The Ice Storm (1997)

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The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey (2022-03-01):

Double feature

  1. pick Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice: A host pairs it as a satire of the early sexual revolution, set at its start where The Ice Storm sits at its tail end.
    “I think there's a really interesting movie to pair this movie with that's called Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.”
    unknown · 0:14:04

Most rewatchable scene

  1. floated The first dinner party scene, after the wine is spilled, with everyone seated next to a spouse they don't seem to like
    “The 1st dinner party scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:39:01
  2. floated Kevin Kline's affair reveal with Sigourney Weaver, where he babbles about golf and she says he's boring her
    “He's just babbling about golf and she says, You're boring me.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:39:30
  3. floated Kline left alone in Weaver's house, then coming down to find Elijah Wood and Christina Ricci and the Nixon mask
    “This is the Nixon Mass scene and Klein comes down.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:20
  4. floated The car ride to the key party with Kline and Joan Allen debating what will happen
    “The car ride to the key party with Kevin Klein and Joe Allen debating on whether they're, you know, what's going to happen.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:43:24
  5. floated Tearing up to Levon by Elton John as Katie Holmes passes out
    “I just love tearing Levon by Elton John.”
    unknown · 0:43:39
  6. pick The key party itself
    “The key party itself for rewatchable scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:45:32
  7. floated The whole electrocution scene at the end
    “But the whole electrocution scene is fucking tire.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:46:05
  8. floated Joan Allen at the book sale, where she meets the Reverend and then sees Wendy riding her bike
    “Which is Joan Allen at the, at the book sale, where she encounters the Reverend, and then she sees Wendy riding her bike.”
    unknown · 0:47:50
  9. floated Kline driving Tobey Maguire back from the train and talking about self-abuse
    “Kevin Klein driving Toby Maguire back from the train and talking about self-abuse.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:48:01
  10. pick The key party as the one rewatchable scene, agreed by the group
    “Key party is the one.”
    unknown · 0:48:11

Roger Ebert review · Reading what Roger Ebert said about the film.

  1. pick The Ice Storm: Four stars; Ebert called it satirical, funny and quietly observant, and it was his favorite of 97.
    “Four stars for this one.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:38:08

What aged the best · What about the movie holds up best.

  1. pick Key parties as a pop-culture gimmick, and CBS's Swingtown
    “Just the whole concept of key parties as a pop culture TV show movie gimmick, I think.”
    unknown · 0:50:09
  2. pick The one-step-up split-level living room in the client's house
    “Very 70s.”
    unknown · 0:50:43
  3. pick Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver, who played the president and first lady four years earlier, as an adulterous 70s couple
    “The weirdness in a good way of Kevin Klein and Sigourney Weaver, who played the president and the 1st lady 4 years earlier”
    Bill Simmons · 0:50:59
  4. pick The bong scene
    “I love bong scenes in movies”
    Bill Simmons · 0:51:14
  5. pick Posters on the boarding school room wall
    “I always like these period movies where you get to look on the walls and see what the set director's like”
    unknown · 0:52:49
  6. pick Francis and Paul, the roommates, as a gear shift
    “the roommates and their and their relationship, I think, is of much needed, like, kind of gear shift in this movie.”
    unknown · 0:52:57
  7. pick Sigourney Weaver
    “I just so rationally love Sigourney Weaver.”
    unknown · 0:53:33

Oscar pick · Who should have been nominated from a movie with no Oscar performances.

  1. winner Joan Allen as Elaine Hood: Hosts say she should have had Gloria Stuart's supporting actress spot.
    “Joan Allen.”
    unknown · 0:53:47

What aged the worst · What about the movie has dated badly.

  1. pick Water beds
    “Water beds.”
    unknown · 0:55:23
  2. pick Jim Carver's premature ejaculation: Jamey Sheridan's character.
    “So you, like, it literally aged the worst that he came too quickly.”
    unknown · 0:56:08

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a film they admire.

  1. pick Mikey's wide receiver play: Said to be the one moment that felt directed by someone who didn't grow up in America.
    “Is Mikey the worst wide receiver of all time?”
    unknown · 0:56:58
  2. pick A Nixon poster over a boarding school bed in 1973
    “Would someone in boarding school in 1973 really have a Nixon poster over their bed?”
    unknown · 1:14:38
  3. pick Jim Carver never asks if drunk Kevin Kline hit his son with his car
    “Isn't your instinct that drunk Kevin Klein hit him with his car?”
    unknown · 1:15:06
  4. pick How the key party is organized: a single reverend and a woman's son in attendance
    “I don't understand how the key party is organized.”
    unknown · 1:15:35
  5. pick Marlboro Lights, not invented until 1977, appear in the film: Also noted the MTA did not exist at the time.
    “Marlboro Lights, not invented till 1977.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:08:12

Casting what-ifs · Almost-castings and recasts.

