Creed (2015)
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What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.
Who talked about it
Blank Check — Patreon
- Unattributed: 1 line, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
The Big Picture
- Amanda Dobbins: 2 lines in 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular
- Stephen Merchant: 1 line in Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130)
The Rewatchables
- Unattributed: 3 lines, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
Came from
What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
Rocky: 2 lines the host's read ×2
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lineage (lineage):
Rocky ⇒ Creed (the host's read).
Merchant says Creed repeated Rocky's trick of making you care about the character before the fighting.
“when they rebooted it with Creed, I think they did the same thing”
The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:46:07 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
Skyfall: 1 line the host's read ×1
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industry (industry):
Skyfall ⇒ Creed (the host's read).
Bringing a prestige director to a franchise leads to Coogler doing Creed and Black Panther.
“It leads to things like Ryan Kugler does Creed in Black Panther”
The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:45:54 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
Led to
What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.
No line says another film or person drew on it.
Connected to
Rocky: 2 lines lineage ×2
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lineage (lineage):
Creed → Rocky.
Merchant says Creed repeated Rocky's trick of making you care about the character before the fighting.
“when they rebooted it with Creed, I think they did the same thing”
The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:46:07 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
2010: The Year We Make Contact: 1 line theme ×1
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theme (payoff comparison):
2010: The Year We Make Contact → Creed.
The Zarathustra cue at the end is likened to Gonna Fly Now at the end of Creed: a movie that earned the right to the cue.
“It almost feels like fucking gonna fly now playing at the end of Creed where you're like, the movie's worked this hard to earn the right.”
Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:07:48 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
Amanda Dobbins: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (anecdote):
Creed → Amanda Dobbins.
Amanda's husband called Creed 'not that fun' and would not see it again with her; she cried alone in a theater.
“he wants to tell you that Creed isn't that fun”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 1:16:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
F1: 1 line contrast ×1
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contrast (contrast):
F1 → Creed.
Creed did the handover to the new generation best.
“Like the movie that probably did the handover, the best is Creed.”
The Rewatchables · ‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:58:03 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)
Skyfall: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (industry):
Skyfall → Creed.
Bringing a prestige director to a franchise leads to Coogler doing Creed and Black Panther.
“It leads to things like Ryan Kugler does Creed in Black Panther”
The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:45:54 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
Where it came up
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan, first at 0:31:09, 3 times
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan, first at 0:26:12, 18 times
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey, first at 0:00:50, 1 time
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan, first at 1:28:02, 1 time
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘The Royal Tenenbaums’ With Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald, first at 0:30:22, 1 time
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins, first at 0:45:54, 1 time
- anecdote in The Big Picture · The Nicole Kidman Hall of Fame, and ‘Babygirl’, first at 0:44:40, 1 time
- anecdote in The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular, first at 1:16:06, 1 time
- compared in The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130), first at 0:46:07, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free), first at 1:42:42, 1 time
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Full Metal Jacket with Jon Gabrus (Ad-Free), first at 1:19:19, 1 time
- compared in Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact, first at 0:07:48, 1 time
What was said about it, by kind
contrast (1)
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contrast (contrast):
F1 → Creed.
Creed did the handover to the new generation best.
“Like the movie that probably did the handover, the best is Creed.”
The Rewatchables · ‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:58:03 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)
industry (1)
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industry (industry):
Skyfall → Creed.
Bringing a prestige director to a franchise leads to Coogler doing Creed and Black Panther.
“It leads to things like Ryan Kugler does Creed in Black Panther”
The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:45:54 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
lineage (2)
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lineage (lineage):
Rocky → Creed.
Creed closely follows Rocky's structure, but opens with Creed obviously able to fight, unlike Rocky's grim opening bout.
“in Creed, which very closely follows some of the structures of rocky.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:38:15 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage):
Creed → Rocky.
Merchant says Creed repeated Rocky's trick of making you care about the character before the fighting.
“when they rebooted it with Creed, I think they did the same thing”
The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:46:07 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
theme (1)
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theme (payoff comparison):
2010: The Year We Make Contact → Creed.
The Zarathustra cue at the end is likened to Gonna Fly Now at the end of Creed: a movie that earned the right to the cue.
“It almost feels like fucking gonna fly now playing at the end of Creed where you're like, the movie's worked this hard to earn the right.”
Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:07:48 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
unmapped (1)
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unmapped (anecdote):
Creed → Amanda Dobbins.
Amanda's husband called Creed 'not that fun' and would not see it again with her; she cried alone in a theater.
“he wants to tell you that Creed isn't that fun”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 1:16:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
Fun items about it
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fun, about
Creed:
Amanda's husband Zach saw Creed early, said it wasn't fun, and would not see it again; she cried alone at the 34th Street theater.
“It was just crying by myself, moved by the power of cinema because Zach wouldn't go with me”
The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 1:16:26 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)
Who the speakers said made it
As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.
- Michael B. Jordan: star (The Big Picture, Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130))
- Ryan Coogler: director (The Rewatchables, ‘The Royal Tenenbaums’ With Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald)
- Ryan Coogler: director (The Rewatchables, ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins)
- Sylvester Stallone: lead performance named as a better winner (Blank Check — Patreon, Full Metal Jacket with Jon Gabrus (Ad-Free))