Dune (1984)

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Wikidata Q114819, film, IMDb tt0087182, TMDB 841: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits David Lynch as director (Starman with Katey Rich); 2 more episodes agree.

The shows' “Dune” is more than one work, told apart episode by episode: this one in 3 episodes; Dune (2021) in 11 episodes.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #161, Dune (1984).

Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. programming (programming): Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope ⇒ Dune (the host's read). Dune was positioned and released as the studio's answer to Star Wars, the next big space epic.
    “Uh, this movie is released with the energy of, here you go, here's the new Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:22:17 · John Hodgman (0.85 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Dune ⇒ Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (the host's read). The Dune book's messaging is credited as one of the things that inspired Star Wars.
    “And not only that, the messaging of this is one of the things that inspired Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:22:22 · John Hodgman (0.70 sure it was them)

David Lowery: 1 line the maker said so ×1

  1. people (people): Dune ⇒ David Lowery (the maker said so: David Lowery's episode later in the series). A later series guest, David Lowery, called Dune a very big film for him as a child.
    “we have an episode coming later in the series with David Lowry, who talked about Dune being a very big film for him”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:33:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Connected to

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope: 8 lines craft ×3 programming ×1 lineage ×1 theme ×1 contrast ×1 unmapped ×1

  1. programming (programming): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Dune was positioned and released as the studio's answer to Star Wars, the next big space epic.
    “Uh, this movie is released with the energy of, here you go, here's the new Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:22:17 · John Hodgman (0.85 sure it was them)

Dune: 4 lines craft ×2 lineage ×1 verdict ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Dune → Dune. The episode cannot be done without comparing Lynch's film to the Villeneuve movies.
    “We can't do this episode without comparing this movie to the Villanova films”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:19:09 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Blue Velvet: 2 lines career ×1 programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Dune → Blue Velvet. Next week's episode is Blue Velvet with Jamie Loftus.
    “Tune in next week for Blue Velvet with Jamie Loftus?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 3:02:27 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Dune: Part Two: 2 lines contrast ×2

  1. contrast (contrast): Dune → Dune: Part Two. Part Two is built around Feyd-Rautha, who gets a couple of scenes in Lynch's film.
    “And especially when part 2 of the Villeneuve is all built around that character.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:20:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi: 2 lines craft ×1 career ×1

  1. career (career): Dune → Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi. Lynch chose Dune over Return of the Jedi.
    “that he makes Dune after being like, Dune is the right choice for me over return of the Jedi.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:59:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Beverly Hills Cop: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dune → Beverly Hills Cop. Dune opened number 2 behind Beverly Hills Cop its opening weekend.
    “It is called Beverly Hills Cop.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:51:29 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Brian Eno: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Brian Eno → Dune. Eno contributed one piece, credited for the main theme, which Toto resented.
    “Brian Eno contributed one piece of music.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:14:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Dalton Trumbo: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Dalton Trumbo → Dune. Trumbo was brought in at one point to write a script.
    “Dalton Trumbo was brought in”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:29:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

David Lean: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): David Lean → Dune. David Lean was approached by the original rights holder and passed.
    “Martha P. Jacobs at one point wanted David Lean to make Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:29:46 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

David Lowery: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): David Lowery → Dune. A later series guest, David Lowery, called Dune a very big film for him as a child.
    “we have an episode coming later in the series with David Lowry, who talked about Dune being a very big film for him”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:33:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

David Lynch: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): David Lynch → Dune. Lynch's visual weirdness survived even if the narrative is lost; the movie is an object of love.
    “And I do, I now have gotten to a place where I love it as an object.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:57:24 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Dune (Sci-Fi Channel miniseries): 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Dune → Dune (Sci-Fi Channel miniseries). The 2000 miniseries is a hyper-faithful script-on-screen adaptation versus Lynch's art object.
    “That thing is basically just someone being like, what if I just wrote down Dune as a screenplay.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:18:52 · John Hodgman (0.55 sure it was them)

Dune: Prophecy: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Dune → Dune: Prophecy. An HBO Max Dune series is coming, which the hosts are excited for.
    “10 hours at the HBO Max series coming?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:50:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

George Miller: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): George Miller → Dune. Miller, off The Road Warrior, was the one obvious choice in 1984 to direct Dune.
    “there's the one obvious answer who in 1984 would have made sense to do Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:36:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Ghostbusters: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dune → Ghostbusters. Dune was dropped into a summer and year of pure-pleasure blockbusters like Ghostbusters.
    “Set it aside and I'm like, dad, take me to go see Ghostbusters, which came out that summer.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:23:09 · John Hodgman (0.80 sure it was them)