  1. pick Natalie Portman as Wendy: Hosts glad Christina Ricci did it instead.
    “Natalie Portman turned down the role of Wendy.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:58:01
  2. pick Sharon Stone as Sigourney Weaver's part: Concluded Weaver is more believable as a suburban housewife.
    “Sharon Stone and the Sigourney Weaver part.”
    unknown · 1:02:54
  3. pick Harrison Ford as Kevin Kline's part
    “How about Harrison Ford instead of coin?”
    unknown · 1:04:04
  4. pick Macaulay Culkin as Elijah Wood's part
    “Yeah, what if we just swapped Elijah Wood for Macaulay Culkin?”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:04:56
  5. pick Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Reverend, or Jim Carver, or Paul
    “if we could have just worked Philip Seymour Hoffman into this movie somewhere, it would have been amazing.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:05:38
  6. pick Jeff Bridges or Nick Nolte as Jim Carver: Argues the Jim Carver part is the one to recast.
    “If that was like Jeff Bridges, you'd be like, oh, wow, this movie has a fucking event.”
    unknown · 1:06:42

Joey Pants Award · Best that guy.

  1. nominee Unnamed weather lady, the overlaugher from Sleepless in Seattle: Spotted by his wife.
    “It was the annoying overlaugher from Sleepless in Seattle who goes on the dates with Tom Hanks.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:59:09
  2. winner Michael Cumpsty as the Reverend: Plays priests often; flies into the side of the mountain at the key party.
    “His name is Michael Kumpstie.”
    unknown · 0:59:28

Vincent Hanna Award · Inverted this time: wanting more reaction from an underplaying actor.

  1. winner Jamey Sheridan as Jim Carver: Bill zagged into a new award for underreacting.
    “I wanted you to be a little more upset that your son just got electrocuted and you're looking at his dead body award for the guy at the end.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:00:45

Dion Waiters Award · Small role, big impact.

  1. winner Allison Janney as Dolores/Jenny
    “It's got to go to Jenny, guys.”
    unknown · 1:02:03
  2. nominee Henry Czerny as Hood neighbor taking the heavyset woman's keys: His look to the other guys.
    “Love Henry Cherney, but when he gets the keys of the heavyset woman”
    unknown · 1:02:21

Apex Mountain · Where a star's career sits on the mountain.

  1. pick Kevin Kline
    “Klein, no.”
    unknown · 1:08:41
  2. pick Sigourney Weaver
    “Weaver has this movie and Alien Resurrection same year, but I still would say no.”
    unknown · 1:08:44
  3. pick Ang Lee: Brokeback Mountain is his apex.
    “Angley no.”
    unknown · 1:09:05
  4. winner Joan Allen: Contested against The Bourne Supremacy and The Contender.
    “For the sake of this pot, I'll say this is her apex.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:12:08
  5. pick Tobey Maguire
    “Toby McGuire no.”
    unknown · 1:13:19
  6. pick Katie Holmes
    “Katie Holmes, no.”
    unknown · 1:13:20
  7. pick Key parties: Joke category.
    “Key parties, 100%, yes.”
    unknown · 1:13:22
  8. pick Premature ejaculation scenes
    “I'm still going Forrest Gump.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:14:08

Unanswered questions · Questions the movie leaves open.

  1. pick What happens to the two families, and to Sandy
    “What are the next few weeks, months, and years look like for both families?”
    unknown · 1:19:50
  2. pick Why didn't Jim Carver rub one out before the key party
    “Why didn't Jim Carver just rub one out before the key party?”
    unknown · 1:20:25
  3. pick Did anyone have a worse night in a movie than Jim Carver
    “Did anyone ever have a worse night in a movie than Jim Carver that didn't involve jail?”
    unknown · 1:21:13
  4. pick Did Paul have any chance with Libby
    “Did Paul have any chance with was Paul Toby McGuire's character?”
    unknown · 1:21:50

What if it were made today · Remaking it as a streaming series.

  1. pick A 10-episode Netflix show: Ideas included a 2-episode coda and one family per episode.
    “Could this be remade in the 10 episode Netflix show?”
    unknown · 1:17:34

Memorabilia · A prop they would own.

  1. pick The Nixon mask
    “It's got to be the Nixon mask, right?”
    unknown · 1:22:18
  2. pick One of Elijah Wood's sweaters
    “it's one of Elijah Wood's sweaters.”
    unknown · 1:22:20
  3. pick The football playbook from Mikey's game
    “That or the playbook from Elijah Woods football game.”
    unknown · 1:22:27
  4. pick Jim Carver's Buick
    “what about Jim Carver's Buick?”
    unknown · 1:22:43
  5. winner The key party bowl and fake keys
    “It's the key party bowl.”
    unknown · 1:22:51

Who won the movie · Who came out ahead from the film.

