The 13th Warrior (1999)

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Beowulf adaptations: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Beowulf adaptations ⇒ The 13th Warrior (the host's read). The film is the Beowulf story told as Crichton's 'what was the real thing they were fighting' version.
    “Even going back to Crichton's original concept of like, what's the real story behind Beowulf?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:25:39 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Michael Crichton: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Michael Crichton ⇒ The 13th Warrior (the host's read). Lowery read the Crichton novel and found the film is the book almost scene for scene.
    “reading the book, I was like, this is pretty much just scene for scene exactly what's on screen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:19:51 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)

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What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Michael Crichton: 2 lines lineage ×1 people ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Michael Crichton. Lowery read the Crichton novel and found the film is the book almost scene for scene.
    “reading the book, I was like, this is pretty much just scene for scene exactly what's on screen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:19:51 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)

The Thomas Crown Affair: 2 lines career ×2

  1. career (career): The Thomas Crown Affair → The 13th Warrior. Thomas Crown Affair read as McTiernan's safe, uncomplicated home run after the ordeal of this movie.
    “It just has to be uncomplicated, like fucking home run.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:56:11 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Timeline: 2 lines programming ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Timeline → The 13th Warrior. Both are castle-and-torches Crichton adaptations where Hollywood guessed Vikings/medieval and audiences did not care.
    “Both of those movies are lead actors who absolutely do not belong in this film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:42:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Antonio Banderas: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Antonio Banderas → The 13th Warrior. Banderas is miscast in a realism-minded role: the film tamps down his flamboyance and musicality.
    “I think this movie's aiming for sort of realism that hurts him.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:48:51 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)

Beowulf adaptations: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Beowulf adaptations. The film is the Beowulf story told as Crichton's 'what was the real thing they were fighting' version.
    “Even going back to Crichton's original concept of like, what's the real story behind Beowulf?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:25:39 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Flesh and Blood: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Flesh and Blood. Verhoeven's Flesh and Blood feels like being there; it's the better film, and both put medieval art on screen.
    “Flesh and blood is a better film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:34:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Gladiator: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Gladiator. Banderas was supposedly cast here and so dropped out of Gladiator, which was built for him.
    “And it's because of fucking Benderas being cast in the wrong movie, which causes him to drop out of the right movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:08:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Greg Nicotero: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Greg Nicotero. With two reshoot units and a tripled budget, nobody thought to hire Greg Nicotero for creature looks, so the monsters stay men in bear suits.
    “no one's like, hey, maybe hire Greg Nicatero and come with a couple cool looks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:24:56 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Heat: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The 13th Warrior → Heat. The scene of a mortal sitting to die while another watches reminded Lowery of De Niro watching Pacino in Heat.
    “It reminded me of Robert De Niro dying in heat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:28:42 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)

John Carter: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → John Carter. Cited alongside John Carter as one of the great Disney flops.
    “citing this movie alongside John Carter, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:20:00 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

John McTiernan: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (director): John McTiernan → The 13th Warrior. The 13th Warrior is saved for a McTiernan series.
    “Save that for McTiernan.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:19:19 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Lawrence of Arabia: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Lawrence of Arabia. The photochemical look and fine-art sense of image link it to David Lean-era filmmaking via Omar Sharif.
    “like, let's go to Lawrence Arabia, which was also completely photograph, like photochemical movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:34:51 · David Lowery (0.60 sure it was them)

Omar Sharif: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Omar Sharif → The 13th Warrior. Sharif disowned this kind of movie, saying he would stop meal-ticket films unless he found one he loved.
    “let us stop this nonsense, these meal tickets we do because they pay well”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:50:11 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Peter Pan and Wendy: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): The 13th Warrior → Peter Pan and Wendy. John DeSantis (a Viking here) is also in Master and Commander and Lowery's Peter Pan and Wendy.
    “And Peter Pan, who's who's taller than Michael Crichton”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:55:06 · David Lowery (0.70 sure it was them)

Season of the Witch: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The 13th Warrior → Season of the Witch. The speaker wants a McTiernan-elevated version of what Season of the Witch does: real knights facing something maybe supernatural.
    “I want the elevated McTiernan movie of what I think that movie accomplishes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:23:07 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