Glenn Close: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Glenn Close → Dune. Glenn Close was the first pick for Jessica but passed over a damsel scene.
    “Glenn closed his number one pick for Lady Jessica.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:47:51 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Jodorowsky's Dune: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Jodorowsky's Dune → Dune. Studios later used Jodorowsky's concept book as a menu for science fiction development.
    “They used it as a menu for science fiction film development for a generation.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:33:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Jupiter Ascending: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Jupiter Ascending → Dune. Jupiter Ascending shares the palace-intrigue, gilded sci-fi mode.
    “I think it's a goofier movie, but Jupiter ascending has the same thing of like palace intrigue.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:58:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Max von Sydow: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Max von Sydow → Dune. Max von Sydow delivers the still-suit exposition without making anyone giggle.
    “He somehow delivers it in a way that doesn't make you giggle.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:53:36 · John Hodgman (0.50 sure it was them)

Metropolis: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Dune → Metropolis. Dune is one of the few films that fully achieves the awe of a completely realized world, like Metropolis.
    “this is one of the few, like, movies to fully kind of achieve for me the power of metropolis”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:16:25 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Orson Welles: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Orson Welles → Dune. Welles was considered for the Baron; Divine too but had health issues.
    “Orson Wells, obviously, is considered for the Baron.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:47:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Patrick Stewart: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Patrick Stewart → Dune. Stewart's Gurney replaced Aldo Ray; this might be the performance that got him Picard.
    “clearly shows himself fast enough with this kind of shit that, like, you have to imagine this is the performance that gets him Picard.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:54:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Peter Berg: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Peter Berg → Dune. Berg planned a Dune for normies, emphasizing boy's adventure over the weird stuff.
    “basically, he was going to, like, make Dune for normies.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:26:32 · John Hodgman (0.80 sure it was them)

Peter Weller: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Peter Weller → Dune. Peter Weller was also considered for Paul.
    “Peter Weller?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Ridley Scott: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Ridley Scott → Dune. Ridley Scott flirted with Dune but found it too similar to his earlier work.
    “Ridley Scott's the most obvious person who flirted with making this movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:42:03 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Star Wars prequels: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Star Wars prequels → Dune. The prequels' senate-and-grand-halls vibe resembles Dune's gilded, hermetic sci-fi, and audiences reacted badly.
    “Now, mind you, even though it is still fantasy, the prequels get into a lot more of this vibe and people largely react with boring.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:57:52 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Starman: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Starman → Dune. Starman is political and rooted in reality, an interesting analog for where sci-fi was.
    “Yeah. But another interesting analog to like where sci-fi filmmaking is at where like carpenter's very political and is very rooted in reality.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:57:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Superman: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dune → Superman. Realizing a novel's iconography on screen risks looking dumb, like early superhero costumes before Reeve.
    “Only Christopher Reeve could really do it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:39:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

The Cotton Club: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dune → The Cotton Club. Cotton Club and Dune are both mega flops of the era from great directors.
    “Number 5 at the box office is another mega flop of the era from a great director.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:55:08 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Elephant Man: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Dune → The Elephant Man. Elephant Man's hit status and Best Picture nomination made Lynch a director studios wanted.
    “David Lynch made the elephant man.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:00:20 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

The Straight Story: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Dune → The Straight Story. Elephant Man and The Straight Story are Lynch's two most conventional narratives.
    “And his 2 most quote unquote conventional sort of straightforward narrative films are the straight story and elephant man”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:51:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Tom Cruise: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Tom Cruise → Dune. Tom Cruise was mentioned for Paul but feared too charismatic.
    “Obviously, Tom Cruise is also mentioned.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:44:35 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Toto: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Toto → Dune. Toto composed the Dune score; the hosts praise it.
    “I love Toto score.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:14:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Twin Peaks: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Dune → Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks: The Return is the only other Lynch project that cost lots, because it was 16 hours long.
    “Yeah, Twin Peaks of Return is the only other thing he made that cost lots and lots of money, I feel like.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:12:06 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Twin Peaks: The Return, Part 8: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (visual joke): Twin Peaks: The Return, Part 8 → Dune. The purple sea gets a joke identification as Dune, with the worm floating by.
    “The worm floats by. That's the planet Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Twin Peaks: The Return (Episode 8) with Connor Ratliff · 1:25:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Val Kilmer: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Dune. Val Kilmer was reportedly first choice for Paul and makes sense but was notoriously difficult.
    “Now, Val Kilmer, I believe, was the 1st choice to play Paulitrates, and makes so much sense.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:30 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Waterworld: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dune → Waterworld. Studios padded odd-length movies with unfinished deleted scenes to fill TV slots, as discussed in the Waterworld episode.
    “We talked about this, Waterworld episode behind the paywall”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:07:48 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (6)

