Gladiator (2000)

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Wikidata Q128518, film, IMDb tt0172495, TMDB 98: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Russell Crowe as actor (Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman); 3 more episodes agree.

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Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Spartacus: 3 lines the host's read ×3

  1. lineage (riff / imitation): Spartacus ⇒ Gladiator (the host's read). Richard, seeing Spartacus for the first time, says it is the main thing Gladiator riffs on.
    “this is really the main thing the gladiators are riffing on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:03:34 · Richard Lawson (0.60 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Gladiator II: 6 lines the host's read ×6

  1. lineage (lineage): Gladiator ⇒ Gladiator II (the host's read). The sequel is very similar in structure and story to the original.
    “it's pretty well known that this movie is very similar in structure and story to the original.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Kingdom of Heaven: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (followed): Gladiator ⇒ Kingdom of Heaven (the host's read). Ridley tried to repeat Gladiator with Kingdom of Heaven and again later.
    “And even Ridley tried to do it. Kingdom of Heaven. Two more times.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Troy: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (followed): Gladiator ⇒ Troy (the host's read). Troy coasts off the goodwill from Gladiator.
    “Troy is the one that coasts off of the Goodwill from Gladiator”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Connected to

Gladiator II: 8 lines lineage ×4 craft ×2 contrast ×1 what-if ×1

  1. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Gladiator II brings back the original film's cinematographer, John Mathieson, as part of a returning crew.
    “The cinematographer, John Matheson, is back.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

Spartacus: 4 lines unmapped ×2 lineage ×1 people ×1

  1. lineage (riff / imitation): Spartacus → Gladiator. Richard, seeing Spartacus for the first time, says it is the main thing Gladiator riffs on.
    “this is really the main thing the gladiators are riffing on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:03:34 · Richard Lawson (0.60 sure it was them)

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: 2 lines industry ×2

  1. industry (industry): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Gladiator. The Oscar race looked even between Gladiator, Traffic and CTHD.
    “But I feel like people thought it was a pretty even race between gladiator traffic and crouching tiger that it could go any one of the 3 ways.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:47:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Joaquin Phoenix: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Joaquin Phoenix → Gladiator. Chris likes Phoenix's Gladiator performance.
    “I'll say, I really appreciated his performance in Gladiator.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:05:43 · Chris Gethard (0.60 sure it was them)

Kingdom of Heaven: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (followed): Gladiator → Kingdom of Heaven. Ridley tried to repeat Gladiator with Kingdom of Heaven and again later.
    “And even Ridley tried to do it. Kingdom of Heaven. Two more times.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (marketing-pitch): Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World → Gladiator. The pitch to adults was 'Russell Crowe doing Gladiator on a boat', which should have meant an automatic 40 million opening.
    “we've got Russell Crowe doing gladiator on a boat.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 3:02:25 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Paul Mescal: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Paul Mescal → Gladiator. Lucius's feats never match the first time we see Maximus against the Germanic tribe.
    “never really match up to the 1st time we see Maximus against the Germanic tribe.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:29:30 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Ridley Scott: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Ridley Scott → Gladiator. Screenwriter John Logan, brought on to Covenant, had worked with Scott on Gladiator.
    “And so they bring in John Logan, who worked with Ridley Scott on Gladiator.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:09:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Spider-Man: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (release-date history): Spider-Man → Gladiator. Gladiator showed May could open a movie; Spider-Man made May the preferred month.
    “Spider-Man has the biggest weekend of all time in May, and then I think officially may becomes the month you want to release it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · An Angel at My Table with Dana Stevens · 1:47:41 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The 13th Warrior: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Gladiator. Banderas was supposedly cast here and so dropped out of Gladiator, which was built for him.
    “And it's because of fucking Benderas being cast in the wrong movie, which causes him to drop out of the right movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:08:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

The Insider: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): The Insider → Gladiator. Russell Crowe inverts his Gladiator body into a dad bod in The Insider.
    “changing his gladiator bod to dad bod.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:56:17 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Lord of the Rings: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Gladiator → The Lord of the Rings. Gladiator came right before Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Spider-Man changed summer blockbusters.
    “And it's right before Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Spider-Man.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:11:26 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Troy: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (followed): Gladiator → Troy. Troy coasts off the goodwill from Gladiator.
    “Troy is the one that coasts off of the Goodwill from Gladiator”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Woody Strode: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (character echo): Woody Strode → Gladiator. Speaker imagines Ridley Scott deciding to keep the Draba-type character alive the whole movie.
    “Ridley Scott was like, what if we keep him alive the whole movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:13:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (2)

  1. contrast (contrast): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel tries to feel new by flipping the first film's premise: Marcus Aurelius's dream of Rome becomes its failure.
    “Instead of here's Marcus Aurelius's dream of what Rome can be, it's a bastardization and a compromise and a failure to execute against that promise.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:21:30 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Paul Mescal → Gladiator. Lucius's feats never match the first time we see Maximus against the Germanic tribe.
    “never really match up to the 1st time we see Maximus against the Germanic tribe.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:29:30 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (3)

  1. craft (craft): Joaquin Phoenix → Gladiator. Chris likes Phoenix's Gladiator performance.
    “I'll say, I really appreciated his performance in Gladiator.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:05:43 · Chris Gethard (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Gladiator II brings back the original film's cinematographer, John Mathieson, as part of a returning crew.
    “The cinematographer, John Matheson, is back.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Lucius as Maximus's son is a classic retcon not in the first film's text.
    “it is, is a classic case of reconning.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:53:58 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (5)