  1. nominee Ang Lee: It confirmed him as a major filmmaker in America.
    “I gotta go, Ang.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:23:01
  2. winner Joan Allen: Chosen because the movie flopped and it was a best dramatic performance outside The Contender.
    “I think it's Joan Allen”
    unknown · 1:25:12

Who talked about it

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What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Rick Moody's novel: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Rick Moody's novel ⇒ The Ice Storm (the host's read). Based on Rick Moody's 1994 book; the author cried at the end of a cut and said they got it.
    “It's based on Rick Moody's 1994 book, who saw a cut of it and cried at the end and was like, my God, they got it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:18 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Brady Bunch Movie: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Brady Bunch Movie ⇒ The Ice Storm (the host's read). Simmons traces a mid-90s wave of 70s nostalgia (Brady Bunch movies, Reality Bites) that led to harder looks like Ice Storm.
    “They make the Brady Bunch movie, which is a parody of the Brady Bunch.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:12:44 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Swingtown (TV): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Ice Storm ⇒ Swingtown (TV) (the host's read). Swingtown tried to tap the key party idea but belonged on Cinemax.
    “That show has to be on Cinemax.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:50:18 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Connected to

Annihilation: 4 lines theme ×2 craft ×2

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Annihilation. Emily says her teenage Ice Storm essay and her recent Annihilation essay reach the same conclusion.
    “So now I'm, I'm, I'm riding the, the ice storm is annihilation chip”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:10:11 · Emily Yoshida (0.90 sure it was them)

Brokeback Mountain: 3 lines craft ×1 theme ×1 programming ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Brokeback Mountain. Simmons says the two films share a vibe: sparse dialogue and the way Lee advances story and sets scenery.
    “They have no relation to each other at all.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:35:35 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Sense and Sensibility: 3 lines career ×2 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Sense and Sensibility. They were shooting The Ice Storm when Sense and Sensibility got its Oscar nominations.
    “But they said they were filming this when Sense and Sensibility got the Oscar nominations.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:21:31 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Swingtown (TV): 3 lines programming ×2 contrast ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → Swingtown (TV). Swingtown tried to tap the key party idea but belonged on Cinemax.
    “That show has to be on Cinemax.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:50:18 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

American Beauty: 2 lines industry ×1 lineage ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → American Beauty. Simmons thinks American Beauty blocked Ice Storm from a second wind; a B-grade version of it.
    “I always felt like American beauty kind of blocked this movie from having any kind of 2nd wind.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:24:05 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice. Emily watched Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice as a companion piece to The Ice Storm.
    “this relates to another movie I watched kind of as a companion piece to Ice Storm”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:26:19 · Emily Yoshida (0.75 sure it was them)

Fantastic Four: 2 lines theme ×1 what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The Ice Storm → Fantastic Four. Griffin wishes Ang Lee had been able to make a sad Fantastic Four movie.
    “this movie does make me wish that he gotten the chance to make a sad, fantastic four movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:34:30 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

Mad Men: 2 lines theme ×1 contrast ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Mad Men. Kevin Kline's out-of-step character parallels late-series Don Draper, uncool as the 70s change.
    “that's basically the Kevin Klein character in this, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:16:54 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

The Brady Bunch Movie: 2 lines lineage ×1 theme ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → The Brady Bunch Movie. Simmons traces a mid-90s wave of 70s nostalgia (Brady Bunch movies, Reality Bites) that led to harder looks like Ice Storm.
    “They make the Brady Bunch movie, which is a parody of the Brady Bunch.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:12:44 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)

The Full Monty: 2 lines industry ×2

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → The Full Monty. Weaver blamed Titanic and The Full Monty for taking art-house audiences from the film.
    “the other movie that she thought really undercut it was the full Monty.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:23:46 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

After Hours: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → After Hours. Simmons asks whether any movie character had a worse night than Jim Carver and cites After Hours.
    “Griffin Dunn in after hours or in competition for worse than true.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:21:39 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

American Pie: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → American Pie. Seen at 13 next to American Pie, the two give wildly different messages about sex.
    “Those are very different messages about sex in America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:15:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Basic Instinct: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Basic Instinct. Ryan says mass media (Basic Instinct) taught him about sex, like the kids learning from TV in this film.
    “mass media had taught me like the basic instinct and whatnot had taught me everything I needed to know.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:48:57 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Boogie Nights: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Boogie Nights. The key party built hype like Boogie Nights' reveal, the thing the audience waits for.
    “boogie nights is the same year and that had a whole thing about he's got a huge slong”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:05 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Deep Throat: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Deep Throat. Simmons sets the key party against eras of porn access, from Deep Throat in theaters to video stores.
    “deep throw comes out a year before, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:27:13 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

Do the Right Thing: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Do the Right Thing. The Ice Storm gets cold weather as right as Do the Right Thing gets hot weather, trading rage for malaise.
    “I think this movie gets cold weather as right as do the right thing gets hot weather.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:10:53 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

