Hulk (2003)

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Wikidata Q696042, film, IMDb tt0286716, TMDB 1927: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the note “Ang Lee”.

Also said as Hulk (Ang Lee) (2003): the same Wikidata item, so listed here.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

No line says it drew on another film or person.

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

The Incredible Hulk: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Hulk ⇒ The Incredible Hulk (the host's read). Despite the reboot claim, the same three relationships (Hulk, Betty, Thunderbolt Ross) carry through, as does the South America opening.
    “And those 3 relationships feel very much on a continuity with everything that happens in English film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:06:37 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)

Connected to

The Incredible Hulk: 5 lines lineage ×2 verdict ×2 contrast ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Incredible Hulk → Hulk. Despite the reboot claim, the same three relationships (Hulk, Betty, Thunderbolt Ross) carry through, as does the South America opening.
    “And those 3 relationships feel very much on a continuity with everything that happens in English film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:06:37 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)

Ang Lee: 2 lines career ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Ang Lee → Hulk. Even in a Hulk movie he dislikes, Fennessey sees Lee chasing a battle between two sides of a man.
    “There's the 2 sides of a man that he's really interested in that.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:36:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Hulk. Domestic grosses of CTHD, Hulk, Life of Pi were very similar.
    “This Life of Pi and Hulk all ended up very similar.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:02:22 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

In the Cut: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): In the Cut → Hulk. Both were 2003 films that were derided on release; Hulk is called David's derided film of the year.
    “It was your derided film of 2000.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · In the Cut with Jourdain Searles (Ad-Free) · 0:09:37 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift → Hulk. Hulk-van talk reminds a speaker of Bow Wow's Hulk-fist BMW in Tokyo Drift.
    “And then, of course, in Fast and Furious, Tokyo Drift, Lil Bow Wow drives a whole car.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:42:44 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

The Ice Storm: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Hulk. After loving Hulk, a host went back to the Lee filmography and read The Ice Storm as the family psychodrama behind it.
    “And then this movie is like, oh, here's all the weird family psychodrama, which is already contextualized through the Marvel Comics prism.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:35:56 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)

Vanilla Sky: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (personal): Hulk → Vanilla Sky. The strongest example of defending a movie against dismissive friends in the speaker's adolescence was Ang Lee's Hulk, like defending Vanilla Sky.
    “Drew the line was Anglies Hulk.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:24:25 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Ang Lee → Hulk. Fennessey cites Lee's varied filmography, a superhero movie among martial arts, dramas and comedies.
    “He's made a superhero movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:09:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Hulk → The Incredible Hulk. Ang Lee's Hulk makes jumping and falling spiritual in the desert, while this film's rooftop jumping looks like the Flatiron District.
    “It's way cooler in the Angling Hulk when jumping and falling is like spiritual.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:46:28 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Hulk. Domestic grosses of CTHD, Hulk, Life of Pi were very similar.
    “This Life of Pi and Hulk all ended up very similar.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:02:22 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (3)

  1. lineage (lineage): The Incredible Hulk → Hulk. A speaker says the opening credits re-establish the origin so the film can claim to be a new beginning rather than a direct sequel to Ang Lee's film.
    “So this is why people say, oh, it this isn't a direct sequel to Angly because they make the...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:04:49 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): The Incredible Hulk → Hulk. Despite the reboot claim, the same three relationships (Hulk, Betty, Thunderbolt Ross) carry through, as does the South America opening.
    “And those 3 relationships feel very much on a continuity with everything that happens in English film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:06:37 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Hulk. After loving Hulk, a host went back to the Lee filmography and read The Ice Storm as the family psychodrama behind it.
    “And then this movie is like, oh, here's all the weird family psychodrama, which is already contextualized through the Marvel Comics prism.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:35:56 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): In the Cut → Hulk. Both were 2003 films that were derided on release; Hulk is called David's derided film of the year.
    “It was your derided film of 2000.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · In the Cut with Jourdain Searles (Ad-Free) · 0:09:37 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift → Hulk. Hulk-van talk reminds a speaker of Bow Wow's Hulk-fist BMW in Tokyo Drift.
    “And then, of course, in Fast and Furious, Tokyo Drift, Lil Bow Wow drives a whole car.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:42:44 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Ang Lee → Hulk. Even in a Hulk movie he dislikes, Fennessey sees Lee chasing a battle between two sides of a man.
    “There's the 2 sides of a man that he's really interested in that.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:36:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. theme (personal): Hulk → Vanilla Sky. The strongest example of defending a movie against dismissive friends in the speaker's adolescence was Ang Lee's Hulk, like defending Vanilla Sky.
    “Drew the line was Anglies Hulk.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:24:25 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

verdict (2)

  1. verdict (verdict): Hulk → The Incredible Hulk. Ruffalo, Bixby and Bana all share a haunted Banner; this film prioritizes action over that.
    “Right, but let's say, like Ruffalo, Bixby, and Bana all get the same thing that's most important, which is this guy's kind of haunted.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:25:34 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Hulk → The Incredible Hulk. Ang Lee's film is about four-person relationships so lack of scale works there; this one is a perfunctory action film.
    “No, and that's an asset to the Angli Hulk because it's just about those relationships.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:51:43 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Hulk: See the scene where Banner reveals he shot himself and the Hulk spat the bullet out; he stays calm by always being angry (1:12:30, then 1:54:08 payoff).
    “He shot himself in the head and he turned into the Hulk and the Hulk spit the bullet out.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:12:35 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Hulk: The hosts screened Ang Lee's Hulk on 35mm with James Schamus days before; a projectionist change-over was visible and the Q&A is on the Patreon feed.
    “That talk that Q&A will be released on this very Patreon feed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:01:10 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.