  1. industry (marketing-pitch): Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World → Gladiator. The pitch to adults was 'Russell Crowe doing Gladiator on a boat', which should have meant an automatic 40 million opening.
    “we've got Russell Crowe doing gladiator on a boat.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 3:02:25 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (release-date history): Spider-Man → Gladiator. Gladiator showed May could open a movie; Spider-Man made May the preferred month.
    “Spider-Man has the biggest weekend of all time in May, and then I think officially may becomes the month you want to release it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · An Angel at My Table with Dana Stevens · 1:47:41 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Gladiator → The Lord of the Rings. Gladiator came right before Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Spider-Man changed summer blockbusters.
    “And it's right before Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Spider-Man.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:11:26 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Gladiator. The Oscar race looked even between Gladiator, Traffic and CTHD.
    “But I feel like people thought it was a pretty even race between gladiator traffic and crouching tiger that it could go any one of the 3 ways.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:47:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Gladiator. Gladiator beat CTHD for Best Picture with 12 nominations to 10.
    “Glad you got 12.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:48:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (5)

  1. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel is very similar in structure and story to the original.
    “it's pretty well known that this movie is very similar in structure and story to the original.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:06:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. The sequel's plot, structure, approach and pacing mirror the first, forcing a one-to-one comparison.
    “it's just the movie is so similar to the 1st one in terms of plot, structure, approach, focus, pacing.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:15:52 · Mallory Rubin (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Because it mirrors the first film, outcomes for characters become predictable by inversion.
    “I almost felt like it became impossible not to know what was going to happen to certain people”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:21:39 · Mallory Rubin (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Lucius's hand in the grain is a callback to Maximus's hand in the wheat.
    “And it's an obvious callback to Maximus walking through the kind of afterlife feeling the wheat.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:52:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (riff / imitation): Spartacus → Gladiator. Richard, seeing Spartacus for the first time, says it is the main thing Gladiator riffs on.
    “this is really the main thing the gladiators are riffing on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:03:34 · Richard Lawson (0.60 sure it was them)

people (3)

  1. people (people): The Insider → Gladiator. Russell Crowe inverts his Gladiator body into a dad bod in The Insider.
    “changing his gladiator bod to dad bod.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:56:17 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. people (casting approach): Spartacus → Gladiator. Gladiator, like Spartacus, is loaded with supporting actors who are thespian gems, which the speaker says Scott recognized.
    “as Ridley Scott recognized about this movie, is like loaded up with supporting actors who are like just thespian gems.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:33:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): Ridley Scott → Gladiator. Screenwriter John Logan, brought on to Covenant, had worked with Scott on Gladiator.
    “And so they bring in John Logan, who worked with Ridley Scott on Gladiator.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:09:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (character echo): Woody Strode → Gladiator. Speaker imagines Ridley Scott deciding to keep the Draba-type character alive the whole movie.
    “Ridley Scott was like, what if we keep him alive the whole movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:13:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

unmapped (4)

  1. unmapped (scene reused): Spartacus → Gladiator. The trident thrown into the stands in Spartacus is in Gladiator too, with Russell Crowe doing it.
    “that's literally in Gladiator.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:14:49 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (compared endings): Spartacus → Gladiator. Spartacus does not Hollywoodize its ending; Gladiator at least lets its hero go to heaven.
    “Because, I mean, like Gladiator at least sort of lets him go to heaven.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:33:00 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (followed): Gladiator → Kingdom of Heaven. Ridley tried to repeat Gladiator with Kingdom of Heaven and again later.
    “And even Ridley tried to do it. Kingdom of Heaven. Two more times.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (followed): Gladiator → Troy. Troy coasts off the goodwill from Gladiator.
    “Troy is the one that coasts off of the Goodwill from Gladiator”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 2:06:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): Gladiator II → Gladiator. Make Gladiator from Oliver Reed's perspective: Macrinus, who wants to upend Roman society.
    “The pitch could have been, we're going to do Gladiator from Oliver Reed's perspective.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:23:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Gladiator. Banderas was supposedly cast here and so dropped out of Gladiator, which was built for him.
    “And it's because of fucking Benderas being cast in the wrong movie, which causes him to drop out of the right movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:08:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Gladiator: Raftery says he hears Elizabeth Taylor saying 'Gladiator' weekly, more than he thinks about the film.
    “I'm not kidding when I say that I hear Liz Taylor saying gladiator in my head at least once a week.”
    The Big Picture · 1. ‘Bring It On’ and ‘Donnie Darko’ | Mission Accomplished · 0:15:21 · Brian Raftery (0.95 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Gladiator: Joaquin Phoenix's rise, Crowe's peak and patching together Oliver Reed's performance after his death made it lightning in a bottle.
    “Like, you know, being able to patch together the Oliver Reed performance, even though he passes away during production.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:10:35 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Gladiator: Chris calls the original arguably the last truly practical blockbuster, right before Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Spider-Man.
    “it's arguably the last truly practical blockbuster.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:11:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Gladiator: The never-made Nick Cave sequel, where Maximus fights his way through hell, still floats around online.
    “You can see online still, where Maximus fights his way through hell.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 0:12:50 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Gladiator: Banderas was reportedly cast here instead of Gladiator, which starts with a Spaniard played by Russell Crowe.
    “Gladiator starts with Russell Crowe being like, of course I'm a Spaniard.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:08:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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