Gladiator II

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Gladiator: 6 lines the host's read ×6

  1. lineage (lineage): Gladiator ⇒ Gladiator II (the host's read). The sequel is very similar in structure and story to the original.
    “it's pretty well known that this movie is very similar in structure and story to the original.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

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What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

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Connected to

Gladiator: 8 lines lineage ×4 craft ×2 contrast ×1 what-if ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Gladiator II brings back the original film's cinematographer, John Mathieson, as part of a returning crew.
    “The cinematographer, John Matheson, is back.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

Top Gun: Maverick: 2 lines industry ×1 verdict ×1

  1. industry (industry): Gladiator II → Top Gun: Maverick. Chris expected Gladiator II to be a Top Gun: Maverick-level event with repeat viewings, and is only halfway right.
    “I remember earlier this year just being like, this is going to be Top Gun Maverick.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:13:51 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Wicked: 2 lines programming ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Gladiator II → Wicked. Gladiator II opens the same weekend as Wicked, which will be a sensation.
    “This is opening the same weekend as Wicked, which is going to be a sensation.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:10:53 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Anora: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Gladiator II → Anora. Anora's idea that there is no dream undercuts Macrinus's rise from nothing to the top.
    “one of the key ideas of Anora is like, There is no dream.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:09:25 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Apocalypse Now: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Apocalypse Now. Sean demands real animals, citing the tiger in Apocalypse Now.
    “You're not responding like the way Frederick Forrest responds to the tiger in apocalypse now”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:38:38 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Before Midnight: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Before Midnight. Chris wanted Gladiator II to have the guts of Before Midnight, with the couple together and unhappy.
    “Everything that I'm kind of like asking for from Gladiator 2 where I was like, have some guts”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:35:07 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Conclave: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Gladiator II → Conclave. Both films feel resonant with the election cycle without mapping neatly.
    “the same way that conclave, which is like so heavily leaning into like, hey, isn't this just like this election cycle?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:47:12 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

HBO's Rome: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → HBO's Rome. Focusing on the Roman people would make it HBO's Rome, which isn't this film.
    “then you're just sort of like this isn't HBO's Rome.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:45:37 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Jurassic World: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Jurassic World. CGI animals pull it out of the film into Jurassic World 6.
    “I was like, okay, so we're just like in Jurassic World 6.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:39:43 · Mallory Rubin (0.40 sure it was them)

King Kong: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → King Kong. Peter Jackson's King Kong shows CGI animals done with care.
    “I really like Peter Jackson's King Kong.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:39:23 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)

Napoleon: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Gladiator II → Napoleon. Gladiator II is equivalent to Napoleon in being messy, but expectations differed.
    “I actually think that this movie is equivalent to Napoleon, but my expectations were low on Napoleon, and they were high on Gladiator 2.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:11:38 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Prometheus: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Prometheus. Macrinus's rise is Scott with the safety off, like Prometheus's birth sequence.
    “This is actually the Ridley Scott with the safety off thing, the Prometheus, um, you know, uh, birth sequence”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:26:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Superman: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Superman. That version would be like if Lex Luthor could control Superman.
    “It would be like if Lex Luthor could control Superman.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:23:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Training Day: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Training Day → Gladiator II. A colleague called Gladiator II a prequel to Training Day.
    “Adam called this a prequel to training day.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:57:19 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

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What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Gladiator II → Napoleon. Gladiator II is equivalent to Napoleon in being messy, but expectations differed.
    “I actually think that this movie is equivalent to Napoleon, but my expectations were low on Napoleon, and they were high on Gladiator 2.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:11:38 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel tries to feel new by flipping the first film's premise: Marcus Aurelius's dream of Rome becomes its failure.
    “Instead of here's Marcus Aurelius's dream of what Rome can be, it's a bastardization and a compromise and a failure to execute against that promise.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:21:30 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)

craft (7)

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Gladiator II brings back the original film's cinematographer, John Mathieson, as part of a returning crew.
    “The cinematographer, John Matheson, is back.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Prometheus. Macrinus's rise is Scott with the safety off, like Prometheus's birth sequence.
    “This is actually the Ridley Scott with the safety off thing, the Prometheus, um, you know, uh, birth sequence”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:26:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Apocalypse Now. Sean demands real animals, citing the tiger in Apocalypse Now.
    “You're not responding like the way Frederick Forrest responds to the tiger in apocalypse now”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:38:38 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Gladiator II → King Kong. Peter Jackson's King Kong shows CGI animals done with care.
    “I really like Peter Jackson's King Kong.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:39:23 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Jurassic World. CGI animals pull it out of the film into Jurassic World 6.
    “I was like, okay, so we're just like in Jurassic World 6.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:39:43 · Mallory Rubin (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Gladiator II → HBO's Rome. Focusing on the Roman people would make it HBO's Rome, which isn't this film.
    “then you're just sort of like this isn't HBO's Rome.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:45:37 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Lucius as Maximus's son is a classic retcon not in the first film's text.
    “it is, is a classic case of reconning.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:53:58 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (2)

