Titanic (1997)

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Wikidata Q44578, film, IMDb tt0120338, TMDB 597: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Leonardo DiCaprio as actor (‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding); 13 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #566, Titanic (1997).

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Twister: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. industry (industry): Twister ⇒ Titanic (the host's read). Twister started a playbook of putting not-yet-A-list leads in a spectacle, which Titanic and later Star Wars followed.
    “It became a playbook for it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:54:01 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Avatar: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. verdict (verdict): Titanic ⇒ Avatar (the host's read). Titanic made Cameron so successful that Hollywood let him do anything.
    “needed to have this extraordinary amount of success over these decades to conceive an execute of something so crazy as Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Killers of the Flower Moon: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (callback): Titanic ⇒ Killers of the Flower Moon (the host's read). The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

Leonardo DiCaprio: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. theme (rejects persona): Titanic ⇒ Leonardo DiCaprio (the host's read). His broken, dim characters read as a rejection of Jack in Titanic and the matinee-idol image.
    “maybe all of this is a one long rejection of Jack from Titanic”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:27:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (shared-technology): Titanic ⇒ Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (the host's read). The film exists because James Cameron's Mexican Titanic tank, with a gimbal, was still usable for the ship set.
    “James Cameron had done the legwork to build out the system to be able to basically shoot this on a gimbal in a tank of a proper set.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 1:30:47 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Avatar: 3 lines career ×1 industry ×1 verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Avatar → Titanic. Titanic made Cameron so successful that Hollywood let him do anything.
    “needed to have this extraordinary amount of success over these decades to conceive an execute of something so crazy as Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

As Good as It Gets: 2 lines craft ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): As Good as It Gets → Titanic. Asks if this thoughtful character piece broke out in a year of Titanic and Men in Black.
    “in a year where it was like Titanic, Men in Black, all of a sudden, here's this like, thoughtful character piece.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:32:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Leonardo DiCaprio: 2 lines career ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (rejects persona): Leonardo DiCaprio → Titanic. His broken, dim characters read as a rejection of Jack in Titanic and the matinee-idol image.
    “maybe all of this is a one long rejection of Jack from Titanic”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:27:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Avatar: The Way of Water: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Avatar: The Way of Water → Titanic. Titanic's pitch was a famous ship; Avatar's was Looney Tunes by comparison.
    “the pitch for Avatar is Looney Tunes, like compared to like him being like, I know it's going to cost a fortune for me to build a boat and sink it, but it's the Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Bill Paxton: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Bill Paxton → Titanic. Paxton's run of key supporting roles culminates with the Twister lead and then Titanic.
    “And then that all culminates in Titanic.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:15:29 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Catch Me If You Can: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career stage): Catch Me If You Can → Titanic. Catch Me is the springboard where Leo learned to give a more mature performance, after the Titanic generation.
    “I feel like it's the movie where he learns how to give a more mature performance.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:36:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Dead Calm: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Dead Calm → Titanic. Billy Zane's madman on the water is framed as preparation for Titanic.
    “Sort of sort of preparing for his role in Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Nicole Kidman Hall of Fame, and ‘Babygirl’ · 0:56:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Good Will Hunting: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Good Will Hunting → Titanic. The era's teenage-girl default was Titanic 50 times; Amanda was drawn to Good Will Hunting instead.
    “one way to express yourself as a teenage girl was to like go to Titanic 50 times”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:08:23 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)

Hanging Up: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Hanging Up → Titanic. The podcast format lets it cover films like Hanging Up alongside Titanic or Star Wars.
    “a podcast that could also cover things like Titanic or Star Wars”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Hanging Up with Sonia Sarayia · 1:12:09 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