Forrest Gump: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Forrest Gump. Simmons calls Forrest Gump the old-school nostalgia version, like karaoke, before filmmakers dug deeper.
    “It's like nostalgic karaoke, basically.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:16:06 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Freaks and Geeks: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Freaks and Geeks. Recognizing the Ice Storm as a 40-something's nostalgia piece led to the same realization with Freaks and Geeks.
    “the next thing I remember thinking that about and having that realization about was, uh, was freaks and geeks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:14:22 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Gene Siskel: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Gene Siskel → The Ice Storm. Siskel named it his favorite movie of 1997.
    “It was Cisco's favorite movie of 97.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:21 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

Hulk: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Hulk. After loving Hulk, a host went back to the Lee filmography and read The Ice Storm as the family psychodrama behind it.
    “And then this movie is like, oh, here's all the weird family psychodrama, which is already contextualized through the Marvel Comics prism.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:35:56 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)

JFK: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → JFK. Ryan asks whether decades had to pass before America could tell the story, as Simmons said about Oliver Stone's JFK.
    “when we did the JFK pod, you talked a little bit about needing some time to go by for America to be ready to hear about that story”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:10:48 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

James Schamus: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): James Schamus → The Ice Storm. Schamus (as named James Seamus) read the novel before publication and brought it to Lee.
    “he James Seamus read this book, like, I think even before it was published, the book's published in 94, and he brings it to Angley”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:20:59 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Jaws: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Jaws. Simmons says the key party became the movie's marketing hook, like the shark in Jaws.
    “it's kind of became like Jaws where it's like, 0 my god, what's this thing going to look like?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:05 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Kevin Kline: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Kevin Kline → The Ice Storm. Kline's last good year in the movies is 1997.
    “This is his last good year.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:36:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Kramer vs. Kramer: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Kramer vs. Kramer. Both belong to Fucked Up Family February and trade on unspoken tension rather than action.
    “We were talking about last week with Kramer versus Kramer”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:30 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

LA Confidential, Titanic, Good Will Hunting, Boogie Nights (1997 slate): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → LA Confidential, Titanic, Good Will Hunting, Boogie Nights (1997 slate). Simmons says a late-1997 run of adult-oriented movies shows how different Hollywood was; today The Ice Storm would be an eight-episode Hulu series.
    “if the ice storm is made now, it's a freaking 8 episode Hulu thing and it sucks.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:04:27 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)

Landline: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Landline. The nostalgia wave moves a decade at a time: Landline is our generation's Ice Storm.
    “You get landline, which is our generation, the ice storm.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:14:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Michael Clayton: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Michael Clayton. Michael Clayton has several standalone scenes you watch when it airs; The Ice Storm must be seen as a whole.
    “The ice storm kind of needs to be seen as a total package.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:07:46 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Misery: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Misery → The Ice Storm. Rewatchable lane: riveted by acting and uniqueness, like The Ice Storm.
    “it's kind of on that ice storm lane of like, I'm just so riveted by how good the acting is”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:45:23 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

Nixon: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Nixon. Simmons says the nostalgia turned to re-examination in the mid-90s, citing Oliver Stone's Nixon.
    “So mid 90s, it starts to be like, hmm.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:13:48 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Philip Seymour Hoffman: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Philip Seymour Hoffman → The Ice Storm. Ryan wishes Hoffman could be in the film as the Reverend, Jim Carver, or Paul.
    “if we could have just worked Philip Seymour Hoffman into this movie somewhere, it would have been amazing.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:05:38 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Prestige TV (streaming series): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Prestige TV (streaming series). The film was made for adults in a pre-prestige-cable era; Ryan frames it as just before cable TV gets incredible.
    “It's before right before cable gets cable TV gets incredible and you start to get this revolution going on on HBO.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:05:52 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Presumed Innocent: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Presumed Innocent. Simmons notes Harrison Ford sex scenes (Presumed Innocent, Witness, Frantic) are stressed-out sex.
    “it's a lot of like, I'm really stressed out sex.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:04:45 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Pride and Prejudice: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Pride and Prejudice. A host says Lee learned to weaponize his English-language bluntness, maybe from Pride and Prejudice.
    “maybe this is something he learned doing Pride and Prejudice because people still talk about this today.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:59:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Pulp Fiction: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → Pulp Fiction. Next episodes will cover two famous movies; Ryan and Simmons tease Pulp Fiction.
    “I've been watching a lot of pulp fiction lately.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:27:53 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Rick Moody's novel: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Rick Moody's novel. Based on Rick Moody's 1994 book; the author cried at the end of a cut and said they got it.
    “It's based on Rick Moody's 1994 book, who saw a cut of it and cried at the end and was like, my God, they got it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:18 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Ride with the Devil: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): The Ice Storm → Ride with the Devil. Lee made two straight films about outsiders looking in on America at a crisis point, both starring Maguire.
    “I think it's very interesting that Angley made 2 movies in a row about America at a crisis point”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:34:09 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Roger Ebert: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → The Ice Storm. Ebert gave it four stars as satirical, funny and observant; Siskel also loved it.
    “Four stars for this one.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:08 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