  1. career (career): Dune → The Straight Story. Elephant Man and The Straight Story are Lynch's two most conventional narratives.
    “And his 2 most quote unquote conventional sort of straightforward narrative films are the straight story and elephant man”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:51:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Dune → Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi. Lynch chose Dune over Return of the Jedi.
    “that he makes Dune after being like, Dune is the right choice for me over return of the Jedi.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:59:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Dune → The Elephant Man. Elephant Man's hit status and Best Picture nomination made Lynch a director studios wanted.
    “David Lynch made the elephant man.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:00:20 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Patrick Stewart → Dune. Stewart's Gurney replaced Aldo Ray; this might be the performance that got him Picard.
    “clearly shows himself fast enough with this kind of shit that, like, you have to imagine this is the performance that gets him Picard.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:54:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. career (career): Dune → Blue Velvet. Lynch's next movie after Dune was with Dino De Laurentiis.
    “This makes it all the crazier that the next movie David Lynch makes is with Dino DeLorentis.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:10:25 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. career (career): Dune → Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks: The Return is the only other Lynch project that cost lots, because it was 16 hours long.
    “Yeah, Twin Peaks of Return is the only other thing he made that cost lots and lots of money, I feel like.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:12:06 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (6)

  1. contrast (contrast): Dune → Dune: Part Two. Part Two is built around Feyd-Rautha, who gets a couple of scenes in Lynch's film.
    “And especially when part 2 of the Villeneuve is all built around that character.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:20:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Dune → Dune: Part Two. Lynch compresses all of Part Two's story into a yada-yada summary.
    “It has the most insane yada, yada, yada, I have ever seen in a movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:29:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Dune → Dune (Sci-Fi Channel miniseries). The 2000 miniseries is a hyper-faithful script-on-screen adaptation versus Lynch's art object.
    “That thing is basically just someone being like, what if I just wrote down Dune as a screenplay.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:18:52 · John Hodgman (0.55 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Dune is counterintuitive science fiction while Star Wars is fantasy.
    “It's all this sort of counterintuitive science fiction stuff, which is why Dune is science fiction.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:57:44 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Star Wars prequels → Dune. The prequels' senate-and-grand-halls vibe resembles Dune's gilded, hermetic sci-fi, and audiences reacted badly.
    “Now, mind you, even though it is still fantasy, the prequels get into a lot more of this vibe and people largely react with boring.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:57:52 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Starman → Dune. Starman is political and rooted in reality, an interesting analog for where sci-fi was.
    “Yeah. But another interesting analog to like where sci-fi filmmaking is at where like carpenter's very political and is very rooted in reality.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:57:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (11)

  1. craft (visual joke): Twin Peaks: The Return, Part 8 → Dune. The purple sea gets a joke identification as Dune, with the worm floating by.
    “The worm floats by. That's the planet Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Twin Peaks: The Return (Episode 8) with Connor Ratliff · 1:25:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Dune → Dune. Villeneuve's film makes the plot easier to follow when watching Lynch's.
    “it's easier for me to track what's going on in the plot of this movie because I can keep relating it back to the movie that is more narratively functional.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:20:27 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Dune → Dune. Lynch's film reaches the end of Villeneuve's Part One in about 90 minutes, then crams the rest into 45.
    “Everything that he made the 2nd film is contained within 45 minutes.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:28:46 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Lynch's Dune looks as good as the original Star Wars films from a design standpoint.
    “I think this film looks as good as any of the original Star Wars films.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:40:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. The sandworm-riding finale fails as an effects climax where Star Wars' Death Star trench run succeeds.
    “Like, you know how Star Wars ends with the Death Star trench run?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:41:20 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Star Wars reuses sets cleverly while Dune builds a custom set for almost every scene.
    “You think about, like, Star Wars from 1977 and part of the great, like, filmmaking magic of that movie is how strategic they are in reusing certain elements.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:42:47 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Dune → Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi. Movement-heavy effects like the Jedi speeder chase are what Lucas pioneered and Lynch's film fails at.
    “And the movement stuff is the stuff that he specifically fails on that is the thing that Lucas was so good at.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:43:56 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Max von Sydow → Dune. Max von Sydow delivers the still-suit exposition without making anyone giggle.
    “He somehow delivers it in a way that doesn't make you giggle.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:53:36 · John Hodgman (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Toto → Dune. Toto composed the Dune score; the hosts praise it.
    “I love Toto score.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:14:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. craft (craft): Brian Eno → Dune. Eno contributed one piece, credited for the main theme, which Toto resented.
    “Brian Eno contributed one piece of music.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:14:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. craft (craft): Dune → Metropolis. Dune is one of the few films that fully achieves the awe of a completely realized world, like Metropolis.
    “this is one of the few, like, movies to fully kind of achieve for me the power of metropolis”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:16:25 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

industry (6)