James Cameron: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (development timing): James Cameron → Titanic. Cameron considered Apes before Titanic and lost interest when Titanic succeeded.
    “But it was one of those things where, like, Cameron was thinking about doing it before Titanic than when he thought Titanic was going to bomb.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Planet of the Apes with Matt Singer · 0:47:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Killers of the Flower Moon: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (callback): Killers of the Flower Moon → Titanic. The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (shared-technology): Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World → Titanic. The film exists because James Cameron's Mexican Titanic tank, with a gimbal, was still usable for the ship set.
    “James Cameron had done the legwork to build out the system to be able to basically shoot this on a gimbal in a tank of a proper set.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 1:30:47 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Paths of Glory: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Titanic → Paths of Glory. The Titanic legend of Cameron refusing studio cuts is told as a parallel to Douglas and Kubrick fighting over the ending.
    “This reminds me of a story I love from the production of Titanic”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Paths of Glory with Sarah Marshall (Ad-Free) · 0:42:36 · Sarah Marshall (0.50 sure it was them)

Pulp Fiction: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Pulp Fiction → Titanic. Most culturally defining standalone movie with no sequel: Titanic or Pulp.
    “I think it's Titanic or this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Pulp Fiction’ (Part 2) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 2:45:25 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)

The Ice Storm: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Titanic. Fox had The Ice Storm and Titanic and The Full Monty in the same fall.
    “by Titanic and Falmonte, because Fox had those 2 films that fall.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:22:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Lost World: Jurassic Park: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (year ranking): Titanic → The Lost World: Jurassic Park. Lost World was not the top film of 1997 because Titanic beat it, and Men in Black outgrossed it too.
    “it was, of course, not the biggest movie of 19797 because Titanic was the biggest part.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Lost World: Jurassic Park · 1:34:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Truman Show: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Truman Show → Titanic. Release slipped from 1997 to 1998 because Titanic was coming for everybody; better Oscar chances.
    “It was supposed to be 97 and then the Titanic literally was this big boat coming for everybody”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Truman Show’ With Bill Simmons, Glen Powell, and Chris Ryan · 0:48:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Twister: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Twister → Titanic. Twister started a playbook of putting not-yet-A-list leads in a spectacle, which Titanic and later Star Wars followed.
    “It became a playbook for it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:54:01 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

White Squall: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (shared-technology): Titanic → White Squall. Ridley Scott made 1492 and White Squall in a Gibraltar tank, but it had fallen into disrepair, which is why Cameron's tank mattered.
    “Scott had made both 1492 and White Squall, I think, in a tank in Gibraltar, but that tank was in disrepair.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 1:30:47 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (4)

  1. career (career): Bill Paxton → Titanic. Paxton's run of key supporting roles culminates with the Twister lead and then Titanic.
    “And then that all culminates in Titanic.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:15:29 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career turning point): Leonardo DiCaprio → Titanic. After Titanic Leo made it his mission to work with Scorsese.
    “he made it his mission after Titanic to get Scorsese movies.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:27:23 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career stage): Catch Me If You Can → Titanic. Catch Me is the springboard where Leo learned to give a more mature performance, after the Titanic generation.
    “I feel like it's the movie where he learns how to give a more mature performance.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:36:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Avatar → Titanic. Avatar could only be made because Titanic gave Cameron the clout.
    “I'd never have gotten to make it if he hadn't made Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:09:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (2)

  1. contrast (contrast): Avatar: The Way of Water → Titanic. Titanic's pitch was a famous ship; Avatar's was Looney Tunes by comparison.
    “the pitch for Avatar is Looney Tunes, like compared to like him being like, I know it's going to cost a fortune for me to build a boat and sink it, but it's the Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Good Will Hunting → Titanic. The era's teenage-girl default was Titanic 50 times; Amanda was drawn to Good Will Hunting instead.
    “one way to express yourself as a teenage girl was to like go to Titanic 50 times”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:08:23 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): As Good as It Gets → Titanic. Unlike Titanic's Jack, the drawings here are actually impressive because they are by a real artist.
    “more so than Titanic this same year where they want you to be like aghast with Jack's drawings.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:32:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (7)