Secret Admirer: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Secret Admirer → The Ice Storm. Secret Admirer is a teen movie that turns into couples with marital issues, like The Ice Storm.
    “There's Secret Admirer, which is a combination teen movie, but it's also like the ice storm.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Weird Science’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt · 0:05:24 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

The Contender: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Contender → The Ice Storm. Allen's best dramatic performance besides The Contender, which is problematic now.
    “this is probably her best dramatic performance other than the contender.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:25:12 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Doors: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → The Doors. Simmons ties The Doors (1991) to the era of re-examining 60s and 70s figures in the most fun way.
    “the doors, which we did in the rewatchables, that came out like 91”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:15:44 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

The Faculty: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): The Ice Storm → The Faculty. Ryan says Wood was awesome in The Faculty, while Simmons dismisses him as a bulging-eyes guy.
    “He was awesome in the faculty.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:05:31 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Squid and the Whale: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → The Squid and the Whale. Fennessey says Squid and the Whale was the biggest near-miss for Fucked Up Family February.
    “I think was probably the biggest one that could have made it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:26:54 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Fennessey places the film between Deep Throat (1972) and Texas Chain Saw (1974) as culture coarsened after Watergate.
    “This movie takes place right in between those 2 things.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:28:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Titanic: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Titanic. Fox had The Ice Storm and Titanic and The Full Monty in the same fall.
    “by Titanic and Falmonte, because Fox had those 2 films that fall.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:22:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

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career (4)

  1. career (career): The Ice Storm → The Faculty. Ryan says Wood was awesome in The Faculty, while Simmons dismisses him as a bulging-eyes guy.
    “He was awesome in the faculty.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:05:31 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Sense and Sensibility → The Ice Storm. After the Sense and Sensibility hit, Lee made the most depressing movie ever made, which got no Oscar nominations.
    “But before he made that decision, he was like, what if I make like the most depressing movie ever made?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:19:35 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): The Ice Storm → Sense and Sensibility. Lee wanted to make The Ice Storm first, but got hired onto Sense and Sensibility, delaying it.
    “So he wants to make it, and then he gets hired onto Sense and Sensibility.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:21:23 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): The Ice Storm → Ride with the Devil. Lee made two straight films about outsiders looking in on America at a crisis point, both starring Maguire.
    “I think it's very interesting that Angley made 2 movies in a row about America at a crisis point”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:34:09 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (10)

  1. contrast (contrast): Secret Admirer → The Ice Storm. Secret Admirer is a teen movie that turns into couples with marital issues, like The Ice Storm.
    “There's Secret Admirer, which is a combination teen movie, but it's also like the ice storm.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Weird Science’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt · 0:05:24 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Michael Clayton. Michael Clayton has several standalone scenes you watch when it airs; The Ice Storm must be seen as a whole.
    “The ice storm kind of needs to be seen as a total package.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:07:46 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Forrest Gump. Simmons calls Forrest Gump the old-school nostalgia version, like karaoke, before filmmakers dug deeper.
    “It's like nostalgic karaoke, basically.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:16:06 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Boogie Nights. The key party built hype like Boogie Nights' reveal, the thing the audience waits for.
    “boogie nights is the same year and that had a whole thing about he's got a huge slong”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:05 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Mad Men. Simmons notes Mad Men never had a key party, just chronic adultery.
    “Mad men never had the key party, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:50:22 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Presumed Innocent. Simmons notes Harrison Ford sex scenes (Presumed Innocent, Witness, Frantic) are stressed-out sex.
    “it's a lot of like, I'm really stressed out sex.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:04:45 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → After Hours. Simmons asks whether any movie character had a worse night than Jim Carver and cites After Hours.
    “Griffin Dunn in after hours or in competition for worse than true.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:21:39 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. contrast (contrast): The Contender → The Ice Storm. Allen's best dramatic performance besides The Contender, which is problematic now.
    “this is probably her best dramatic performance other than the contender.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:25:12 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → American Pie. Seen at 13 next to American Pie, the two give wildly different messages about sex.
    “Those are very different messages about sex in America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:15:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. contrast (contrast): The Ice Storm → Swingtown (TV). A host calls the key-party era a West Coast thing the Ice Storm characters only half understand.
    “It's a weird West Coast thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:11:54 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (6)

  1. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Jaws. Simmons says the key party became the movie's marketing hook, like the shark in Jaws.
    “it's kind of became like Jaws where it's like, 0 my god, what's this thing going to look like?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:05 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Brokeback Mountain. Simmons says the two films share a vibe: sparse dialogue and the way Lee advances story and sets scenery.
    “They have no relation to each other at all.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:35:35 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Do the Right Thing. The Ice Storm gets cold weather as right as Do the Right Thing gets hot weather, trading rage for malaise.
    “I think this movie gets cold weather as right as do the right thing gets hot weather.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:10:53 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Pride and Prejudice. A host says Lee learned to weaponize his English-language bluntness, maybe from Pride and Prejudice.
    “maybe this is something he learned doing Pride and Prejudice because people still talk about this today.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:59:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Annihilation. Emily reads the ice storm as the Shimmer: you go in or you go out, and Mikey goes in.
    “if you think about, if you think about the ice store being the shimmer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:23:48 · Emily Yoshida (0.85 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): The Ice Storm → Annihilation. Mikey's look of wonder at his death is likened to Natalie Portman's at the end of Annihilation.
    “much like Natalie Portman at the end of annihilation.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:26:04 · Emily Yoshida (0.50 sure it was them)

industry (8)