  1. industry (industry): Gladiator II → Top Gun: Maverick. Chris expected Gladiator II to be a Top Gun: Maverick-level event with repeat viewings, and is only halfway right.
    “I remember earlier this year just being like, this is going to be Top Gun Maverick.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:13:51 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Gladiator II → Wicked. Gladiator II opens the same weekend as Wicked, which will be a sensation.
    “This is opening the same weekend as Wicked, which is going to be a sensation.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:10:53 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (4)

  1. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel is very similar in structure and story to the original.
    “it's pretty well known that this movie is very similar in structure and story to the original.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel's plot, structure, approach and pacing mirror the first, forcing a one-to-one comparison.
    “it's just the movie is so similar to the 1st one in terms of plot, structure, approach, focus, pacing.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:15:52 · Mallory Rubin (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Because it mirrors the first film, outcomes for characters become predictable by inversion.
    “I almost felt like it became impossible not to know what was going to happen to certain people”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:21:39 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Lucius's hand in the grain is a callback to Maximus's hand in the wheat.
    “And it's an obvious callback to Maximus walking through the kind of afterlife feeling the wheat.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:52:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Training Day → Gladiator II. A colleague called Gladiator II a prequel to Training Day.
    “Adam called this a prequel to training day.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:57:19 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (programming): Gladiator II → Wicked. Gladiator II's CGI baboons made it feel like being dumped into Wicked.
    “I actually felt like we got dumped into Wicked or something, you know?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:37:13 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Gladiator II → Conclave. Both films feel resonant with the election cycle without mapping neatly.
    “the same way that conclave, which is like so heavily leaning into like, hey, isn't this just like this election cycle?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:47:12 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Gladiator II → Anora. Anora's idea that there is no dream undercuts Macrinus's rise from nothing to the top.
    “one of the key ideas of Anora is like, There is no dream.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:09:25 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Gladiator II → Top Gun: Maverick. Gladiator II will do well but not drive the repeat business Top Gun: Maverick did.
    “I do not think this is the repeat business.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:16:55 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Make Gladiator from Oliver Reed's perspective: Macrinus, who wants to upend Roman society.
    “The pitch could have been, we're going to do Gladiator from Oliver Reed's perspective.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:23:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Superman. That version would be like if Lex Luthor could control Superman.
    “It would be like if Lex Luthor could control Superman.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:23:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Before Midnight. Chris wanted Gladiator II to have the guts of Before Midnight, with the couple together and unhappy.
    “Everything that I'm kind of like asking for from Gladiator 2 where I was like, have some guts”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:35:07 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Gladiator II: Mallory ate a five-piece chicken tender meal at an AMC while watching the long movie.
    “I got a 5 piece chicken tender at Peter.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:14:46 · Mallory Rubin (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Gladiator II: Chris and Mallory could not shake the sense that the plot was a flipped copy of Gladiator, with Macrinus as the real engine of the film.
    “Instead of here's Marcus Aurelius's dream of what Rome can be, it's a bastardization and a compromise and a failure to execute against that promise.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:21:30 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Gladiator II: The sharks: the panel jokes that a Roman catching, let alone transporting, a dozen sharks is unlikely.
    “It has been declared that the likelihood of anyone during the Roman Empire Times catching a shark, let alone transporting it.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:36:50 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Gladiator II: The CGI baboons, rhinoceros and sharks were the least successful set pieces; the intimate fights, like the emperor's party, worked best.
    “The baboons was just CGI.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:37:10 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Gladiator II: Sean's challenge: if you want animal fights, let wild baboons attack Paul Mescal for real, like method acting.
    “What happened to method acting in this industry?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:38:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Gladiator II: Lucius being Maximus's son: Maximus slept with Lucilla while having his own kid, which the panel finds funny in a strength-and-honor way.
    “Well, it's also just like, that means Maximus was like fucking Lucilla right when he was having his own kid.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:50:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Gladiator II: Mallory notes the film now says Lucius is Commodus's kid too, an incest angle lightly suggested before.
    “The much more transgressive idea is that he's Commodus' kid, a product of incest.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:51:35 · Mallory Rubin (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Gladiator II: Mallory compares the Macrinus-Lucius fight and its idle armies to Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson: you always knew who would win.
    “how perfectly this mirrors the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight the end of this film.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:02:23 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Gladiator II: Real monkey business: Dondus the monkey really did nibble fruit and, per the panel, relieve himself on Fred Hechinger's shoulder.
    “That was a monkey shitting on Fred Heckinger's shoulder.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:18:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

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