Aliens (1986)

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Wikidata Q104814, film, IMDb tt0090605, TMDB 679: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Bill Paxton as actor ('Mission: Impossible' With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Jason Concepcion); 7 more episodes agree.

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Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Alien: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (sequel / genre shift): Alien ⇒ Aliens (the host's read). Cameron's sequel to Ridley Scott's film shifted the genre, which raised expectations for any follow-up.
    “some other fucking guy is coming in and making a sequel to Ridley Scott's movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:50:21 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Alien 3: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (sequel): Aliens ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien: Covenant: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Aliens ⇒ Alien: Covenant (the host's read). The loader and airlock set piece homages the power loader fight in Aliens.
    “But something about this feels closer to the power loader fight.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 1:55:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Avatar: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Aliens ⇒ Avatar (the host's read). Making Aliens (a voiceless monster) is what let Cameron individualize the humans there and flip that in Avatar.
    “I wonder if he hadn't made aliens if he could have arrived at that.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:04:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Aliens ⇒ Captain America: The First Avenger (the host's read). The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (unmade sequel): Aliens ⇒ Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel (the host's read). Blomkamp's unmade film would have followed Aliens directly.
    “an alien sequel that was a direct aliens sequel and ignoring everything that came after it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:32:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Avatar: 5 lines craft ×3 lineage ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Avatar → Aliens. Avatar's humans are not meant to be charismatic like Aliens' Marines; the audience is supposed to side with the Navi.
    “When people go, why aren't the Marines in this as compelling as the Marines and aliens?”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:03:39 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Alien: Covenant: 4 lines lineage ×3 theme ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Aliens. The loader and airlock set piece homages the power loader fight in Aliens.
    “But something about this feels closer to the power loader fight.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 1:55:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Alien 3: 3 lines lineage ×2 industry ×1

  1. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien Resurrection: 3 lines theme ×1 craft ×1 contrast ×1

  1. theme (theme): Alien Resurrection → Aliens. Seeing Ripley cloned and cut open feels as cruel as Hicks and Newt dying off-screen at the start of the previous sequel.
    “this is the moment where I feel the way people describe the anger of Hicks and Newt getting killed at the beginning of alien cube.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:22:17 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)

