Mank (2020)
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Wikidata Q73093591, film, IMDb tt10618286, TMDB 614560: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 4 more episodes agree.
What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.
Who talked about it
Blank Check — Patreon
- David Sims: 9 lines in Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free)
- Griffin Newman: 7 lines in Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free)
- Sean Fennessey: 6 lines in Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free)
- Unattributed: 6 lines, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
The Big Picture
- Sean Fennessey: 9 lines in Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’
- Amanda Dobbins: 2 lines in Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture
- Adam Nayman: 1 line in ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More
Came from
What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
Citizen Kane: 2 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×1
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lineage (visual influence):
Citizen Kane ⇒ Mank (the maker said so: David's interview with cinematographer Erik Messerschmidt).
Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
“He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)
Jack Fincher: 1 line the maker said so ×1
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lineage (script origin):
Jack Fincher ⇒ Mank (the maker said so: Fincher's own account as read from the dossier (outlet not named)).
Fincher's father wrote the original Mank script, which David set aside until years later.
“I'm handed this script that my dad wrote about all powerful directors ruining storytelling”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:48:09 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
The Lost Weekend: 1 line the host's read ×1
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craft (visual echo):
The Lost Weekend ⇒ Mank (the host's read).
The election-night drunk sequence in Mank is called self-consciously reminiscent of The Lost Weekend.
“almost self-consciously reminiscent of the last the lost weekend”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 2:03:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
Led to
What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.
No line says another film or person drew on it.
Connected to
The Killer: 5 lines unmapped ×2 people ×2 industry ×1
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unmapped (self-portrait):
The Killer → Mank.
Mank and The Killer both read as self-allegory about a talented guy and his financiers; both are emotional about art and voice in an industry.
“speaking of Mank, you know, what if you missed? You know, what if you're a really talented guy and your financiers? So like, hey, that didn't go so well.”
The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:48:34 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)
Citizen Kane: 3 lines lineage ×2 craft ×1
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lineage (visual influence):
Citizen Kane → Mank.
Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
“He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)
David Fincher: 3 lines contrast ×1 craft ×1 unmapped ×1
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craft (craft):
Mank → David Fincher.
Fincher shot and cut Mank to look like a 1940s film.
“he has shot this film to look like a film from the 1940s and the trailer has been cut to look like a film from the 1940s”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:02:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
RKO 281: 3 lines unmapped ×2 people ×1
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unmapped (rosebud theory):
RKO 281 → Mank.
David asks whether Mank's denial of the Rosebud explanation answers RKO 281; Sean says it is a really popular theory instead.
“Do you think that's just directly responding to a 20-year-old HBO TV movie”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:42:23 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
The Social Network: 3 lines people ×2 unmapped ×1
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people (same director / awards cautionary):
Mank → The Social Network.
Fincher's perverse films are hits but the Academy snubs them, as when The Social Network lost to The King's Speech.
“notably the social network, being defeated by the king speech, which is a result that should be should die in a fire.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:57:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
Jack Fincher: 2 lines unmapped ×1 lineage ×1
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lineage (script origin):
Jack Fincher → Mank.
Fincher's father wrote the original Mank script, which David set aside until years later.
“I'm handed this script that my dad wrote about all powerful directors ruining storytelling”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:48:09 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
Babylon: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (Hollywood scum):
Babylon → Mank.
Both films treat the decision-makers of old Hollywood as scum who exploit creative people.
“I think that both of those movies are about the people who are effectively in decision making roles in Hollywood are scum.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:53:14 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
Jodie Foster: 1 line people ×1
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people (earlier near-collaboration):
Jodie Foster → Mank.
Foster and Fincher had circled each other before, including about Mank.
“She had talked to him about mink, which is like already a thing.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 0:53:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Let Them All Talk: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (streamer day-and-date example):
Let Them All Talk → Mank.
HBO Max could debut the Soderbergh movie directly instead of qualifying via theaters, hence streaming's Oscar ramifications.
“what happens when HBO Max debuts the new Stephen Soderberg movie rather than putting it in theaters to qualify”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:49:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
Mindhunter: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (how Mank got made):
Mank → Mindhunter.
When Netflix could not afford a third Mindhunter season, Fincher pulled Mank off the shelf.
“Netflix is kind of like we kind of can't make a 3rd season of this, it's too expensive.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:55:17 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
Nebraska: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (black and white):
Mank → Nebraska.
Studios' old resistance to black and white (TV, VHS, foreign sales) shown by Nebraska's regrade for Paramount.
