Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) (1984)

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Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Hill Street Blues: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Hill Street Blues ⇒ Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) (the host's read). Hill Street Blues raised TV through writing and performance; Miami Vice added the cinematic look on top of that standard.
    “try to write, like, Hill Street blues level scripts and have real grounded performances and make it all look fucking awesome.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:16:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Michael Mann: 3 lines craft ×3

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Michael Mann. The Phil Collins drive is the most remembered Miami Vice scene and shows Mann's magic.
    “And that is, that does feel like the Michael Mann magic where he's like, you're allowed to do this.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:03:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Aliens: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Aliens. The pilot's extended opening titles build slowly like Aliens' opening.
    “It feels like the opening to aliens where it like takes a long time to come together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:50:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Arrested Development: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Arrested Development → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Some pilots only introduce a format and the show is not good until episode three.
    “Good pilot, good pilot, and then it's introducing you to the format of that show.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:30:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

E/R: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): E/R → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The E/R sitcom pilot aired the same night as Miami Vice with a rating of 23 versus 22.8.
    “Airing the same night as Miami Vice, which is number two, with 22.8 million.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:16:10 · Ben Hosley (0.30 sure it was them)

Freaks and Geeks: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Freaks and Geeks → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Offered as the standard of a great pilot that works alone and sets up a series.
    “Freaks and geeks is usually my answer.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:22:43 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Hill Street Blues: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Hill Street Blues. Hill Street Blues raised TV through writing and performance; Miami Vice added the cinematic look on top of that standard.
    “try to write, like, Hill Street blues level scripts and have real grounded performances and make it all look fucking awesome.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:16:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

I Am Love: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → I Am Love. Defending visual beauty against the 'style over substance' charge, using I Am Love's perfume-commercial dismissal.
    “I remember when that came out, people were like, it's just like a two-hour perfume commercial.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:15:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Jan Hammer: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Jan Hammer → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). A speaker singles out Jan Hammer's famous opening theme and the show's music in general as what they want to rewatch the pilot for.
    “famous opening theme by Jan Hammer. great music in general.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:49:39 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (unclear) (0.40 sure it was them)

L.A. Takedown: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → L.A. Takedown. Watching the pilot feels like a Mann bonus, like The Jericho Mile or L.A. Takedown.
    “It feels like watching Jericho Mile or watching LA Town.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:06:48 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Lost: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Lost → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Lost's pilot is great, the second episode flatter, and the real direction arrives with Walkabout.
    “Like, the Lost Pilot is a great pilot.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:25:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Miami Vice: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Miami Vice. The pilot did what Mann's film could have done for it, but the film drops viewers into the middle of the partnership instead of an origin story.
    “Instead of doing an origin story kind of like, here's how these 2 cops get together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:41:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Nick Nolte: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Nick Nolte → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Nolte and Jeff Bridges were first choices, but movie stars would not go to TV.
    “Nick Nolty, Jeff Bridges were their 1st choices.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:51:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Seinfeld: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Seinfeld → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Watching a show figure itself out: the Seinfeld pilot lacks Elaine and calls Kramer Kessler.
    “Elaine's not in it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:28:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Six Feet Under: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Six Feet Under → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The Six Feet Under pilot is a self-contained movie whose ending needs no more series.
    “I think that pilot is basically a fantastic movie, like the ending is like pretty phenomenal.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:22:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Some Kind of Hero: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Some Kind of Hero → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Some Kind of Hero was a movie on a rival network in Miami Vice's slot.
    “The movie Some Kind of Hero.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:16:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). A pilot can be so hot the show cannot sustain it.
    “There are also things, like, Studio 60 on the Sun says trip.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:39:49 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Incredibles: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The Incredibles. The cynical ending, where the big guy gets away, echoes The Incredibles on systemic issues.
    “Right, it's like the Incredibles too.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:06:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Jericho Mile: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The Jericho Mile. Pilots were often shot as potential TV movies, as with The Jericho Mile and Battlestar Galactica.
    “Some TV movies as well, like Jericho Mile, but like, you know, Balestar Galactica was released as a film.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:21:13 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Sopranos: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): The Sopranos → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The Sopranos pilot, with its ducks arc, is emotionally complete while setting up the show.
    “The Sopranos pilot is bulletproof.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:24:00 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The X-Files (pilot): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The X-Files (pilot). Classic pilots feel like a little complete movie, as with the X-Files pilot.
    “it's gonna feel like a little movie about these 2 people meeting and having an adventure”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:21:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (3)

