David Shire

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as composer, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they scored, which the two lists below run through too: The Conversation (1974); The Taking of Pelham One Two Three (1974); Saturday Night Fever (1977); 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984); Zodiac (2007).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

2001: A Space Odyssey (1968): 5 lines

  1. lineage (sequel) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The film has a sequel, and Clarke wrote three sequel novels.
    “Obviously, the sequel exists.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:11:43 · Jordan Hoffman (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 tries to answer Kubrick's questions and is more loyal to Arthur C. Clarke's ideas.
    “it's much more... As I remember loyal to Arthur C. Clark's science fiction ideas”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:26:18 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 was made because the novel sequel existed, a movie made just because they had to.
    “Because Arthur C. Clark had come out with a 2010 novel.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:54:20 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (sequel) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 is the sequel to 2001; the speaker's reaction to the Kubrick film is the benchmark throughout.
    “And I said, oh, you know, 2010, the sequel to 2001 and they were like, the what?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:02:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (borrowed music) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The only thing 2010 borrows from 2001, apart from plotting, is the music, including the Zarathustra drop at the end.
    “Yeah, is the music.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:07:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

2010: Odyssey Two (novel) (1982): 3 lines

  1. unmapped (changes from the book) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2010: Odyssey Two (novel) ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the maker said so). Hyams demanded changes to play up US-Soviet politics, which the novel does not treat as a source of tension.
    “Two, there's changes I want to make to play up the politics of the movie because in the novel, the U.S. Soviet thing is not like a source of tension.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:21:36 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. theme (changed character nationality) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2010: Odyssey Two (novel) ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the maker said so). Dr. Chandra is Indian in the book; the film made him American, per Balaban.
    “Bob Balaban said they changed his nationalities from Indian to American because they thought it would be confusing to have another nationality who've got the Russians and the Americans up there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:28:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (adaptation) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: 2010: Odyssey Two (novel) ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The film exists because Clarke published the sequel novel.
    “Arthur C. Clark, of course, did publish a sequel to 2001 called 2010.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:17:20 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977): 1 line

  1. unmapped (tip of the hat) · through 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984), which they scored: Close Encounters of the Third Kind ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). Casting Balaban reads as a nod to Close Encounters; the speaker finds 2010 more in its shadow than 2001's.
    “And the Balaban casting feels like a real tip of the hat to that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:28:46 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Collateral (2004): 1 line

  1. people (casting) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: Collateral ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Fincher cast Ruffalo partly because he liked him in Collateral.
    “One, Fincher really liked him in collateral.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:24:06 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Donnie Darko (2001): 1 line

  1. people (casting) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: Donnie Darko ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Fincher liked Donnie Darko and had Gyllenhaal pegged for a while.
    “unsurprisingly, Fincher liked Donny Darko”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:22:44 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

L.A. Confidential (1997): 1 line

  1. lineage (structure / influence) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: L.A. Confidential ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Leslye says Zodiac feels like it follows in the footsteps of L.A. Confidential.
    “zodiac feels like it follows in the footsteps of that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:50:16 · Leslye Headland (0.80 sure it was them)

Nik Cohn: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Nik Cohn ⇒ Saturday Night Fever (the host's read). The film comes from a 1976 New York magazine article, later admitted to be mostly fabricated.
    “this article written by Nick Cohen”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:17:23 · Bill Simmons (0.85 sure it was them)

Robert Graysmith: 1 line

  1. lineage (adaptation) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: Robert Graysmith ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). The Salerno script, which Vanderbilt took over, adapted Graysmith's nonfiction book (with a speculative sequel bolted on).
    “So it's sort of like an adaptation of Graysmith's nonfiction book and a speculative sequence.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:50:39 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Rumor Has It: 1 line

  1. people (casting) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: Rumor Has It ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Jennifer Aniston, on Rumor Has It with Ruffalo, helped him get the role.
    “So rumor has it kind of helps him get this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 1:25:09 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Seven (1995): 1 line

  1. unmapped (why Fincher was offered it) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: Seven ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Seven made Fincher the first choice for any serial-killer project, Zodiac included.
    “Ever since he makes seven, if there's some serial killer movie, is getting sent it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:51:53 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Conversation (1974): 1 line, within their own work

  1. craft (temp score) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: The Conversation ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). The Conversation's score was used as temp music while Zodiac was cut, then Shire scored it.
    “they use the conversation score as temp score.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:14:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Shining (1980): 1 line

  1. unmapped (stolen move) · through Zodiac (2007), which they scored: The Shining ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). Fincher steals the Steadicam move where the camera turns with the car and keeps it centered.
    “Fincher steals that move of like when the car turns a corner”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:05:09 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Staying Alive (1983): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Staying Alive (the host's read). The sequel; the hosts agree it is a bad one but Simmons is glad it exists and thinks it did not ruin the original.
    “I'm glad it exists.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 1:17:52 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Staying Alive (the host's read). Staying Alive is so different that it did not ruin the original the way most sequels would.
    “it's just so different from Saturday Night Fever that it didn't ruin it in the same way most sequels would.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 1:18:06 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Airplane! (1980): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Airplane! (the host's read). Airplane! parodies this film's romance scene three years later with Robert Hays and Julie Hagerty.
    “The airplane parody scene.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:50:19 · Jimmy Kimmel (0.50 sure it was them)

Fighting with My Family (2019): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Fighting with My Family (the maker said so: Merchant in this interview). Merchant treats the wrestling matches like the dance numbers in Saturday Night Fever, each with different moves building to a big finale.
    “the way that the wrestling sequences are almost little dance numbers.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:47:51 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)

Mad Magazine's Saturday Night Fever parody: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they scored: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Mad Magazine's Saturday Night Fever parody (the host's read). Kimmel says he read the Mad parody before he saw the movie.
    “I think maybe I probably read the parody of the movie before I saw the movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:50:52 · Jimmy Kimmel (0.80 sure it was them)

Reservoir Dogs (1992): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Taking of Pelham One Two Three (1974), which they scored: The Taking of Pelham One Two Three ⇒ Reservoir Dogs (the host's read). The color-name aliases were first seen in Pelham; called a great homage.
    “It's just a great homage, great Walter Mathow in taking Pelham one, 2, 3.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Reservoir Dogs’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:00 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Zodiac (2007): 1 line, within their own work

  1. craft (temp score) · through The Conversation (1974), which they scored: The Conversation ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read). The Conversation's score was used as temp music while Zodiac was cut, then Shire scored it.
    “they use the conversation score as temp score.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:14:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Music (6) everyone in music

What was said about them, by kind

craft (1)

  1. craft (score replaced): Tony Banks → David Shire. Banks was asked to write the score, was rejected, and Shire was brought in.
    “His score was rejected. David Shire was brought in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 1:07:44 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (shared composer): David Shire → The Taking of Pelham One Two Three. Shire, Zodiac's composer, also scored Pelham 123.
    “David Shire, one of the great composers of all time. Did one of my favorite film scores for the taking film, 123.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:14:08 · Leslye Headland (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. people (composer): David Shire → Zodiac. The Zodiac score is praised among Fincher's early good music.
    “Zodiac Score is so good, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 2:25:05 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about David Shire: Shire wrote about forty minutes of score; The Conversation's score had been the temp track.
    “they use the conversation score as temp score.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 2:14:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)