“Especially when so much of Studios opposition to black and white movies was it doesn't play on TV.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:18:42 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
Netflix: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (business):
Netflix → Mank.
Fincher's Netflix deal and the end of the anything-you-want era are the context for Mank.
“And this is kind of the end of the period of Netflix being like, anything you want.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:55:27 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
Nomadland: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (Oscar season 2020):
Mank → Nomadland.
Nomadland and Mank are both nominees in the pandemic Oscar year.
“Nomadland certainly fell into that trap, I think.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:05:01 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
Oh Father (Madonna video): 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (same tribute):
Oh Father (Madonna video) → Mank.
Oh Father is a Kane tribute years before Fincher made Mank.
“Several years before David Fincher made Mank. This was his 1st Citizen Kane tribute.”
Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:17:03 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Parasite: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (awards backlash cycle):
Parasite → Mank.
A bold Academy choice like Parasite triggers a counter-reaction toward traditional movies about movies, with Mank a test.
“I do kind of think it'll be movies about movies and the power of storytelling and all and all of that nonsense.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:56:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
Ren Klyce: 1 line craft ×1
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craft (same sound designer):
Ren Klyce → Mank.
The Killer's sound designer also did Mank; the speaker talked to him for both.
“Talk to him too for Mank.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 0:13:02 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
Roma: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (Netflix black and white):
Mank → Roma.
Netflix is where you go for a script nobody else wants and for a black and white movie: Roma, Mank, Blonde, Maestro.
“Not only is Netflix the place you go to for your script that nobody else wants to buy, but it's where you go and you want to make your black and white movie.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:18:33 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (self-portrait):
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button → Mank.
The speaker reads Fincher as both the scumbag who made Seven and the sincere artist who made Benjamin Button, which is Mank.
“he made Ben Benjamin Button, you know, like that he is, he's Mank”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:45:17 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
The Lost Weekend: 1 line craft ×1
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craft (visual echo):
The Lost Weekend → Mank.
The election-night drunk sequence in Mank is called self-consciously reminiscent of The Lost Weekend.
“almost self-consciously reminiscent of the last the lost weekend”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 2:03:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
The Offer: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (behind-the-scenes drama):
The Offer → Mank.
The Offer, like Mank, makes the writers and directors of a classic into putzes; the gap between Mank and Kane is much closer.
“The offer does a similar thing where it makes Coppola and Puzo both out to be putzes.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:08:00 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
The Trial of the Chicago 7: 1 line programming ×1
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programming (programming):
The Trial of the Chicago 7 → Mank.
Chicago 7 is a big fat fastball for the Oscars alongside Mank, Nomadland and Hillbilly Elegy.
“this is a big fat, fastball right down the middle.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:54:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
The Two Popes: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (Netflix Oscar-bait comparison):
Mank → The Two Popes.
Netflix surely has another celebrated prestige film like The Two Popes coming.
“I'm sure there's a 2 popes-esque thing coming down the pike that we're not even aware of”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:38:55 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
The Way Back: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (professional drunk):
The Way Back → Mank.
The Way Back is praised for the business of getting drunk, like Mank; called a 1970s Robert Duvall-style movie.
“I think it's excellent and also like way too traditional to have made sense in 2020 to anybody.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 2:05:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
Where it came up
- passing in Blank Check with Griffin & David · Fearless with Timothy Simons, first at 2:24:35, 1 time
- compared in The Big Picture · The ‘Babylon’ Watch-Along, first at 2:08:12, 1 time
- compared in The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More, first at 0:47:48, 6 times
- passing in The Big Picture · ‘Elvis,’ ‘Walk Hard’ and Top Five Music Biopics, first at 0:08:47, 4 times
- passing in The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’, first at 1:54:22, 1 time
- passing in The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular, first at 0:01:33, 2 times
- passing in The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture, first at 0:30:57, 9 times
- compared in Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free), first at 0:13:02, 16 times
- subject in Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free), first at 0:00:05, 91 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free), first at 0:02:20, 16 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free), first at 2:32:45, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · The Social Network (Ad-Free), first at 2:45:42, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · The Curious Case of Benjamin Button with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free), first at 0:18:47, 8 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos, first at 1:17:03, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free), first at 0:53:43, 2 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free), first at 1:55:01, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free), first at 0:10:32, 6 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free), first at 0:41:52, 9 times
What was said about it, by kind
contrast (1)
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contrast (contrast):
Mank → David Fincher.
Mank is Fincher looking at something that is not about murder and death.
