The Big Picture: ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings

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The extraction calls the show “The Big Picture (The Ringer)” and the episode “'Fast 9' and the 'Fast & Furious' Rankings”.

Hosts: Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins. Guests: Shea Serrano.

Subject films: The Fast and the Furious (2001), 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003), The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006), Fast & Furious (2009), Fast Five (2011), Fast & Furious 6 (2013), Furious 7 (2015), The Fate of the Furious (2017), Hobbs & Shaw (2019), F9 (2021).

On the transcript: No speaker labels; Sean and Amanda are sometimes hard to separate. Ad reads fill the start and middle.

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Films that came up

subject (10)

F9 · Fast Five · Hobbs & Shaw · The Fast and the Furious · Fast & Furious 6 · Furious 7 · The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift · The Fate of the Furious · 2 Fast 2 Furious · Fast & Furious

passing (13)

The Fast and the Furious (Roger Corman film) · Triple X · Mission: Impossible - Fallout · Pieces of a Woman · Baby Boy · Lost River · Playing with Fire · The Suicide Squad · Boiler Room · Without Remorse · Sicario: Day of the Soldado · Widows · Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

compared (4)

Better Luck Tomorrow · Citizen Kane · Gravity · Hell or High Water

anecdote (2)

Reasonable Doubt (Jay-Z album, used as analogy) · Bloodshot

recommended (1)

Find Me Guilty

Claims (46)

