Citizen Kane (1941)

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Wikidata Q24815, film, IMDb tt0033467, TMDB 15: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 8 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #579, Citizen Kane (1941).

Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Herman Mankiewicz: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (adapting lived experience): Herman Mankiewicz ⇒ Citizen Kane (the host's read). Sean says Citizen Kane is Welles adapting an experience Herman Mankiewicz had inside the Hearst circle.
    “so in a way, this is him adapting an experience that Herman Mankowitz had”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:41:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

William Randolph Hearst: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (subject): William Randolph Hearst ⇒ Citizen Kane (the host's read). Mankiewicz's script was a thinly veiled attack on his friend Hearst.
    “I'm going to make fun of my my pal, Jordan, you know, William Randall first.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:39:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Mank: 2 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (visual influence): Citizen Kane ⇒ Mank (the maker said so: David's interview with cinematographer Erik Messerschmidt). Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
    “He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)

Oh Father (Madonna video): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (tribute): Citizen Kane ⇒ Oh Father (Madonna video) (the host's read). Oh Father is called Fincher's first Citizen Kane tribute.
    “This was his 1st Citizen Kane tribute.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:17:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Connected to

Mank: 3 lines lineage ×2 craft ×1

  1. lineage (visual influence): Citizen Kane → Mank. Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
    “He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)

Casablanca: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Citizen Kane → Casablanca. Younger viewers resist classics because they feel they must watch five canonical films first; a recent episode showed they refuse Citizen Kane even on streaming.
    “we just went through a whole episode where people refuse to watch Citizen Kane on streaming.”
    The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:50:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)

Errol Morris: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Errol Morris → Citizen Kane. The Academy hired Errol Morris for short documentaries, one of which produced Donald Trump misreading Citizen Kane.
    “he completely misreads Citizen Kane and misunderstands it and then kind of sort of predicts his own future in some respects”
    The Big Picture · Top Five Gen X Director Debuts, the Fate of ‘Black Widow,’ and a Potential Oscars Disaster · 0:21:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Fast Five: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Fast Five → Citizen Kane. Amanda says the franchise has room alongside Citizen Kane.
    “And is it Citizen Kane?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:27:34 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

Herman Mankiewicz: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (adapting lived experience): Herman Mankiewicz → Citizen Kane. Sean says Citizen Kane is Welles adapting an experience Herman Mankiewicz had inside the Hearst circle.
    “so in a way, this is him adapting an experience that Herman Mankowitz had”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:41:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

Oh Father (Madonna video): 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (tribute): Citizen Kane → Oh Father (Madonna video). Oh Father is called Fincher's first Citizen Kane tribute.
    “This was his 1st Citizen Kane tribute.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:17:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Raging Bull: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (misunderstood at release): Raging Bull → Citizen Kane. Critics like Pauline Kael panning Raging Bull is compared to audiences not getting Citizen Kane at the time.
    “Yeah, people didn't get Citizen Kane at the time.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Raging Bull with David Krumholtz · 2:02:33 · unknown host (0.30 sure it was them)

Robert Altman: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (dismissed): Robert Altman → Citizen Kane. Altman told Urbaniak he never thought Citizen Kane was that great.
    “I never thought Citizen K was that great.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Sherlock Jr. / The Navigator with James Urbaniak · 0:25:20 · James Urbaniak (0.85 sure it was them)

Roddy McDowall: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (beat it at the Oscars): Roddy McDowall → Citizen Kane. Griffin says he used to think the Roddy McDowall film shouldn't have beaten Citizen Kane, then saw it and changed his mind.
    “oh, that's the movie that shouldn't have beaten Season K.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Sherlock Jr. / The Navigator with James Urbaniak · 2:20:28 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Martian: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Martian → Citizen Kane. The Martian is meant to be a balm, not an object of heavy analysis, unlike a Citizen Kane.
    “the Martian is a movie that's supposed to make people feel good, and it's supposed to be a bomb for you”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:15:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

The Royal Tenenbaums: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (studio-fate): The Royal Tenenbaums → Citizen Kane. Ambersons is Welles's follow-up to Kane and the movie taken away from him.
    “Orson Wells' infamous 2nd feature, his movie after Citizen Kane, and the movie that was taken away from him.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Royal Tenenbaums’ With Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald · 1:16:00 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