“finally, you know, David Fincher looks at something that isn't about murder and death”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:02:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
craft (4)
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craft (craft):
Mank → David Fincher.
Fincher shot and cut Mank to look like a 1940s film.
“he has shot this film to look like a film from the 1940s and the trailer has been cut to look like a film from the 1940s”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:02:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them) -
craft (same sound designer):
Ren Klyce → Mank.
The Killer's sound designer also did Mank; the speaker talked to him for both.
“Talk to him too for Mank.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 0:13:02 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them) -
craft (tone):
Citizen Kane → Mank.
Like Citizen Kane, Mank has a complicated relationship to its lead; Mank mirrors the attitude of the man himself.
“Yeah, as much as Citizen Kane, the movie has a very complicated relationship to its lead character.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:10:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
craft (visual echo):
The Lost Weekend → Mank.
The election-night drunk sequence in Mank is called self-consciously reminiscent of The Lost Weekend.
“almost self-consciously reminiscent of the last the lost weekend”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 2:03:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
industry (4)
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industry (Netflix Oscar-bait comparison):
Mank → The Two Popes.
Netflix surely has another celebrated prestige film like The Two Popes coming.
“I'm sure there's a 2 popes-esque thing coming down the pike that we're not even aware of”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:38:55 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
industry (awards backlash cycle):
Parasite → Mank.
A bold Academy choice like Parasite triggers a counter-reaction toward traditional movies about movies, with Mank a test.
“I do kind of think it'll be movies about movies and the power of storytelling and all and all of that nonsense.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:56:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them) -
industry (shared streaming problem):
The Killer → Mank.
Both Netflix movies are uniquely bad for streaming.
“They're both uniquely bad for streaming.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 0:38:40 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them) -
industry (Oscar season 2020):
Mank → Nomadland.
Nomadland and Mank are both nominees in the pandemic Oscar year.
“Nomadland certainly fell into that trap, I think.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:05:01 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
lineage (3)
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lineage (subject / source):
Mank → Citizen Kane.
Mank is partly inspired by Pauline Kael's essay on who truly authored Citizen Kane.
“it's in part inspired by that very famous Pauline Kale, story raising Kane, about the true authorship of Citizen Kane”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:58:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them) -
lineage (script origin):
Jack Fincher → Mank.
Fincher's father wrote the original Mank script, which David set aside until years later.
“I'm handed this script that my dad wrote about all powerful directors ruining storytelling”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:48:09 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them) -
lineage (visual influence):
Citizen Kane → Mank.
Messerschmidt told the interviewer he wanted low, deep-focus photography evoking Citizen Kane, not noir.
“He's like, no, I want to do it low to the ground, lots of deep focus, evoking citizen Kane.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:13:08 · David Sims (0.80 sure it was them)
people (6)
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people (same director / awards cautionary):
Mank → The Social Network.
Fincher's perverse films are hits but the Academy snubs them, as when The Social Network lost to The King's Speech.
“notably the social network, being defeated by the king speech, which is a result that should be should die in a fire.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:57:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them) -
people (same actor):
The Killer → Mank.
Arliss Howard is brought back from Mank.
“Bringing back Carlos Howard from Manck.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 0:56:18 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them) -
people (same cinematographer):
The Killer → Mank.
Messerschmidt shot both.
“Eric Master Schmidt shot the movie, same guy who shot Mink.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 0:59:42 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them) -
people (same writer-director question):
Mank → The Social Network.
Griffin says Mank is a talkie without the entertaining dialogue of The Social Network.
“It's a talkie movie, but a talking movie without having the kind of like wildly entertaining dialogue of a social network.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:14:55 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them) -
people (Mank casting parallels):
RKO 281 → Mank.
Malkovich plays Mank in RKO 281, Schreiber Welles, Cromwell Hearst; Oldman, Burke, Dance in the Fincher film.
“Cromwell plays him in the RKO movie.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:34:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them) -
people (earlier near-collaboration):
Jodie Foster → Mank.
Foster and Fincher had circled each other before, including about Mank.
“She had talked to him about mink, which is like already a thing.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 0:53:43 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
programming (1)
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programming (programming):
The Trial of the Chicago 7 → Mank.
Chicago 7 is a big fat fastball for the Oscars alongside Mank, Nomadland and Hillbilly Elegy.
“this is a big fat, fastball right down the middle.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:54:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
unmapped (17)
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unmapped (self-portrait):
The Killer → Mank.
Mank and The Killer both read as self-allegory about a talented guy and his financiers; both are emotional about art and voice in an industry.
