. unmapped (tonal joke): Zodiac → Charlie's Angels. Fincher thought the long phone-warrant scene was funny, like Charlie's Angels.
    “because it was kind of like Charlie's Angels”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:55:23 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  27. unmapped (trio of leads): L.A. Confidential → Zodiac. The film passes the baton among three men, which is why it is like L.A. Confidential.
    “This is why it's like LA Confidential, though.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:55:58 · Leslye Headland (0.50 sure it was them)
  28. theme (character parallel): L.A. Confidential → Zodiac. The vanishing Avery is likened to the Kevin Spacey character in L.A. Confidential.
    “Like, like the Kevin Spacey character.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:56:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  29. unmapped (overlapping shoot): Brokeback Mountain → Zodiac. Zodiac filmed through Gyllenhaal's Brokeback Mountain awards campaign.
    “This movie is filming during the broke back campaign season.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:58:33 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  30. people (cinematographer): Harris Savides → Zodiac. Savides shot Zodiac and is praised as possibly the best cinematographer of the speaker's lifetime.
    “Paris Savita shot this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:09:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  31. craft (same camera): Miami Vice → Zodiac. Both used the Thomson Viper digital camera.
    “man, use that on Miami Vice as well.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:09:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  32. craft (same camera): Park Chan-wook → Zodiac. Park Chan-wook also used the Viper.
    “Park Chen will also use the Viper film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:10:23 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  33. craft (camera as character): Panic Room → Zodiac. The opening dolly shot is the Panic Room kind of thing: a camera moving with a mind of its own.
    “it is that panic room kind of thing as well, of just like the camera kind of perfectly moving”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:14:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  34. fun, about Zodiac: The opening dolly shot needed a huge run of dolly track; Leslye says she'd be laughed out of the room pitching it.
    “40 yards of fucking dolly track”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:14:21 · Leslye Headland (0.50 sure it was them)
  35. people (casting): Donnie Darko → Zodiac. Fincher liked Donnie Darko and had Gyllenhaal pegged for a while.
    “unsurprisingly, Fincher liked Donny Darko”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:22:44 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  36. people (casting): Collateral → Zodiac. Fincher cast Ruffalo partly because he liked him in Collateral.
    “One, Fincher really liked him in collateral.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:24:06 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  37. people (casting): Rumor Has It → Zodiac. Jennifer Aniston, on Rumor Has It with Ruffalo, helped him get the role.
    “So rumor has it kind of helps him get this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:25:09 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  38. contrast (contrast): Seven → Zodiac. Zodiac is called the anti-Seven: killers made dorky, not glamorous.
    “It is it is really the anti-seven.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:31:54 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  39. fun, about Zodiac: Zodiac's blood is digital, and Leslye says it looks better than almost any digital blood she has seen.
    “the fact that the blood is digital.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:34:10 · Leslye Headland (0.50 sure it was them)
  40. craft (tone of the era): The Wire → Zodiac. Zodiac's boring, methodical procedure is why The Wire felt revolutionary around the same time.
    “this is why the wire had felt so revolutionary, which is around the same time”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:43:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  41. craft (shot comparison): The Silence of the Lambs → Zodiac. Belli looks straight into camera, called the Lambs cam.
    “the lambs cam.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:51:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  42. theme (stylistic comparison): Alfred Hitchcock → Zodiac. Leslye says Fincher uses full Hitchcock in the Fleischer basement scene, which is wholly subjective.
    “No, Fincher is using full Hitchcock to do a scene that is entirely subjective.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:07:42 · Leslye Headland (0.50 sure it was them)
  43. fun, about Zodiac: Fincher changed the Chronicle's typewriters between eras for accuracy.
    “Fincher changes the kind of typewriter they use”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:10:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  44. fun, about Zodiac: The film's second Hurdy Gurdy Man cue lands as catharsis; Leslye says the song is forever transformed.