William Randolph Hearst: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (subject): William Randolph Hearst → Citizen Kane. Mankiewicz's script was a thinly veiled attack on his friend Hearst.
    “I'm going to make fun of my my pal, Jordan, you know, William Randall first.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:39:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): The Martian → Citizen Kane. The Martian is meant to be a balm, not an object of heavy analysis, unlike a Citizen Kane.
    “the Martian is a movie that's supposed to make people feel good, and it's supposed to be a bomb for you”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:15:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (tone): Citizen Kane → Mank. Like Citizen Kane, Mank has a complicated relationship to its lead; Mank mirrors the attitude of the man himself.
    “Yeah, as much as Citizen Kane, the movie has a very complicated relationship to its lead character.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:10:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (misunderstood at release): Raging Bull → Citizen Kane. Critics like Pauline Kael panning Raging Bull is compared to audiences not getting Citizen Kane at the time.
    “Yeah, people didn't get Citizen Kane at the time.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Raging Bull with David Krumholtz · 2:02:33 · unknown host (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (beat it at the Oscars): Roddy McDowall → Citizen Kane. Griffin says he used to think the Roddy McDowall film shouldn't have beaten Citizen Kane, then saw it and changed his mind.
    “oh, that's the movie that shouldn't have beaten Season K.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Sherlock Jr. / The Navigator with James Urbaniak · 2:20:28 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (studio-fate): The Royal Tenenbaums → Citizen Kane. Ambersons is Welles's follow-up to Kane and the movie taken away from him.
    “Orson Wells' infamous 2nd feature, his movie after Citizen Kane, and the movie that was taken away from him.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Royal Tenenbaums’ With Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald · 1:16:00 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Fast Five → Citizen Kane. Amanda says the franchise has room alongside Citizen Kane.
    “And is it Citizen Kane?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Fast 9’ and the ‘Fast & Furious’ Rankings · 0:27:34 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (subject / source): Mank → Citizen Kane. Mank is partly inspired by Pauline Kael's essay on who truly authored Citizen Kane.
    “it's in part inspired by that very famous Pauline Kale, story raising Kane, about the true authorship of Citizen Kane”
    The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:58:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (visual influence): Citizen Kane → Mank. Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
    “He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): Errol Morris → Citizen Kane. The Academy hired Errol Morris for short documentaries, one of which produced Donald Trump misreading Citizen Kane.
    “he completely misreads Citizen Kane and misunderstands it and then kind of sort of predicts his own future in some respects”
    The Big Picture · Top Five Gen X Director Debuts, the Fate of ‘Black Widow,’ and a Potential Oscars Disaster · 0:21:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Citizen Kane → Casablanca. Younger viewers resist classics because they feel they must watch five canonical films first; a recent episode showed they refuse Citizen Kane even on streaming.
    “we just went through a whole episode where people refuse to watch Citizen Kane on streaming.”
    The Big Picture · Thirteen Awards Movies to Watch Out for, Oscar Do-Overs, and More From the Mailbag · 0:50:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)

unmapped (4)

  1. unmapped (dismissed): Robert Altman → Citizen Kane. Altman told Urbaniak he never thought Citizen Kane was that great.
    “I never thought Citizen K was that great.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Sherlock Jr. / The Navigator with James Urbaniak · 0:25:20 · James Urbaniak (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (subject): William Randolph Hearst → Citizen Kane. Mankiewicz's script was a thinly veiled attack on his friend Hearst.
    “I'm going to make fun of my my pal, Jordan, you know, William Randall first.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:39:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (adapting lived experience): Herman Mankiewicz → Citizen Kane. Sean says Citizen Kane is Welles adapting an experience Herman Mankiewicz had inside the Hearst circle.
    “so in a way, this is him adapting an experience that Herman Mankowitz had”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:41:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (tribute): Citizen Kane → Oh Father (Madonna video). Oh Father is called Fincher's first Citizen Kane tribute.
    “This was his 1st Citizen Kane tribute.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:17:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

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