  1. industry (industry): As Good as It Gets → Titanic. Asks if this thoughtful character piece broke out in a year of Titanic and Men in Black.
    “in a year where it was like Titanic, Men in Black, all of a sudden, here's this like, thoughtful character piece.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:32:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): The Truman Show → Titanic. Release slipped from 1997 to 1998 because Titanic was coming for everybody; better Oscar chances.
    “It was supposed to be 97 and then the Titanic literally was this big boat coming for everybody”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Truman Show’ With Bill Simmons, Glen Powell, and Chris Ryan · 0:48:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Twister → Titanic. Twister started a playbook of putting not-yet-A-list leads in a spectacle, which Titanic and later Star Wars followed.
    “It became a playbook for it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:54:01 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Titanic → Avatar. Titanic held the box-office record until Avatar broke it twelve years later.
    “Titanic had the record domestically and worldwide at the box office until Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:17:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Titanic → Paths of Glory. The Titanic legend of Cameron refusing studio cuts is told as a parallel to Douglas and Kubrick fighting over the ending.
    “This reminds me of a story I love from the production of Titanic”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Paths of Glory with Sarah Marshall (Ad-Free) · 0:42:36 · Sarah Marshall (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Hanging Up → Titanic. The podcast format lets it cover films like Hanging Up alongside Titanic or Star Wars.
    “a podcast that could also cover things like Titanic or Star Wars”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Hanging Up with Sonia Sarayia · 1:12:09 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): The Ice Storm → Titanic. Fox had The Ice Storm and Titanic and The Full Monty in the same fall.
    “by Titanic and Falmonte, because Fox had those 2 films that fall.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Ice Storm with Emily Yoshida (Ad-Free) · 0:22:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (callback): Killers of the Flower Moon → Titanic. The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Dead Calm → Titanic. Billy Zane's madman on the water is framed as preparation for Titanic.
    “Sort of sort of preparing for his role in Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Nicole Kidman Hall of Fame, and ‘Babygirl’ · 0:56:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (rejects persona): Leonardo DiCaprio → Titanic. His broken, dim characters read as a rejection of Jack in Titanic and the matinee-idol image.
    “maybe all of this is a one long rejection of Jack from Titanic”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:27:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (3)

  1. unmapped (shared-technology): Titanic → White Squall. Ridley Scott made 1492 and White Squall in a Gibraltar tank, but it had fallen into disrepair, which is why Cameron's tank mattered.
    “Scott had made both 1492 and White Squall, I think, in a tank in Gibraltar, but that tank was in disrepair.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 1:30:47 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (shared-technology): Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World → Titanic. The film exists because James Cameron's Mexican Titanic tank, with a gimbal, was still usable for the ship set.
    “James Cameron had done the legwork to build out the system to be able to basically shoot this on a gimbal in a tank of a proper set.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 1:30:47 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (development timing): James Cameron → Titanic. Cameron considered Apes before Titanic and lost interest when Titanic succeeded.
    “But it was one of those things where, like, Cameron was thinking about doing it before Titanic than when he thought Titanic was going to bomb.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Planet of the Apes with Matt Singer · 0:47:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (year ranking): Titanic → The Lost World: Jurassic Park. Lost World was not the top film of 1997 because Titanic beat it, and Men in Black outgrossed it too.
    “it was, of course, not the biggest movie of 19797 because Titanic was the biggest part.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Lost World: Jurassic Park · 1:34:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Pulp Fiction → Titanic. Most culturally defining standalone movie with no sequel: Titanic or Pulp.
    “I think it's Titanic or this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Pulp Fiction’ (Part 2) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 2:45:25 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Avatar → Titanic. Titanic made Cameron so successful that Hollywood let him do anything.
    “needed to have this extraordinary amount of success over these decades to conceive an execute of something so crazy as Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Titanic: Cameron's Titanic shoot was so rough he was reportedly dosed with PCP and kept directing.
    “He was at one point drugged with PCP and just was like, I ain't stopping directing.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:31:17 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Titanic: On a pre-release Howard Stern interview Cameron said he had no financial stake after giving up profit participation.
    “He said, I have no stake in this film financially.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:32:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Titanic: Cameron's 'king of the world' Oscar line made a room of adults groan.
    “everyone in the room went, ugh.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 0:32:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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