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → LA Confidential, Titanic, Good Will Hunting, Boogie Nights (1997 slate). Simmons says a late-1997 run of adult-oriented movies shows how different Hollywood was; today The Ice Storm would be an eight-episode Hulu series.
    “if the ice storm is made now, it's a freaking 8 episode Hulu thing and it sucks.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:04:27 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Prestige TV (streaming series). The film was made for adults in a pre-prestige-cable era; Ryan frames it as just before cable TV gets incredible.
    “It's before right before cable gets cable TV gets incredible and you start to get this revolution going on on HBO.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:05:52 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Deep Throat. Simmons sets the key party against eras of porn access, from Deep Throat in theaters to video stores.
    “deep throw comes out a year before, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:27:13 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → The Full Monty. Weaver blamed Titanic and The Full Monty for taking art-house audiences from the film.
    “the other movie that she thought really undercut it was the full Monty.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:23:46 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → American Beauty. Simmons thinks American Beauty blocked Ice Storm from a second wind; a B-grade version of it.
    “I always felt like American beauty kind of blocked this movie from having any kind of 2nd wind.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:24:05 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Sense and Sensibility. They were shooting The Ice Storm when Sense and Sensibility got its Oscar nominations.
    “But they said they were filming this when Sense and Sensibility got the Oscar nominations.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:21:31 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Titanic. Fox had The Ice Storm and Titanic and The Full Monty in the same fall.
    “by Titanic and Falmonte, because Fox had those 2 films that fall.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:22:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → The Full Monty. Fox's Oscar push for The Ice Storm got boxed out when they platformed The Full Monty the same way.
    “I think the thing they really got boned by was the full Monte.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:22:36 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (10)

  1. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Rick Moody's novel. Based on Rick Moody's 1994 book; the author cried at the end of a cut and said they got it.
    “It's based on Rick Moody's 1994 book, who saw a cut of it and cried at the end and was like, my God, they got it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:18 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → The Brady Bunch Movie. Simmons traces a mid-90s wave of 70s nostalgia (Brady Bunch movies, Reality Bites) that led to harder looks like Ice Storm.
    “They make the Brady Bunch movie, which is a parody of the Brady Bunch.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:12:44 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Nixon. Simmons says the nostalgia turned to re-examination in the mid-90s, citing Oliver Stone's Nixon.
    “So mid 90s, it starts to be like, hmm.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:13:48 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice. Fennessey pairs the 1969 Mazursky satire of the early sexual revolution with Ice Storm, which comes at the end of that era.
    “I think there's a really interesting movie to pair this movie with that's called Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:14:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → The Doors. Simmons ties The Doors (1991) to the era of re-examining 60s and 70s figures in the most fun way.
    “the doors, which we did in the rewatchables, that came out like 91”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:15:44 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Freaks and Geeks. Recognizing the Ice Storm as a 40-something's nostalgia piece led to the same realization with Freaks and Geeks.
    “the next thing I remember thinking that about and having that realization about was, uh, was freaks and geeks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:14:22 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Landline. The nostalgia wave moves a decade at a time: Landline is our generation's Ice Storm.
    “You get landline, which is our generation, the ice storm.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:14:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice. Emily watched Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice as a companion piece to The Ice Storm.
    “this relates to another movie I watched kind of as a companion piece to Ice Storm”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:26:19 · Emily Yoshida (0.75 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → Hulk. After loving Hulk, a host went back to the Lee filmography and read The Ice Storm as the family psychodrama behind it.
    “And then this movie is like, oh, here's all the weird family psychodrama, which is already contextualized through the Marvel Comics prism.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:35:56 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)
  10. lineage (lineage): The Ice Storm → American Beauty. The Ice Storm teens read as younger versions of Thora Birch and Wes Bentley in American Beauty.
    “these characters are like just the younger versions of Thorpe, Birch, and West Bentley and American beauty.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:17:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): James Schamus → The Ice Storm. Schamus (as named James Seamus) read the novel before publication and brought it to Lee.
    “he James Seamus read this book, like, I think even before it was published, the book's published in 94, and he brings it to Angley”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:20:59 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

programming (5)