  1. career (career): Justin Lin → Fast Five. Sean credits Justin Lin as most responsible for pushing the franchise from street racing to bigger action.
    “Justin Lynn is probably most responsible for taking the franchise from this grounded street level action”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:04:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Fast Five → The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. Justin Lin sets the franchise on its trajectory in Tokyo Drift, seeds it in Fast & Furious, and perfects it in Fast Five.
    “He figures it out perfectly in fast five.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:05:46 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): The Fast and the Furious → Roger Corman film. The first film borrowed its title from a 1960s Corman exploitation movie.
    “it borrowed its title from a somewhat well-known Roger Corman exploitation movie from the 1960s”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:08:08 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. people (people): The Fast and the Furious → Triple X. Director Rob Cohen went on to make Triple X with Vin Diesel.
    “directed by a guy named Rob Cohen, who went on to make a couple of other movies like this, among them, Triple X starring Van Diesel.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:08:08 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): The Fast and the Furious → Fast Five. Family is why the first, fifth and seventh are the best entries.
    “That's why the 1st one was so effective.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:12:39 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Fast and Furious 6 → Furious 7. Letty-Gina fight in 6 and Letty-Ronda Rousey fight in 7 named as the two best fights.
    “she's given us the 2 best fights.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:15:53 · Shea Serrano (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): Furious 7 → The Fate of the Furious. Fate and F9 lean on Furious 7's ending in vain with passing references to Brian.
    “And they try and lean on it a little bit in the fate of the furious.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:17:53 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  8. career (career): Sung Kang → Better Luck Tomorrow. Sean first saw Sung Kang in Better Luck Tomorrow, directed by Justin Lin.
    “you know, an incredible actress on Kang, who I 1st saw in a great movie called Better Luck Tomorrow, directed, of course, by Justin Lynn”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:19:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (lineage): Better Luck Tomorrow → F9. Justin Lin folds his earlier film (via Han) into the Fast saga, like Jay-Z and Nas remaking a hot song.
    “he's like, oh, the movie that I did before, Better Luck tomorrow.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:20:21 · Shea Serrano (0.80 sure it was them)
  10. contrast (contrast): Fast Five → F9. Same villain structure: the Rock isn't quite a villain in Fast Five and Cena turns good in F9.
    “But then they do it again in fast 5 with the rock, and he's not really the villain, but he's the villain.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:22:57 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  11. contrast (contrast): Charlize Theron → F9. Charlize is wasted in F9 compared with a real villain turn in Fate, a short paycheck job.
    “that was an incredible paycheck job by her to come through for what felt like 16 hours”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:25:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  12. industry (industry): Fast Five → Citizen Kane. Amanda says the franchise has room alongside Citizen Kane.
    “And is it Citizen Kane?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:27:34 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
  13. industry (industry): Fast Five → The Fast and the Furious. Franchise films fund other films like bestselling books float a publisher.
    “They don't get made if you don't have movies like these that are fucking just bringing in every dollar.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:28:16 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  14. verdict (verdict): Fast Five → Furious 7. Amanda's personal order puts Fast Five first, and she ranks Furious 7 third.
    “I obviously am putting Fast 5 at number one.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:29:05 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)
  15. lineage (lineage): The Fast and the Furious → Fast Five. Coming in at Fast Five and then going back to the first film feels like a different planet, like finding Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt after Vol. 2.
    “If you come in at fast five, and then you go back and watch The Fast and the Furious.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:29:54 · Shea Serrano (0.75 sure it was them)
  16. verdict (verdict): Furious 7 → The Fast and the Furious. Shea ranks Furious 7 over Fast Five; both below the original.
    “I'm too mad that Amanda put Furious 7 and 3rd.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:30:20 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  17. contrast (contrast): Furious 7 → Fast Five. Shea argues Furious 7 beats Fast Five on emotion; Amanda says Fast Five opens up all the possibility.
    “But like fast 5 is that it opens up all the possibility.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:30:28 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  18. craft (craft): Fast Five → Furious 7. Amanda defends Fast Five over Furious 7 by the Rio safe-drag set piece.
    “Like they took the safe out of the wall and then they just dragged it through the city and then they switched it to another safe.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:30:41 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
  19. verdict (verdict): The Fast and the Furious → Fast Five. Shea's sequel-vs-original ranking: original at 1 as start of everything and best Dom/Brian, Fast Five at 2.
    “It's the start of everything.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:31:03 · Shea Serrano (0.80 sure it was them)
  20. people (people): Furious 7 → Paul Walker. Shea calls Furious 7 the perfect send-off for Paul Walker and says theaters wept.
    “It's the perfect sendoff for Paul Walker.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:31:37 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  21. craft (craft): Furious 7 → Wiz Khalifa. A Wiz Khalifa song carries the Paul Walker send-off ending, enough to make the speaker cry in the theater.
    “I can't, I'm crying to a whiz Khalifa song in the movie theater, like, what? That's how special this movie is.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:31:52 · Shea Serrano (0.70 sure it was them)
  22. industry (industry): Hobbs & Shaw → F9. Starting with 8, 9 and Hobbs & Shaw the trailers became more fun than the films.
    “The trailers became more fun than the movies.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:33:57 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  23. contrast (contrast): Hobbs & Shaw → The Fast and the Furious. Hobbs & Shaw has zero pieces of the original movie and is ranked last.
    “It doesn't have any of the, like, pieces of the original movie, like, 0 pieces from the Fast and the Furious around this.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:34:31 · Shea Serrano (0.75 sure it was them)
  24. contrast (contrast): Hobbs & Shaw → The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. Tokyo Drift lacks main characters but has the franchise spirit; Hobbs & Shaw does not.
    “You can argue like Tokyo Drift.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:34:40 · Shea Serrano (0.70 sure it was them)
  25. theme (theme): Hobbs & Shaw → Fast Five. Sean expects the franchise to become expansion titles because Statham and Diesel do not want to make movies together.
    “clearly Jason Statham and Vin Diesel don't necessarily want to make a lot of movies together”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:34:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  26. verdict (verdict): F9 → The Fate of the Furious. Amanda puts F9 over Fate of the Furious purely for the magnet set pieces; Fate's submarine and baby sequences are the other side.
    “I would put F9 over the fate of the furious.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:36:53 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  27. verdict (verdict): The Fate of the Furious → Hobbs & Shaw. Fate of the Furious is ranked above Hobbs & Shaw, with the Statham/Mirren material working better in Fate.
    “Especially in Fate of the Furious, because it works in that movie and like doesn't really work in Hobson Shaw”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:37:10 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  28. career (career): Vanessa Kirby → Mission: Impossible – Fallout. Kirby's MI and Hobbs & Shaw work should have made her the next action star.
    “her work in Mission Impossible 6 and in Hobbs and Shaw should have cemented her as the next great action star”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:37:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  29. verdict (verdict): Fast and Furious 6 → The Fast and the Furious. Amanda ranks Fast 6 above Fast & Furious since 6 comes after Fast Five and has found its more-is-more footing.
    “I like 6 more than 4 because 6 is, you know, well, it's obviously like post fast five.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:38:15 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
  30. lineage (lineage): Fast and Furious 6 → Fast Five. Fast 6 plays post Fast Five with the cargo plane set piece.
    “That's when they do the whole thing with the cargo plane.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:38:26 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)
  31. career (career): John Singleton → 2 Fast 2 Furious. Sean softened on the film thinking about Singleton's career, diversity and tone it introduced.
    “I think about the context of John Singleton's career”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:38:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  32. verdict (verdict): Fast and Furious 6 → The Fast and the Furious. Shea says 6 is the best Letty movie and must sit above part four; part four's only highlight is Dom vs Brian.
    “you have to have that one above part four.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:39:27 · Shea Serrano (0.80 sure it was them)
  33. lineage (lineage): 2 Fast 2 Furious → F9. Sean says 2 Fast 2 Furious is tonally closer to the current franchise than the gritty Rob Cohen original.
    “seems like it has a little bit more in common tonally than with the current set of the franchise than that original Rob Cohen film”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:40:55 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  34. career (career): 2 Fast 2 Furious → Baby Boy. Singleton had just done Baby Boy with Tyrese, so cast him here.
    “John Singleton has just come off of doing Baby Boy with Tyrese in 2001.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:41:20 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  35. lineage (lineage): F9 → The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. F9 gives Tokyo Drift a big shout out and brings back Han.
    “it's a movie that has a huge cult fan base that gets a pretty big shout out in F9.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:43:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  36. lineage (lineage): The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift → Fast Five. Shea realizes Tokyo Drift is the keystone: remove it and the rest falls apart.
    “If that's that's the one movie, if you take it out, all of the rest of it falls apart.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:44:25 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  37. verdict (verdict): 2 Fast 2 Furious → The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. Shea moved Tokyo Drift above 2 Fast 2 Furious as it ages better.
    “Tokyo Drift is my 5th place.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:44:56 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  38. verdict (verdict): The Fast and the Furious → Fast Five. Final ranking has the original at number one, Fast Five second, as a compromise.
    “number two, Fast five, number one, the Fast and the Furious.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:45:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  39. career (career): John Cena → Playing with Fire. Amanda enjoyed Cena in Playing with Fire but not in F9.
    “I watched him in, what was it, playing with fire when he was a fireman?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:50:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  40. career (career): John Cena → Suicide Squad. The Suicide Squad uses Cena's humor better than F9.
    “And I felt like it leveraged his sense of humor in a way that this movie”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:50:52 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  41. career (career): Vin Diesel → Find Me Guilty. Sean points to Diesel's good work for Sidney Lumet.
    “I think he's in a really good Sydney Lomette movie called Find Me Guilty.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:52:35 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  42. career (career): Vin Diesel → Bloodshot. Amanda cites Bloodshot as proof Diesel is weak outside the Fast series.
    “And you can see it when you take him out of the fast series.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:52:43 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  43. what-if (what-if): F9 → Gravity. Sean wants a real space version, with Bullock and Clooney, merged with Fast.
    “let's fucking do gravity and fasten the Furious together.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:55:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)
  44. what-if (what-if): Jason Statham → F9. Amanda and Sean miss Statham, the Rock and Kurt Russell in F9; they want them in space.
    “the people I want to see in space are Kurt Russell and the Rock and Jason Stathum.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:56:35 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  45. what-if (what-if): The Fast and the Furious → Hell or High Water. Reset the franchise small as Hell or High Water reset the big heist movie.
    “And then hell or high water showed up.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:57:57 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  46. what-if (what-if): The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift → F9. Wants a return to smaller street racing and Justin Lin back.
    “kind of want to Tokyo drift it now.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:58:27 · Shea Serrano (0.60 sure it was them)

