Joan Allen

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as actor. The films the hosts said they acted in, which the two lists below run through too: Manhunter (1986); Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993); Mad Love (1995); Nixon (1995); The Crucible (1996); Face/Off (1997); The Ice Storm (1997); Pleasantville (1998); The Contender (2000); The Bourne Supremacy (2004); The Upside of Anger (2005).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Ed Gein: 1 line

  1. lineage (real-life source) · through Manhunter (1986), which they acted in: Ed Gein ⇒ Manhunter (the host's read). Manhunter and the Hannibal Lecter material also draw on Gein.
    “I mean, Manhunter.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:19:23 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them)

Rick Moody's novel: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Ice Storm (1997), which they acted in: Rick Moody's novel ⇒ The Ice Storm (the host's read). Based on Rick Moody's 1994 book; the author cried at the end of a cut and said they got it.
    “It's based on Rick Moody's 1994 book, who saw a cut of it and cried at the end and was like, my God, they got it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:08:18 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Brady Bunch Movie (1995): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Ice Storm (1997), which they acted in: The Brady Bunch Movie ⇒ The Ice Storm (the host's read). Simmons traces a mid-90s wave of 70s nostalgia (Brady Bunch movies, Reality Bites) that led to harder looks like Ice Storm.
    “They make the Brady Bunch movie, which is a parody of the Brady Bunch.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:12:44 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)

Thief (1981): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Manhunter (1986), which they acted in: Thief ⇒ Manhunter (the host's read). Thief's final shootout is a dry run for Manhunter's.
    “That whole shootout is very reminiscent of the shootout at the end of Manhunter”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:11:12 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Thomas Harris: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Manhunter (1986), which they acted in: Thomas Harris ⇒ Manhunter (the host's read). Manhunter is Mann's Thomas Harris adaptation.
    “Um, the Thomas Harris adaptation.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:49:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Swingtown (TV): 1 line

  1. programming (programming) · through The Ice Storm (1997), which they acted in: The Ice Storm ⇒ Swingtown (TV) (the host's read). Swingtown tried to tap the key party idea but belonged on Cinemax.
    “That show has to be on Cinemax.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:50:18 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

The Silence of the Lambs (1991): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Manhunter (1986), which they acted in: Manhunter ⇒ The Silence of the Lambs (the host's read). Silence of the Lambs and the Hannibal Lecter universe come in the aftermath of Manhunter.
    “Obviously, like Silence of the Lambs and the expanded Hannibal Lecter universe comes in the aftermath of this”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:49:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Acting (12) everyone in acting

What was said about them, by kind

career (5)

  1. career (career): Joan Allen → The Bourne Supremacy. Simmons argues her apex is Bourne, 2004, as Pamela Landy in the biggest action franchise.
    “You don't think it's 04 where she's Pamela Landy in like the biggest action franchise in the world?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:10:18 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Joan Allen → Face/Off. 1997 was Allen's year: The Ice Storm and Face/Off, leading to Pleasantville.
    “It's ice storm and face off in the same year leading to Pleasantville.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:10:23 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Joan Allen → The Contender. In 2000 she starred in The Contender and got an Oscar nomination, though the film did not do well.
    “Or is it 2000 when she is the star of the contender?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:10:30 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Joan Allen → The Upside of Anger. Fennessey likes Upside of Anger, which he says came out in the wrong decade.
    “It should have come out in like 1997.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:12:05 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. career (career): Joan Allen → Pleasantville. Joan Allen and Maguire were the draw for a viewer who loved Pleasantville.
    “it starred Toby McGuard and Joan Allen from Pleasantville”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:31:47 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Joan Allen → Gloria Stuart. Allen should have taken the Supporting Actress nomination that went to Titanic's Gloria Stuart.
    “I think that that was Joan Allen's spot.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:54:40 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Joan Allen → Face/Off. Face/Off and Ice Storm solidified 1997 for her, including her inability to tell Travolta from Cage.
    “really solidified 1997 for her.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Ice Storm’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:25:55 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Joan Allen: She was disappointed by the response and still calls it her best film.
    “She still thinks it's the best film she's ever been in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:20:38 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)