Bill Paxton: 3 lines career ×2 what-if ×1

  1. career (career): Bill Paxton → Aliens. Paxton and Biehn were supposed to be the stars of Aliens in any other world.
    “Paxton and Bean are supposed to, like, in any other world, be the stars of aliens”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:53:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Sigourney Weaver: 2 lines career ×1 craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Sigourney Weaver → Aliens. Weaver redefines Ripley in each film: throw it out, ball it up.
    “It's so telling that each of the 4 movies, she's like, throw it out, ball it up, redefine my character, give me new shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 1:05:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (sequel / genre shift): Alien → Aliens. Cameron's sequel to Ridley Scott's film shifted the genre, which raised expectations for any follow-up.
    “some other fucking guy is coming in and making a sequel to Ridley Scott's movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:50:21 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Blue Steel: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Blue Steel → Aliens. The locker-room dressing scene is shot like the gear-up in Aliens.
    “shot like aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:10:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Aliens. The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Charles Dance: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (character function): Charles Dance → Aliens. Dance's doctor combines the helper, enemy and android roles Reiser, Biehn and Henriksen played in Aliens.
    “He's kind of Paul Reiser, Michael Bean, and Lance Henrickson from Aliens in one character.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:29:45 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Friday the 13th Part 2: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th Part 2 → Aliens. Part 2 is argued to improve more on its original than Aliens, Godfather 2, or Empire.
    “Hmm. Friday 2 is like leaps and bounds.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:16:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Full Metal Jacket: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (scheduling conflict): Aliens → Full Metal Jacket. Rico Ross had to choose between two tyrannical directors with overlapping holds and picked Aliens.
    “And eventually it was just like, you're dealing with 2 different tyrannical control freaks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Full Metal Jacket with Jon Gabrus (Ad-Free) · 0:46:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Aliens. The pilot's extended opening titles build slowly like Aliens' opening.
    “It feels like the opening to aliens where it like takes a long time to come together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:50:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (performance echo): Mission: Impossible → Aliens. Cruise's panicked 'they knew we were coming' on the phone is compared to Bill Paxton in Aliens.
    “He's like fucking Bill Paxton and aliens in this scene.”
    The Rewatchables · 'Mission: Impossible' With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Jason Concepcion · 0:23:42 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (franchise pairing): Aliens → Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol. Both franchises are auteur-rich without one definitive director, which is why the Patreon series covered them.
    “Uh, but like Mission Impossible Aliens, perfect examples of franchises that uh, have a tours, but do not have one definitive director.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:09:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (unmade sequel): Aliens → Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel. Blomkamp's unmade film would have followed Aliens directly.
    “an alien sequel that was a direct aliens sequel and ignoring everything that came after it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:32:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Resident Evil: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (creature/set-piece comp): Resident Evil → Aliens. The elevator ascent and maternity ward pods recall Alien and Aliens; xenomorphs coming out of the wall.
    “this is really where a lot of the alien and aliens stuff starts to come in”
    The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips! · 0:58:53 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): Bill Paxton → Aliens. Paxton is funny even in serious movies like Aliens (game over, man).
    “And then even in serious movies like aliens, when he's just like, you know, game over, man”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Weird Science’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt · 1:22:05 · Bill Simmons (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Sigourney Weaver → Aliens. 1988 was her peak juice, two years after Aliens and just before Ghostbusters II.
    “It's 2 years after aliens.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:37:31 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Bill Paxton → Aliens. Paxton and Biehn were supposed to be the stars of Aliens in any other world.
    “Paxton and Bean are supposed to, like, in any other world, be the stars of aliens”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:53:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (3)

  1. contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th Part 2 → Aliens. Part 2 is argued to improve more on its original than Aliens, Godfather 2, or Empire.
    “Hmm. Friday 2 is like leaps and bounds.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:16:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Avatar → Aliens. Avatar's humans are not meant to be charismatic like Aliens' Marines; the audience is supposed to side with the Navi.
    “When people go, why aren't the Marines in this as compelling as the Marines and aliens?”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:03:39 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Alien Resurrection → Aliens. In Aliens she rescues Newt and in Alien 3 the convicts find purpose; in Resurrection there is no purpose to the fight.
    “in aliens, she's rescuing newt and like, you know, even in alien 3, they kind of, by the end of it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 1:40:03 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)

craft (8)

  1. craft (craft): Miami Vice - Pilot (Brother's Keeper) → Aliens. The pilot's extended opening titles build slowly like Aliens' opening.
    “It feels like the opening to aliens where it like takes a long time to come together.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Miami Vice - Pilot Episode · 0:50:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Avatar → Aliens. Cameron gave Avatar a Hudson-type scene-stealer as a fifth lead, but this cast is less iconic.
    “Cameron has given us like a Hudson as the 5th lead of your movie”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:14:17 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Avatar → Aliens. Avatar's side characters are fun but not as indelible as Aliens' Marines.
    “It's not like in aliens where you're like the 15th guy in aliens.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:14:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Avatar → Aliens. Making Aliens (a voiceless monster) is what let Cameron individualize the humans there and flip that in Avatar.
    “I wonder if he hadn't made aliens if he could have arrived at that.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:04:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Alien Resurrection → Aliens. In Aliens you see them fleetingly; in Resurrection animatronics let an alien stand in front of you for ten seconds.
    “But this is the 1st one where it's like, yeah, an alien's just standing in front of you.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:45:18 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Sigourney Weaver → Aliens. Weaver redefines Ripley in each film: throw it out, ball it up.
    “It's so telling that each of the 4 movies, she's like, throw it out, ball it up, redefine my character, give me new shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 1:05:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Aliens. The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Blue Steel → Aliens. The locker-room dressing scene is shot like the gear-up in Aliens.
    “shot like aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:10:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (franchise expectation): Aliens → Alien 3. The Cameron film is such an obvious high point that nobody can zag from it, except into despair.
    “Where the hell are you gonna zag from that?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:50:52 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

lineage (8)

