Val Kilmer

Made films the shows talk about.

Wikidata Q191084: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only person by that name on Wikidata.

No film of theirs is counted: acting and studio count only when asked for, so what they drew on and who drew on them comes only from the lines with them at one end. Count them as actor (20 films) instead.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

No line says they, or a film of theirs, drew on anything.

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

No line says anything drew on them or a film of theirs.

What the speakers said they did

Acting (35) everyone in acting

Other (5) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

career (7)

  1. career (career): Russell Crowe → Val Kilmer. Crowe's choice between character actor and leading man is likened to the Val Kilmer and Brad Pitt conundrum.
    “This is the Val Kilmer Brad Pitt conundrum, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:19:07 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Val Kilmer → Batman Forever. Kilmer's Batman is called the worst Batman but he was a huge star.
    “the worst Batman, but still Heat 95.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:31 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Val Kilmer → Top Gun. Proposed apex: out of Top Gun, people thought he was neck and neck with Cruise.
    “I would imagine that Top Gun is his Apex Mountain”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Val Kilmer → Heat. Ryan nominates Heat as Kilmer's apex.
    “I'm going heat.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:39 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. career (career): Val Kilmer → Heat. Kilmer as De Niro's wingman in the biggest movie of the mid 90s.
    “He's De Nero's wingman.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:41 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. career (career): Val Kilmer → Willow. Another apex case: 1987 right after Top Gun in Willow.
    “you could make the case that it's 1987 right after Top Gun, because he's Willow, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:50:11 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. career (career): Val Kilmer → The Doors. Chris Ryan's personal Kilmer apex is The Doors, a movie he saw twice in theaters.
    “my personal apex with him is the Doors because I thought he was out of control in that movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:50:24 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. The other actors recognize Kilmer's performance and change theirs, becoming more buttoned down.
    “they change their performances to elevate his because nobody's really behaving quite in the same way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Val Kilmer → Kurt Russell. The film is a microcosm of both careers: Russell the necessary hero, Kilmer the heat-check guy.
    “I think this movie is the perfect microcosm of both of their careers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:12:28 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (theme): Val Kilmer → Kurt Russell. The Wyatt-Doc friendship is the real love story of the movie.
    “you can tell that that's the love story at the center of the movie is the 2 of them.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:37:49 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (same career tier): Alec Baldwin → Val Kilmer. Van says Baldwin and Kilmer were both A-listers whose IMDb never matched their talent.
    “I think him and Val Kummer occupied this strange space in that kind of 90s, early 2000s where they were A-listers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Edge’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan · 0:24:01 · Van Lathan (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Val Kilmer → The Island of Dr. Moreau. Defended or insisted-on bad Kilmer cinema.
    “Dr. Moreau 96, which I stand by until his death.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:38 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. Winner: Kilmer is the best one in it.
    “I think Val Kilmer wins the movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:13:15 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Dune. Val Kilmer was reportedly first choice for Paul and makes sense but was notoriously difficult.
    “Now, Val Kilmer, I believe, was the 1st choice to play Paulitrates, and makes so much sense.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:30 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → The Insider. Val Kilmer was up for the Wigand role, a significant what-if.
    “Just Val Kilmer was up for Wygand, which is pretty significant what if for this podcast”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:00:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Seven. Val Kilmer was another John Doe candidate; they wish they had a filmed car ride of it.
    “It would have been fucking awesome.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:01:56 · Bill Simmons (0.45 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Val Kilmer: Kilmer praised Russell for sacrificing his own role energy to save the film.
    “He said, I have admiration for Curtis.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Val Kilmer: Described as a free jazz, Byron-Shelley figure, coughing and sweating, while the Earps are solid American oak.
    “Morgan and Val Kilmer is just like free jazz happening”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:26 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Val Kilmer: Kilmer's accent compared to Yosemite Sam reading Oscar Wilde.
    “he's like if Yosemite Sam was trying to read Oscar Wilde.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:40:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)