  1. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → Swingtown (TV). Swingtown tried to tap the key party idea but belonged on Cinemax.
    “That show has to be on Cinemax.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:50:18 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Brokeback Mountain → The Ice Storm. Simmons eyes Brokeback Mountain as a contender for Fucked Up Family February 2023.
    “Brokeback Mountain is definitely one of the contenders.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:09:25 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → The Squid and the Whale. Fennessey says Squid and the Whale was the biggest near-miss for Fucked Up Family February.
    “I think was probably the biggest one that could have made it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:26:54 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): The Ice Storm → Pulp Fiction. Next episodes will cover two famous movies; Ryan and Simmons tease Pulp Fiction.
    “I've been watching a lot of pulp fiction lately.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:27:53 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. programming (programming): Swingtown (TV) → The Ice Storm. CBS's Swingtown was a third of the way to interesting and watered the key-party era down.
    “Wasn't that good, but it was sort of like a 3rd of the way to being interesting.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:07:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (10)

  1. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → JFK. Ryan asks whether decades had to pass before America could tell the story, as Simmons said about Oliver Stone's JFK.
    “when we did the JFK pod, you talked a little bit about needing some time to go by for America to be ready to hear about that story”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:10:48 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Mad Men. Kevin Kline's out-of-step character parallels late-series Don Draper, uncool as the 70s change.
    “that's basically the Kevin Klein character in this, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:16:54 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → The Brady Bunch Movie. Fennessey says the Brady Bunch movie made subtext into text, while Ice Storm stays subtext.
    “did take that subtext and make it text.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Fennessey places the film between Deep Throat (1972) and Texas Chain Saw (1974) as culture coarsened after Watergate.
    “This movie takes place right in between those 2 things.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:28:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Brokeback Mountain. The shared superpower is what is unsaid between characters; in both, characters feel lonely even with their partners.
    “This movie is all about what is unsaid between characters.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:36:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Kramer vs. Kramer. Both belong to Fucked Up Family February and trade on unspoken tension rather than action.
    “We were talking about last week with Kramer versus Kramer”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:30 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Basic Instinct. Ryan says mass media (Basic Instinct) taught him about sex, like the kids learning from TV in this film.
    “mass media had taught me like the basic instinct and whatnot had taught me everything I needed to know.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:48:57 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  8. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Annihilation. Emily says her teenage Ice Storm essay and her recent Annihilation essay reach the same conclusion.
    “So now I'm, I'm, I'm riding the, the ice storm is annihilation chip”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:10:11 · Emily Yoshida (0.90 sure it was them)
  9. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Annihilation. Emily and a host independently landed on the two films as the best visualizations of depression.
    “I think they're 2 of the films that best visualized depression.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:10:40 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  10. theme (theme): The Ice Storm → Fantastic Four. The Ice Storm's families map onto the Fantastic Four, with Joan Allen as Invisible Woman and Kevin Kline as Mr. Fantastic.
    “No, yeah, no, Joan Allen is Invisible Woman, and Kevin Klein is fucking Mr. Fate Desk.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:38:07 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)

verdict (4)