“speaking of Mank, you know, what if you missed? You know, what if you're a really talented guy and your financiers? So like, hey, that didn't go so well.”
The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:48:34 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them) -
unmapped (streamer day-and-date example):
Let Them All Talk → Mank.
HBO Max could debut the Soderbergh movie directly instead of qualifying via theaters, hence streaming's Oscar ramifications.
“what happens when HBO Max debuts the new Stephen Soderberg movie rather than putting it in theaters to qualify”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:49:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (family / writing credit):
Mank → Jack Fincher.
The Mank script was written by Fincher's father, a marketable sentimental angle.
“which was written by David Da Fincher's father before he passed away.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:58:36 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (shared self-mockery):
The Killer → Mank.
Both films have Fincher mocking his own exacting reputation.
“it's Fincher mocking himself a little bit.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 1:24:23 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them) -
unmapped (how Mank got made):
Mank → Mindhunter.
When Netflix could not afford a third Mindhunter season, Fincher pulled Mank off the shelf.
“Netflix is kind of like we kind of can't make a 3rd season of this, it's too expensive.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:55:17 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (business):
Netflix → Mank.
Fincher's Netflix deal and the end of the anything-you-want era are the context for Mank.
“And this is kind of the end of the period of Netflix being like, anything you want.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:55:27 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (history as Shakespeare):
The Social Network → Mank.
Sorkin's Social Network uses Zuckerberg like Shakespeare riffs on kings, as the Mank makers use film history.
“I think, like, uh, the Finchers and Eric Roth and old men are all doing the same thing here”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:02:33 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (behind-the-scenes drama):
The Offer → Mank.
The Offer, like Mank, makes the writers and directors of a classic into putzes; the gap between Mank and Kane is much closer.
“The offer does a similar thing where it makes Coppola and Puzo both out to be putzes.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:08:00 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (Netflix black and white):
Mank → Roma.
Netflix is where you go for a script nobody else wants and for a black and white movie: Roma, Mank, Blonde, Maestro.
“Not only is Netflix the place you go to for your script that nobody else wants to buy, but it's where you go and you want to make your black and white movie.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:18:33 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (black and white):
Mank → Nebraska.
Studios' old resistance to black and white (TV, VHS, foreign sales) shown by Nebraska's regrade for Paramount.
“Especially when so much of Studios opposition to black and white movies was it doesn't play on TV.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:18:42 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (same story):
RKO 281 → Mank.
Watched back to back; RKO 281 makes Mank a pain and writing an active process, where Mank makes it passive.
“Whereas whether correct or not, RKO 281 makes it more of an active process.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:31:32 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (rosebud theory):
RKO 281 → Mank.
David asks whether Mank's denial of the Rosebud explanation answers RKO 281; Sean says it is a really popular theory instead.
“Do you think that's just directly responding to a 20-year-old HBO TV movie”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:42:23 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (self-portrait):
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button → Mank.
The speaker reads Fincher as both the scumbag who made Seven and the sincere artist who made Benjamin Button, which is Mank.
“he made Ben Benjamin Button, you know, like that he is, he's Mank”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:45:17 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (Netflix as MGM):
Mank → David Fincher.
Fincher thinks of Netflix as rebels throwing stones at the old castle, then peak MGM; Mayer's line about selling what we own fits.
“And he thinks that Netflix are like the rebels throwing stones at the old castle, and then within 10 years, it's like, oh, Netflix is now peak MGM.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:50:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (Hollywood scum):
Babylon → Mank.
Both films treat the decision-makers of old Hollywood as scum who exploit creative people.
“I think that both of those movies are about the people who are effectively in decision making roles in Hollywood are scum.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:53:14 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (professional drunk):
The Way Back → Mank.
The Way Back is praised for the business of getting drunk, like Mank; called a 1970s Robert Duvall-style movie.
“I think it's excellent and also like way too traditional to have made sense in 2020 to anybody.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 2:05:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them) -
unmapped (same tribute):
Oh Father (Madonna video) → Mank.
Oh Father is a Kane tribute years before Fincher made Mank.
“Several years before David Fincher made Mank. This was his 1st Citizen Kane tribute.”
Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:17:03 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Fun items about it
-
fun, about
Mank:
Fincher's teaser makes both the film and the trailer look 1940s; Sean treats Dec 4 as his day.
“I turn into a Dragon Ball Z character and I am lit a flame and I'm powered by the energies of David Fincher”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:02:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Mank:
A hosts muses that Netflix might release Mank early in IMAX gesture; the other says a June release is forgotten by December.