The 51st State (Formula 51): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 51st State (Formula 51) → The 13th Warrior. A retitle for the US (Formula 51) is the same mistake as renaming Eaters of the Dead.
    “The equivalent of the 13th Warrior.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:15:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Descent: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Descent. The pile of skulls and matriarch is utterly terrifying in The Descent; here the same elements are not scary.
    “Whereas in the descent, you're just like looking also at a pile of skulls with a matriarch of an underground society and you're like, this is utterly terrifying.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:22:37 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

The Flash: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Flash. Treating this movie as a must-work tentpole is compared to the Flash.
    “treat this movie like it's the Flash or whatever and say, like, we need this to work.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:25:29 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

The Great Gatsby: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → The Great Gatsby. Observer-narrator problem: the Nick Carraway type who just watches is hard to dramatize, as in Gatsby adaptations and here.
    “what do we do about this character who just watches everything happen and then is like idly thinking about it later?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:28:51 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

The Green Knight: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The Green Knight → The 13th Warrior. Lowery would want a Green Knight-style capped-budget version of this story, though now it would scare him.
    “the version of this I would want to see is the like Green Knight style version of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:26:59 · David Lowery (0.90 sure it was them)

The Haunting: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Haunting. Disney should have sold this as horror, as a shift to prestige horror was happening around it.
    “But I do think when a budget gets over a certain number, they're just like, this can't be horror.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:57:54 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Hobbit films: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Hobbit films. Even the Hobbit movies work to make characters visually distinctive; here the dark, muddy Vikings blur together.
    “even the fucking Hobbit movies”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:05:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Lone Ranger: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger raised as another Disney bomb that cost a fortune.
    “Well, but what's the one that cost so much?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:07:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Lord of the Rings: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings a few years later has the same content (monsters attacking a wooden fort, a cave of skulls) but with new digital tools.
    “even Lord of the Rings a few years later, which has a lot of the same scenes”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:32:25 · David Lowery (0.65 sure it was them)

The Northman: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → The Northman. The Northman is the modern take on Viking storytelling; Lowery rewatched its funeral scene because it echoes this film's incantation.
    “the same, the same incantation, like the low, I see my father, low, I see my mother”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:31:02 · David Lowery (0.80 sure it was them)

The Sixth Sense: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The 13th Warrior → The Sixth Sense. The Sixth Sense was Disney's own mega-hit, number one the weekend The 13th Warrior opened, covering their loss.
    “Disney's basically covered their losses from this movie”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:49:16 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Throne of Blood: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Throne of Blood. A threat that sounds mythic (fireworm, moving trees) and then resolves as people carrying things is a letdown, like Throne of Blood's trees.
    “I mean, I remember in Throne of Blood, the Kurosama movie, all the trees coming forward is terrifying, cool.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:24:12 · David Lowery (0.70 sure it was them)

Tom Savini: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Tom Savini. McTiernan's R-rated reshoots bolted on gore effects in the vein of Tom Savini, though there are not many of them.
    “just doing like Tom Savini gags, which, yeah, there aren't even that many.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:00:32 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Tomorrowland: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → Tomorrowland. Tomorrowland named among the biggest Disney money-losers that came after this one.
    “Tomorrowland's in the top 10.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:07:00 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Warriors of Virtue: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Warriors of Virtue → The 13th Warrior. Ben mistook the two when he was asked to fill in, and thought McTiernan had made the kangaroo movie.
    “geez, John McTiernan's career must have taken a really strange turn to do the kangaroo movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:13:41 · Ben Frisch (0.85 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): The 13th Warrior → The Thomas Crown Affair. McTiernan finished and released Thomas Crown first; its success cushioned the damage of the 13th Warrior flop.
    “Thomas Crown comes out 3 weeks before”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:10:20 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Omar Sharif → The 13th Warrior. Sharif disowned this kind of movie, saying he would stop meal-ticket films unless he found one he loved.
    “let us stop this nonsense, these meal tickets we do because they pay well”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:50:11 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): The Thomas Crown Affair → The 13th Warrior. Thomas Crown Affair read as McTiernan's safe, uncomplicated home run after the ordeal of this movie.
    “It just has to be uncomplicated, like fucking home run.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:56:11 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (3)

  1. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Hobbit films. Even the Hobbit movies work to make characters visually distinctive; here the dark, muddy Vikings blur together.
    “even the fucking Hobbit movies”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:05:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Descent. The pile of skulls and matriarch is utterly terrifying in The Descent; here the same elements are not scary.
    “Whereas in the descent, you're just like looking also at a pile of skulls with a matriarch of an underground society and you're like, this is utterly terrifying.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:22:37 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The 13th Warrior → The Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings a few years later has the same content (monsters attacking a wooden fort, a cave of skulls) but with new digital tools.
    “even Lord of the Rings a few years later, which has a lot of the same scenes”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:32:25 · David Lowery (0.65 sure it was them)

craft (5)