  1. industry (industry): Dune → Waterworld. Studios padded odd-length movies with unfinished deleted scenes to fill TV slots, as discussed in the Waterworld episode.
    “We talked about this, Waterworld episode behind the paywall”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:07:48 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Dune → Ghostbusters. Dune was dropped into a summer and year of pure-pleasure blockbusters like Ghostbusters.
    “Set it aside and I'm like, dad, take me to go see Ghostbusters, which came out that summer.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:23:09 · John Hodgman (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Jodorowsky's Dune → Dune. Studios later used Jodorowsky's concept book as a menu for science fiction development.
    “They used it as a menu for science fiction film development for a generation.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:33:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Dune → Superman. Realizing a novel's iconography on screen risks looking dumb, like early superhero costumes before Reeve.
    “Only Christopher Reeve could really do it.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:39:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Dune → Beverly Hills Cop. Dune opened number 2 behind Beverly Hills Cop its opening weekend.
    “It is called Beverly Hills Cop.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:51:29 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Dune → The Cotton Club. Cotton Club and Dune are both mega flops of the era from great directors.
    “Number 5 at the box office is another mega flop of the era from a great director.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:55:08 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (lineage): Dune → Dune. The episode cannot be done without comparing Lynch's film to the Villeneuve movies.
    “We can't do this episode without comparing this movie to the Villanova films”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:19:09 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. The Dune book's messaging is credited as one of the things that inspired Star Wars.
    “And not only that, the messaging of this is one of the things that inspired Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:22:22 · John Hodgman (0.70 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): David Lowery → Dune. A later series guest, David Lowery, called Dune a very big film for him as a child.
    “we have an episode coming later in the series with David Lowry, who talked about Dune being a very big film for him”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:33:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (3)

  1. programming (programming): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Dune was positioned and released as the studio's answer to Star Wars, the next big space epic.
    “Uh, this movie is released with the energy of, here you go, here's the new Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:22:17 · John Hodgman (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Dune → Dune: Prophecy. An HBO Max Dune series is coming, which the hosts are excited for.
    “10 hours at the HBO Max series coming?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:50:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Dune → Blue Velvet. Next week's episode is Blue Velvet with Jamie Loftus.
    “Tune in next week for Blue Velvet with Jamie Loftus?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 3:02:27 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Dune's Fremen/revolution material is the denser source that Star Wars abstracts; the Force is Dune without the drugs.
    “the Force in Star Wars is like doom without the drugs.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:17:01 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Jupiter Ascending → Dune. Jupiter Ascending shares the palace-intrigue, gilded sci-fi mode.
    “I think it's a goofier movie, but Jupiter ascending has the same thing of like palace intrigue.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:58:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (tentpole hope): Dune → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. Dune was meant to be the new Star Wars franchise, Lynch writing the sequel, coloring books on shelves.
    “I thought it was going to be the Star Wars.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Starman with Katey Rich · 2:18:09 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (2)

  1. verdict (verdict): Dune → Dune. Lynch's film plays better now because Villeneuve's adaptation exists and takes the pressure off.
    “There is a pressure off of this movie.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:20:20 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): David Lynch → Dune. Lynch's visual weirdness survived even if the narrative is lost; the movie is an object of love.
    “And I do, I now have gotten to a place where I love it as an object.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:57:24 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

what-if (10)