    “I'm like, you have forever transformed this song.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:13:55 · Leslye Headland (0.70 sure it was them)
  45. craft (temp score): The Conversation → Zodiac. The Conversation's score was used as temp music while Zodiac was cut, then Shire scored it.
    “they use the conversation score as temp score.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:14:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  46. industry (box office): Zodiac → Wild Hogs. Wild Hogs beat Zodiac at the box office.
    “It annihilated zodiac.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:16:30 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  47. industry (same-weekend obsession): The Number 23 → Zodiac. The Number 23 is another film about obsession, a bad one.
    “About obsession, but a bad one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:17:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  48. people (composer): David Shire → Zodiac. The Zodiac score is praised among Fincher's early good music.
    “Zodiac Score is so good, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 2:25:05 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  49. unmapped (same city): The Game → Zodiac. Both are San Francisco movies.
    “I mean, obviously Zodiac is another... This is 2 SF movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 1:22:41 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  50. unmapped (early seed): Seven → Zodiac. Fincher wanted Ned Beatty for John Doe because he looked like the Zodiac composite, showing Zodiac was on his mind early.
    “So that's how early he's thinking about zodiac.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 0:51:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  51. contrast (contrast): Seven → Zodiac. The speaker prefers Zodiac's derivative, dumb real killer to Se7en's super-villain John Doe.
    “What I like about Zodiac is that it shows serial killers as we know them to actual actually be”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 2:16:36 · Nick Wiger (0.60 sure it was them)
  52. unmapped (stolen move): The Shining → Zodiac. Fincher steals the Steadicam move where the camera turns with the car and keeps it centered.
    “Fincher steals that move of like when the car turns a corner”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:05:09 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  53. career (career): Mark Ruffalo → Zodiac. Zodiac, despite flopping, was the moment Ruffalo reclaimed the leading-man trajectory.
    “Despite being a flop at the time, zodiac was the moment where it's like, oh, he's kind of reclaiming the role that we all thought he was going to do.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · In the Cut with Jourdain Searles (Ad-Free) · 0:39:39 · Griffin or David (unclear) (0.35 sure it was them)
  54. career (career): Mark Ruffalo → Zodiac. Zodiac is cited as proof he is one of the best actors working, undercutting the 'mailman' theory.
    “Zodiac, which I think is one of the best performances of the last 20 years.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:23:39 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  55. programming (programming): Zodiac → Almost Famous. AI cut-your-own-runtime fantasy: trim Zodiac to 97 minutes; instead Bill watched the bootleg Almost Famous with 35 extra minutes.
    “we watch the bootleg cut the 2nd time, which has like 35 minutes of additional scenes.”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 1:20:45 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  56. fun, about Zodiac: A listener wants an AI to cut Zodiac to 97 minutes; Craig is 'the new Claude' trimming an hour out of Zodiac.
    “I'm trying to trim an hour out of zodiac right now.”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 1:26:53 · Craig Horlbeck (0.50 sure it was them)
  57. what-if (alphabet killer what-if): Beverly Hills Cop II → Zodiac. Fincher could have taken the alphabet-crimes concept further, and the idea is likened to a limited series with an endgame of Z.
    “I think Fincher could have taken this to a whole other level.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Beverly Hills Cop II’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:43:38 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  58. contrast (contrast): Zodiac → Panic Room. Zodiac is deep (obsession, meaning through someone else's experience) where Panic Room is a well-made B movie.
    “It's one of those things where like zodiac is deep.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:22:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  59. career (career): Panic Room → Zodiac. Five years between Panic Room and Zodiac; the effect on Fincher shows in how he tells stories afterward.
    “5 years went by between panic room and zodiac.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:22:21 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  60. craft (craft): Seven → Zodiac. Both have a patient first hour of procedural foreplay where you pick up new details on each rewatch.
    “isn't isn't that why we all like zodiac for the, like a lot of that 1st hour is the same thing where it's all foreplay”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:18:38 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  61. craft (craft): Seven → Zodiac. Zodiac similarly does not show most of its murders.
    “It's very similar to zodiac in that way, too.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:58:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)