  1. craft (craft): Antonio Banderas → The 13th Warrior. Banderas is miscast in a realism-minded role: the film tamps down his flamboyance and musicality.
    “I think this movie's aiming for sort of realism that hurts him.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:48:51 · David Sims (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Tom Savini. McTiernan's R-rated reshoots bolted on gore effects in the vein of Tom Savini, though there are not many of them.
    “just doing like Tom Savini gags, which, yeah, there aren't even that many.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:00:32 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Throne of Blood. A threat that sounds mythic (fireworm, moving trees) and then resolves as people carrying things is a letdown, like Throne of Blood's trees.
    “I mean, I remember in Throne of Blood, the Kurosama movie, all the trees coming forward is terrifying, cool.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:24:12 · David Lowery (0.70 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → The Great Gatsby. Observer-narrator problem: the Nick Carraway type who just watches is hard to dramatize, as in Gatsby adaptations and here.
    “what do we do about this character who just watches everything happen and then is like idly thinking about it later?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:28:51 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): The 13th Warrior → Lawrence of Arabia. The photochemical look and fine-art sense of image link it to David Lean-era filmmaking via Omar Sharif.
    “like, let's go to Lawrence Arabia, which was also completely photograph, like photochemical movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:34:51 · David Lowery (0.60 sure it was them)

industry (6)

  1. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → Tomorrowland. Tomorrowland named among the biggest Disney money-losers that came after this one.
    “Tomorrowland's in the top 10.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:07:00 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger raised as another Disney bomb that cost a fortune.
    “Well, but what's the one that cost so much?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:07:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): The 51st State (Formula 51) → The 13th Warrior. A retitle for the US (Formula 51) is the same mistake as renaming Eaters of the Dead.
    “The equivalent of the 13th Warrior.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:15:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → John Carter. Cited alongside John Carter as one of the great Disney flops.
    “citing this movie alongside John Carter, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:20:00 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Flash. Treating this movie as a must-work tentpole is compared to the Flash.
    “treat this movie like it's the Flash or whatever and say, like, we need this to work.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:25:29 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): The 13th Warrior → The Haunting. Disney should have sold this as horror, as a shift to prestige horror was happening around it.
    “But I do think when a budget gets over a certain number, they're just like, this can't be horror.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:57:54 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (4)

  1. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Michael Crichton. Lowery read the Crichton novel and found the film is the book almost scene for scene.
    “reading the book, I was like, this is pretty much just scene for scene exactly what's on screen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:19:51 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Beowulf adaptations. The film is the Beowulf story told as Crichton's 'what was the real thing they were fighting' version.
    “Even going back to Crichton's original concept of like, what's the real story behind Beowulf?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:25:39 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → The Northman. The Northman is the modern take on Viking storytelling; Lowery rewatched its funeral scene because it echoes this film's incantation.
    “the same, the same incantation, like the low, I see my father, low, I see my mother”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:31:02 · David Lowery (0.80 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): The 13th Warrior → Flesh and Blood. Verhoeven's Flesh and Blood feels like being there; it's the better film, and both put medieval art on screen.
    “Flesh and blood is a better film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:34:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

people (4)

  1. people (people): Warriors of Virtue → The 13th Warrior. Ben mistook the two when he was asked to fill in, and thought McTiernan had made the kangaroo movie.
    “geez, John McTiernan's career must have taken a really strange turn to do the kangaroo movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:13:41 · Ben Frisch (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): The 13th Warrior → Peter Pan and Wendy. John DeSantis (a Viking here) is also in Master and Commander and Lowery's Peter Pan and Wendy.
    “And Peter Pan, who's who's taller than Michael Crichton”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:55:06 · David Lowery (0.70 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): The 13th Warrior → Michael Crichton. Crichton claimed final cut while McTiernan was still shooting his own version on the same lot.
    “Yeah, Crichton was like, I have final cut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:01:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. people (director): John McTiernan → The 13th Warrior. The 13th Warrior is saved for a McTiernan series.
    “Save that for McTiernan.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:19:19 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): The 13th Warrior → Timeline. Timeline and The 13th Warrior called a brutal Crichton double feature.
    “Man, Timeline and the 13th Warrior would be a brutal double feature.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:41:55 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): The 13th Warrior → The Sixth Sense. The Sixth Sense was Disney's own mega-hit, number one the weekend The 13th Warrior opened, covering their loss.
    “Disney's basically covered their losses from this movie”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:49:16 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

theme (3)