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  1. fun, about Shea Serrano: The Dirk analogy: Fast has done what it needed, now it's a victory lap like Dirk after 2011.
    “this was like after Dirk won the title in 2011.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:04:03 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Fast Five: Amanda came to the series with Fast Five and it was her first Fast film, a baptism by fire.
    “I was taken by friends to see Fast 5 in a theater.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:06:31 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The Fast and the Furious: The Fast Wikipedia pages lose their car descriptions by Fast 6.
    “it's really it's about a submarine at this point.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:07:43 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about The Fast and the Furious: The family-is-said 300 times joke.
    “I don't know if something can be a theme if it's a word that is said 300 times in a movie”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:12:15 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Shea Serrano: Shea's checklist: family, Dom out the car window, stunts, more stunts, more family.
    “I need a scene where Dominic Toretto looks out of the window of his car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:12:55 · Shea Serrano (0.90 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Fast Five: Onion video: interview with a child as Fast 5's screenwriter.
    “the interview was with a small child”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:14:29 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about F9: Corona beer: Diesel sets it down and does not drink in F9.
    “he doesn't take a drink.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:15:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Letty: Letty's fights: Ronda Rousey in 7, Gina in 6 subway fight.
    “I think she's the best fighter in the franchise.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:15:50 · Shea Serrano (0.55 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Han: Han stands with hands in pockets, the coolest person Sean has seen in years.
    “He just stands there with his hands in his pockets”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:19:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Hobbs & Shaw: Helicopter scene effects were called garbage.
    “the effects were so garbage”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:33:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.55 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about F9: Trailer revealed Han walking out of the tunnel; Shea ran around the house screaming.
    “I fucking lost my mind.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:34:05 · Shea Serrano (0.60 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about F9: Magnet set pieces redeem F9 for Sean.
    “anytime there's a magnet on screen, I'm like, I'm into this movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:36:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Eva Mendes: Her last film role was Lost River, directed by Gosling.
    “next to it, it says final film role.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:42:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Tokyo Drift: Shea slowly flips on Tokyo Drift: first hated, now fifth.
    “It's just moving up slowly but surely.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:44:58 · Shea Serrano (0.85 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Axelrod / Billions: Sean quotes a line from Billions about negotiation.
    “nobody walks away from a negotiation happy”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:45:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Vin Diesel: Amanda finds Diesel sees Dom as a profound figure of literature.
    “He sees himself as a noble warrior.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:52:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. fun, about F9: Space sequence disappoints: they just float.
    “they're just sort of floating there being existential.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:54:39 · Shea Serrano (0.60 sure it was them)
  18. fun, about Fast franchise: Sean imagines Ingmar Bergman style emotional drama.
    “severe emotional dramas like Ingmar Bergman, Circa 1965.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:56:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  19. fun, about F9: Shea proposes Zendaya as a street racing champion and sister.
    “Let's get Zendaya in here.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:58:17 · Shea Serrano (0.80 sure it was them)
  20. fun, about Fast Five: Amanda's evergreen: the Rio safe drag, which she yells about again at the close.
    “So they just hitched their cars to it and took the safe with them.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 1:01:50 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

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