“if you release Manck in June, then it's forgotten by December.”
The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 0:31:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Mank:
The Mank 1998 version had Kevin Spacey and Jodie Foster lined up; Polygram balked at black and white.
“He had Kevin Spacey and Jodie Foster lined up for the lead roles in 1998.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:54:33 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Mank:
Fincher on credit: the distilled version of importance, 'a 10 pound bushel of amoebas'.
“he calls it credit is, um, the distilled version of importance.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 1:55:12 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
Who the speakers said made it
As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.
- Irving Thalberg: studio executive, character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Netflix: studio (The Big Picture, ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More)
- Netflix: studio (The Big Picture, Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture)
- Netflix: studio/distributor (Blank Check — Patreon, Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free))
- Netflix: studio / distributor (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Eric Roth: screenwriter (rewrote Jack Fincher's script) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Eric Roth: offered a producer / EP credit instead of screenplay credit (as the speakers joke) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (The Big Picture, ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More)
- David Fincher: director (The Big Picture, Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture)
- David Fincher: director (The Big Picture, 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular)
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, David Fincher Music Videos)
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free))
- David Fincher: director (Blank Check — Patreon, The Social Network (Ad-Free))
- Erik Messerschmidt: director of photography (Blank Check — Patreon, Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free))
- Erik Messerschmidt: cinematographer (won the Oscar) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Erik Messerschmidt: cinematographer (won the Oscar) (Blank Check — Patreon, The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free))
- Ren Klyce: sound mixer / designer at Skywalker Sound (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Ren Klyce: sound designer (Blank Check — Patreon, The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free))
- Arliss Howard: supporting role (character not said) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Arliss Howard: supporting (Blank Check — Patreon, The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free))
- Gary Oldman: actor (Herman Mankiewicz) (The Big Picture, ‘Elvis,’ ‘Walk Hard’ and Top Five Music Biopics)
- Gary Oldman: lead (The Big Picture, Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture)
- Gary Oldman: lead (joked) (Blank Check — Patreon, Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free))
- Gary Oldman: lead (Herman Mankiewicz) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Gary Oldman: worked with Fincher (Blank Check — Patreon, The Social Network (Ad-Free))
- Bernard Herrmann: 1940s-era composer the Mank score evokes (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Orson Welles: subject of Mank (The Big Picture, 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular)
- Orson Welles: character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Louis Mayer: studio head, character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Kevin Spacey: lined up for the lead in the 1998 version of Mank (what-if) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Amanda Seyfried: Marion Davies (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Jodie Foster: lined up for a lead role in the 1998 version of Mank (what-if) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Jodie Foster: had talked to Fincher about it (Blank Check — Patreon, Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free))
- Jack Fincher: screenwriter (The Big Picture, Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture)
- Jack Fincher: screenwriter (original script) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Jack Fincher: screenwriter (Fincher's dad) (Blank Check — Patreon, Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free))
- Herman Mankiewicz: subject / protagonist (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Fox Searchlight: hypothetical distributor (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Charles Dance: William Randolph Hearst (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Trent Reznor: composer (score, with Atticus Ross) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Trent Reznor: composer (Blank Check — Patreon, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free))
- Trent Reznor: composer (Blank Check — Patreon, The Social Network (Ad-Free))
- Atticus Ross: composer (score, with Trent Reznor) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Atticus Ross: composer (Blank Check — Patreon, The Social Network (Ad-Free))
- Bill Nye: cameo / supporting role (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Joseph Mankiewicz: Herman's brother 'Joe', character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- MGM: studio depicted (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Tom Burke: Orson Welles (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Holt McCanney: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free))
- Lily Collins: Rita Alexander, the assistant (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Tom Pelphrey: Joe Mankiewicz (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Tuppence Middleton: Mank's wife (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Liam Cunningham: Greg Toland ('onion night is Greg Tolan') (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Greg Toland: character in Mank (cinematographer, per the name only) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Roger Allen: Walt Disney (small part) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Schneider / 'Schider': small part (character not clear) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- William Randolph Hearst: character / basis for Kane (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Marion Davies: character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Upton Sinclair: 1934 California gubernatorial candidate, character (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Rita Alexander: character (dictation assistant) (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Laray Mayfield: casting director (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Skywalker Sound: sound facility, scoring room (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Max Steiner: 1940s-era composer the Mank score evokes (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Miklos Rozsa: 1940s-era composer the Mank score evokes (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
- Polygram: studio that nearly made Mank in the 1990s, got cold feet over the black and white (Blank Check — Patreon, Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))