  1. contrast (contrast): Arrested Development → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Some pilots only introduce a format and the show is not good until episode three.
    “Good pilot, good pilot, and then it's introducing you to the format of that show.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:30:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). A pilot can be so hot the show cannot sustain it.
    “There are also things, like, Studio 60 on the Sun says trip.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:39:49 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Miami Vice. The pilot did what Mann's film could have done for it, but the film drops viewers into the middle of the partnership instead of an origin story.
    “Instead of doing an origin story kind of like, here's how these 2 cops get together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:41:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (8)

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Michael Mann. Mann brought his neon sensibility to TV; the no-earth-tones rule.
    “And he's bringing those kind of neon sensibilities.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:18:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The X-Files (pilot). Classic pilots feel like a little complete movie, as with the X-Files pilot.
    “it's gonna feel like a little movie about these 2 people meeting and having an adventure”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:21:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Lost → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Lost's pilot is great, the second episode flatter, and the real direction arrives with Walkabout.
    “Like, the Lost Pilot is a great pilot.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:25:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Seinfeld → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Watching a show figure itself out: the Seinfeld pilot lacks Elaine and calls Kramer Kessler.
    “Elaine's not in it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:28:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Jan Hammer → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). A speaker singles out Jan Hammer's famous opening theme and the show's music in general as what they want to rewatch the pilot for.
    “famous opening theme by Jan Hammer. great music in general.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:49:39 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (unclear) (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Aliens. The pilot's extended opening titles build slowly like Aliens' opening.
    “It feels like the opening to aliens where it like takes a long time to come together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:50:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Michael Mann. The script lacks Mann's polished dialogue but carries his pet themes.
    “It doesn't have the same sort of like diamond cut dialogue of man's best work.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:51:14 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Michael Mann. The Phil Collins drive is the most remembered Miami Vice scene and shows Mann's magic.
    “And that is, that does feel like the Michael Mann magic where he's like, you're allowed to do this.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:03:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The Jericho Mile. Pilots were often shot as potential TV movies, as with The Jericho Mile and Battlestar Galactica.
    “Some TV movies as well, like Jericho Mile, but like, you know, Balestar Galactica was released as a film.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:21:13 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (lineage): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Hill Street Blues. Hill Street Blues raised TV through writing and performance; Miami Vice added the cinematic look on top of that standard.
    “try to write, like, Hill Street blues level scripts and have real grounded performances and make it all look fucking awesome.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:16:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → L.A. Takedown. Watching the pilot feels like a Mann bonus, like The Jericho Mile or L.A. Takedown.
    “It feels like watching Jericho Mile or watching LA Town.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:06:48 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): E/R → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The E/R sitcom pilot aired the same night as Miami Vice with a rating of 23 versus 22.8.
    “Airing the same night as Miami Vice, which is number two, with 22.8 million.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:16:10 · Ben Hosley (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Some Kind of Hero → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Some Kind of Hero was a movie on a rival network in Miami Vice's slot.
    “The movie Some Kind of Hero.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:16:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → I Am Love. Defending visual beauty against the 'style over substance' charge, using I Am Love's perfume-commercial dismissal.
    “I remember when that came out, people were like, it's just like a two-hour perfume commercial.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:15:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → The Incredibles. The cynical ending, where the big guy gets away, echoes The Incredibles on systemic issues.
    “Right, it's like the Incredibles too.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:06:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Freaks and Geeks → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Offered as the standard of a great pilot that works alone and sets up a series.
    “Freaks and geeks is usually my answer.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:22:43 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Six Feet Under → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The Six Feet Under pilot is a self-contained movie whose ending needs no more series.
    “I think that pilot is basically a fantastic movie, like the ending is like pretty phenomenal.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:22:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): The Sopranos → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). The Sopranos pilot, with its ducks arc, is emotionally complete while setting up the show.
    “The Sopranos pilot is bulletproof.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:24:00 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Nick Nolte → Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper). Nolte and Jeff Bridges were first choices, but movie stars would not go to TV.
    “Nick Nolty, Jeff Bridges were their 1st choices.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:51:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): Surprisingly self-contained: an emotional two-parter with an arc, not a stylish procedural.
    “It is a classic pilot, you know, like they kind of don't make them anymore.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:20:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): Best when nobody's talking: music and driving, which TV was not doing then.
    “It's good when people are talking.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:50:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): The diner scene: when Crockett tells his partner's wife, the camera holds a wide shot with no cutaway.
    “you just stay in this wide shot of the guy standing by the door.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:59:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): The Phil Collins In the Air Tonight silent drive is the scene people remember most.
    “I feel like that's what people still remember about Miami Vice more than anything.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:03:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): Third-act twist: Tubbs took his dead brother's name to avenge him.
    “I like the revealed that that Tubbs is has taken his brother's name to sort of avenge his brother's death.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 1:05:45 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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