  1. theme (theme): The 13th Warrior → Heat. The scene of a mortal sitting to die while another watches reminded Lowery of De Niro watching Pacino in Heat.
    “It reminded me of Robert De Niro dying in heat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:28:42 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Timeline → The 13th Warrior. Both are castle-and-torches Crichton adaptations where Hollywood guessed Vikings/medieval and audiences did not care.
    “Both of those movies are lead actors who absolutely do not belong in this film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:42:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): The 13th Warrior → Season of the Witch. The speaker wants a McTiernan-elevated version of what Season of the Witch does: real knights facing something maybe supernatural.
    “I want the elevated McTiernan movie of what I think that movie accomplishes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:23:07 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): The Green Knight → The 13th Warrior. Lowery would want a Green Knight-style capped-budget version of this story, though now it would scare him.
    “the version of this I would want to see is the like Green Knight style version of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:26:59 · David Lowery (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Gladiator. Banderas was supposedly cast here and so dropped out of Gladiator, which was built for him.
    “And it's because of fucking Benderas being cast in the wrong movie, which causes him to drop out of the right movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:08:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): The 13th Warrior → Greg Nicotero. With two reshoot units and a tripled budget, nobody thought to hire Greg Nicotero for creature looks, so the monsters stay men in bear suits.
    “no one's like, hey, maybe hire Greg Nicatero and come with a couple cool looks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:24:56 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about The 13th Warrior: By some accounts the biggest money loser in Hollywood history at the time; only a couple of later Disney flops (John Carter) arguably surpass it.
    “This, by some accounts, is the biggest money loser in the history of Hollywood.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:06:10 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Lowery texted that he talks about this movie with odd frequency for a film he had not seen since it opened.
    “13th Warrior is something I talk about with odd frequency for a movie I haven't seen since it opened.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:12:04 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Lowery read the whole novel while waiting for the start of the New York City Marathon.
    “the book was short enough that I read the entire thing while waiting to start the marathon?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:19:20 · David Lowery (0.75 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Dueling reshoot units: McTiernan and Crichton each shot reshoots on different stages of the same complex, with the cast shuttling between them.
    “but at one point there are dueling reshoot units, we're on different stages, in the same complex.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:21:06 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about The 13th Warrior: The Beowulf surrogate's death scene, a man sitting down to die while another watches, stuck with Lowery as a mortal passing into legend.
    “And that moment stuck with me, where he just sits there and dying is like, an inherently pathetic act.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:28:21 · David Lowery (0.90 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about The 13th Warrior: As a young projectionist Lowery threaded the original Eaters of the Dead trailer, and studios sent letters to pull trailers when release dates slipped.
    “The 1st trailer had Eaters of the Dead as the title on it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 0:32:27 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Studio goes against type: they funneled more money in to make it R-rated, rather than recutting to PG-13.
    “I cannot think of another example of that where studio is like, we're going to funnel more money in and make it R-rated.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:00:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Producer Kulich recalled Crichton telling him that whatever he shot with McTiernan would not end up in the movie.
    “whatever you're doing over there, it's not going to end up in the movie, so don't put too much work into it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:01:34 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Crichton thought the mother of the monsters should be hot; they shot it both ways with two actresses.
    “Crichton thought she should be hot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:02:56 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about The 13th Warrior: The language-learning scene is the film's best: English, a Scandinavian language and Latin blend until Banderas says 'I listened.' See it on YouTube.
    “a really good line delivery from Band Aris where he's like, I listened.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:18:04 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about The 13th Warrior: Lowery on film stock: O Brother was the first full digital intermediate, after which everyone had the new toolbox.
    “Oh, I guess O brother is the 1st full DI.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:35:43 · David Lowery (0.60 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about The 13th Warrior: ADR rant: Lowery despises dialogue added with actors' backs to camera and says filmmakers' eyes twitch the second they see it.
    “I've been guilty of it, sometimes under duress, and I despise it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The 13th Warrior with David Lowery (Ad-Free) · 1:44:46 · David Lowery (0.85 sure it was them)

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