  1. verdict (verdict): Misery → The Ice Storm. Rewatchable lane: riveted by acting and uniqueness, like The Ice Storm.
    “it's kind of on that ice storm lane of like, I'm just so riveted by how good the acting is”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:45:23 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → The Ice Storm. Ebert gave it four stars as satirical, funny and observant; Siskel also loved it.
    “Four stars for this one.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:08 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Gene Siskel → The Ice Storm. Siskel named it his favorite movie of 1997.
    “It was Cisco's favorite movie of 97.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:38:21 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  4. verdict (verdict): Kevin Kline → The Ice Storm. Kline's last good year in the movies is 1997.
    “This is his last good year.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:36:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): Philip Seymour Hoffman → The Ice Storm. Ryan wishes Hoffman could be in the film as the Reverend, Jim Carver, or Paul.
    “if we could have just worked Philip Seymour Hoffman into this movie somewhere, it would have been amazing.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:05:38 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): The Ice Storm → Fantastic Four. Griffin wishes Ang Lee had been able to make a sad Fantastic Four movie.
    “this movie does make me wish that he gotten the chance to make a sad, fantastic four movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:34:30 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about The Ice Storm: Simmons says there is hardly any rewatchable scene beyond the key party; it works as a whole.
    “There's really almost no rewatchable scenes other than, um, other than the key party.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:03:10 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about The Ice Storm: The key party was the sales hook of the film, but the last 25 minutes feel like a drill to the head.
    “The last 25 minutes is like being, uh, having a drill put to the side of your head.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:07:18 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The Ice Storm: Structure: crosscutting among three storylines makes it a poem rather than short stories.
    “it's more of like a poem than it is short stories, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:01 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about The Ice Storm: Ryan loves the film's dark, funny undercurrent: it is a satire with tragedy.
    “It's got a really dark, funny undercurrent to it that you kind of have to give yourself over to.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:10:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about The Ice Storm: Fennessey notes the opening reading of the Fantastic Four as nearly announcing its theme: four family members at the end.
    “you have a character open the movie reading the Fantastic Four.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:35 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about The Ice Storm: The kids' trance in front of the television shows mass media taking over minds.
    “the hypnotic power of television.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:18:08 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about The Ice Storm: Box office: $18 million budget, about $8 million gross, likely the least successful film in the series.
    “I think out of all the movies we've done, this might have been the least successful at the box office.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:20:48 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about The Ice Storm: Simmons would have wanted the key party to run an hour, or as a two-parter on Hulu.
    “am I wrong to think that could have been an hour of this movie?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:22:10 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about The Ice Storm: The key party as a sports broadcast: Nance and Romo calling it.
    “I think Nance and Romo.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:23:26 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about The Ice Storm: Ryan on the key party's fumbling: everyone is scared or confused except Jenny.
    “the funny thing about the key party to me is just how fumbling it is.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:25:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about The Ice Storm: Nixon haunts the film: poster next to the bed, a speech, and a Nixon mask on the teens.
    “Nixon has a funny relationship to this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:30:38 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about The Ice Storm: Rewatchable scene: the Nixon mask scene is one of the most unnerving in a non-horror film.
    “It's one of the most unnerving scenes in a non-horror movie in film history.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:41:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about The Ice Storm: Ryan's Elton John story: a college friend kept replaying Levon, unaware Ryan was home sick.
    “And it became a running joke for 35 years.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:45:20 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about The Ice Storm: Simmons casts football analysis: only time the film felt directed by someone who did not grow up in America.
    “That's the only time in the movie that I felt like it was definitely directed by somebody who didn't grow up in America.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:57:22 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about The Ice Storm: Simmons says Henry Czerny gets the Dion Waiters Award for his look at the key party.
    “that's a great Dion Waiters moment.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:02:38 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about The Ice Storm: Lee said what attracted him to the book was the climax and the family reunion the next morning.
    “the book movement at those 2 points, I knew there was a movie there.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:07:34 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  17. fun, about The Ice Storm: Anachronism: the MTA did not exist at the time, and Marlboro Lights were not invented until 1977.
    “Marlboro Lights, not invented till 1977.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:08:12 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  18. fun, about The Ice Storm: Key party rules: no solos, no reverends, no sons or daughters with the parents.
    “rule number one would be no solos at the key party.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:16:54 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  19. fun, about The Ice Storm: Memorabilia pick: the Nixon mask, Elijah Wood's sweaters, or the key party bowl of keys.
    “It's got to be the Nixon mask, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:22:18 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  20. fun, about The Ice Storm: Winner of the movie: Ang Lee and Joan Allen; Ang's confirmation as a major filmmaker.
    “it confirms him as a major filmmaker.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:23:22 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  21. fun, about The Ice Storm: Fucked Up Family February's next-year list: Squid and the Whale, Over the Top, Margot at the Wedding.
    “Over the top was Slice Stallone, the greatest arm wrestling divorce movie ever”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:26:57 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  22. fun, about The Ice Storm: The sound design sells the cold, down to flexing frozen boots.
    “And also, this movie does not get enough credit for how good the sound is.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:11:33 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  23. fun, about The Ice Storm: Most of the ice was plastic or gel; hairspray was used for frosting; they shot it in spring.
    “most of when you see ice in the film, it's like plastic or when it's wet, it's gel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:12:00 · Emily Yoshida (0.60 sure it was them)
  24. fun, about The Ice Storm: Boots crunch detail: Elijah Wood's steps.
    “not just the crunch of the ice under the boots, but the crunch of the boots are so frozen that flexing the boots.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:12:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  25. fun, about The Ice Storm: The DVD trailer sold it as everyone sleeping with everyone.
    “There's a trailer that's on the DVD that's like, uh, it's it's very like everyone can't stop sleeping with everyone else.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:23:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  26. fun, about The Ice Storm: Weaver won the BAFTA for a small role.
    “She won the BAFTA, which is bizarre.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:24:29 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  27. fun, about The Ice Storm: A film-ratings chart in a magazine described the Ice Storm's genitalia scene.
    “They said 2 children show each other, go into a bathroom and show each other their genitalia.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:34:02 · Emily Yoshida (0.50 sure it was them)
  28. fun, about The Ice Storm: The film opens with Paul reading Fantastic Four on the stalled train.
    “Because the movie fucking opens with the Fantastic Four.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:36:04 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)
  29. fun, about The Ice Storm: Lee found a funnier cut, then heard the score and went sadder.
    “there's a funnier version of this movie that's maybe a little more heightened.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:02:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  30. fun, about The Ice Storm: The cut ran 2.5 hours for a long time.
    “apparently this movie was 2.5 hours for a long time.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:02:24 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  31. fun, about The Ice Storm: Kline threw his back out, so the Nixon-mask carry became a forward piggyback.
    “Kevin Klein had thrown his back out like the day before.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:16:03 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  32. fun, about The Ice Storm: Kline's bird-and-bees talk skips straight to self-abuse.
    “just don't jerk off in the shower because we expect you to.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 1:28:51 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

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