  1. lineage (lineage): Avatar → Aliens. Cameron's 1995 pitch for Avatar was much closer to Aliens in tone.
    “It was much closer to aliens in tone.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:52:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 follows Aliens; watched back to back, Aliens ends on a new family that Alien 3 then kills.
    “you watch aliens and that has this ending of, you know, this new family that has been created.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:30:17 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (sequel / genre shift): Alien → Aliens. Cameron's sequel to Ridley Scott's film shifted the genre, which raised expectations for any follow-up.
    “some other fucking guy is coming in and making a sequel to Ridley Scott's movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:50:21 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Aliens. Aliens had Marines.
    “Aliens, you got Marines.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:29:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Aliens. The shoulder-mounted GoPro cameras are carried over from the Marines in Aliens.
    “which the Marines all have in aliens”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:40:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Aliens. The loader and airlock set piece homages the power loader fight in Aliens.
    “But something about this feels closer to the power loader fight.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 1:55:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (unmade sequel): Aliens → Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel. Blomkamp's unmade film would have followed Aliens directly.
    “an alien sequel that was a direct aliens sequel and ignoring everything that came after it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:32:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (performance echo): Mission: Impossible → Aliens. Cruise's panicked 'they knew we were coming' on the phone is compared to Bill Paxton in Aliens.
    “He's like fucking Bill Paxton and aliens in this scene.”
    The Rewatchables · 'Mission: Impossible' With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Jason Concepcion · 0:23:42 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (franchise pairing): Aliens → Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol. Both franchises are auteur-rich without one definitive director, which is why the Patreon series covered them.
    “Uh, but like Mission Impossible Aliens, perfect examples of franchises that uh, have a tours, but do not have one definitive director.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:09:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (3)

  1. theme (theme): Alien: Covenant → Aliens. Covenant is a haunted house about grief; even Ripley and Newt were more PTSD than grief.
    “Even Ripley and Newt were haunted by death.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:57:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Alien Resurrection → Aliens. Seeing Ripley cloned and cut open feels as cruel as Hicks and Newt dying off-screen at the start of the previous sequel.
    “this is the moment where I feel the way people describe the anger of Hicks and Newt getting killed at the beginning of alien cube.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:22:17 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. theme (character function): Charles Dance → Aliens. Dance's doctor combines the helper, enemy and android roles Reiser, Biehn and Henriksen played in Aliens.
    “He's kind of Paul Reiser, Michael Bean, and Lance Henrickson from Aliens in one character.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:29:45 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (2)

  1. unmapped (creature/set-piece comp): Resident Evil → Aliens. The elevator ascent and maternity ward pods recall Alien and Aliens; xenomorphs coming out of the wall.
    “this is really where a lot of the alien and aliens stuff starts to come in”
    The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips! · 0:58:53 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (scheduling conflict): Aliens → Full Metal Jacket. Rico Ross had to choose between two tyrannical directors with overlapping holds and picked Aliens.
    “And eventually it was just like, you're dealing with 2 different tyrannical control freaks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Full Metal Jacket with Jon Gabrus (Ad-Free) · 0:46:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Bill Paxton → Aliens. A proposed category: actors reprising a different character from their own filmography; Paxton just doing Hudson from Aliens and screaming Cows.
    “Bill Paxton from Aliens?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:40:53 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Aliens: Rico Ross had to pick Aliens over Kubrick's film because of overlapping holds.
    “Kubrick had an 8 week hold on him, and there was one week of overlap between aliens and full metal jacket”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Full Metal Jacket with Jon Gabrus (Ad-Free) · 0:46:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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