  1. what-if (what-if): Peter Berg → Dune. Berg planned a Dune for normies, emphasizing boy's adventure over the weird stuff.
    “basically, he was going to, like, make Dune for normies.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:26:32 · John Hodgman (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): David Lean → Dune. David Lean was approached by the original rights holder and passed.
    “Martha P. Jacobs at one point wanted David Lean to make Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:29:46 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Dalton Trumbo → Dune. Trumbo was brought in at one point to write a script.
    “Dalton Trumbo was brought in”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:29:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. what-if (what-if): George Miller → Dune. Miller, off The Road Warrior, was the one obvious choice in 1984 to direct Dune.
    “there's the one obvious answer who in 1984 would have made sense to do Dune.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:36:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. what-if (what-if): Ridley Scott → Dune. Ridley Scott flirted with Dune but found it too similar to his earlier work.
    “Ridley Scott's the most obvious person who flirted with making this movie”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:42:03 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Dune. Val Kilmer was reportedly first choice for Paul and makes sense but was notoriously difficult.
    “Now, Val Kilmer, I believe, was the 1st choice to play Paulitrates, and makes so much sense.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:30 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. what-if (what-if): Peter Weller → Dune. Peter Weller was also considered for Paul.
    “Peter Weller?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. what-if (what-if): Tom Cruise → Dune. Tom Cruise was mentioned for Paul but feared too charismatic.
    “Obviously, Tom Cruise is also mentioned.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:44:35 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. what-if (what-if): Orson Welles → Dune. Welles was considered for the Baron; Divine too but had health issues.
    “Orson Wells, obviously, is considered for the Baron.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:47:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. what-if (what-if): Glenn Close → Dune. Glenn Close was the first pick for Jessica but passed over a damsel scene.
    “Glenn closed his number one pick for Lady Jessica.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:47:51 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Dune: The extended TV version was padded with outtakes by the studio, and Lynch had his name removed.
    “And Lynch hated them doing that so much that he demanded his name be taken off the TV version.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:08:25 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Dune: The sleeper must awaken line is Lynch's invention, not in the book, and ties to his transcendental meditation.
    “Not in there. That's Lynch.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:09:39 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Dune: Hodgman tried to read Dune before the movie at 13, gave up after two chapters, and begged to see Ghostbusters instead.
    “And I put Dune aside, having read maybe 2 chapters, barely being able to understand what was going on.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:23:30 · John Hodgman (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Dune: Hodgman's reading of Dune chapter one aloud in a thick Maine accent is behind his Substack paywall.
    “There is a 37 minute recording of me reading the 1st chapter of Dune out loud in a thick main accent.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:24:45 · John Hodgman (0.90 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Dune: Dune opened number 2 behind Beverly Hills Cop at $6 million, finishing at $27 million domestic, below Teachers and Cannonball Run 2.
    “Below teachers and Cannonball Run 2.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:32:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Dune: At the 1984 Brookline screening, a theater staffer handed out the studio's printed glossary of terms, and 13-year-old Hodgman read it so he would not have to talk to the girl next to him.
    “He ripped our tickets and then he handed me and Tim the famous glossary.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:33:34 · John Hodgman (0.90 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Dune: The girl and her mom beside Hodgman discussed the novel and the mom's favorite character was the sandworms.
    “and the mom said, I think my favorite character is the sandworms.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:35:28 · John Hodgman (0.90 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Dune: The Guild Navigator scene: a 20-foot tank holding a creature with a vagina mouth and T-Rex arms spitting orange drugs, Rambaldi's design, which Hodgman calls the linchpin of how he fell for the film.
    “that is like 20 feet high that is full of this phallus with a vagina mouth and T-Rex arms, with blue eyes that's spitting out orange drugs”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 0:48:49 · John Hodgman (0.75 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Dune: Merch: the toy sandworm was hidden behind a top-secret bar on the packaging cross-sell.
    “And then they put like a fucking bar over it that said top secret.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:41:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Dune: See the cat-and-rat milking scene: Thufir must milk a cat taped to a rat for the antidote; pure Lynch, not in the book, and Thufir is never seen again.
    “Inside a space cat carrier, and you're going to have to milk this cat for the antidote to the poison.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:03:24 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Dune: As the studio cut Lynch down, he focused on small scenes like the cat-rat to leave his fingerprint.
    “he would focus in on certain little scenes like the cat rat and be like, this is where I'm going to leave my fingerprint for this.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:06:32 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Dune: Griffin shows an on-mic reveal: a Dune coloring and activity book, bought after David Lowery mentioned it.
    “I've been keeping this under my fucking laptop for the on mic reveal.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:33:11 · Griffin Newman (0.70 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Dune: A milliner made 1,000 Fremen hats for a scene that was cut down to 200 extras and then 12, and the hats were burned.
    “And then they had to cut the extras down to 200, and they ended up only seeing 12, and the 1000 hats were burned.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:46:40 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Dune: The weirding way is replaced by weirding modules, boxes that go shush, because Lynch thought desert kung fu was too weird.
    “So instead they have boxes that go, shush.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:58:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.