Alien 3 (1992)

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Wikidata Q108543, film, IMDb tt0103644, TMDB 8077: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 2 more episodes agree.

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Sigourney Weaver: 3 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×2

  1. unmapped (creative input): Sigourney Weaver ⇒ Alien 3 (the maker said so). Weaver's top input was no guns, in reaction to the gun focus of Aliens.
    “She was like, Hollywood's 2 gun obsessed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:07:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (callback): Alien ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). The Bishop remains scene echoes the original film's reactivated-android scene.
    “And just kind of a fun throwback to the, uh, original alien thing where you like take the puppet, you kind of get it ready.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:58:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Aliens: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (sequel): Aliens ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Vincent Ward: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. unmapped (unused draft): Vincent Ward ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Elements of Ward's wooden-planet monks draft survive in the finished film.
    “But that's where that's the 1st iteration that's that's still represented in there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:25:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien 3 (work print cut): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. industry (changed by studio): Alien 3 (work print cut) ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Fox pushed the ox-like creature to become a dog.
    “And yeah, the studio was like, it'll be better if it's a dog”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:43:25 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

David Twohy: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (origin of the prison planet): David Twohy ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Twohy brought the prison-planet concept into the development.
    “Twowey is the one who brings in the prison planet concept, okay?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:56:20 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

H.R. Giger: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (design contribution): H.R. Giger ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Giger's design work was mostly discarded; the Bambi Burster rod puppet was the main thing of his that ended up in the film.
    “that was apparently the main thing that he had an influence on that actually ended up in the film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Psycho: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (homage (scene)): Psycho ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Charles Dance's shower-curtain death is read as Fincher's own 'Hitchcock moment', after a cast member said Fincher called it that; the Psycho identification is the speaker's.
    “Fincher would talk to him about his influence and be like, well, this is my Hitchcock moment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:18:07 · Matt Singer (0.35 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Alien Resurrection: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (sequel undoes ending): Alien 3 ⇒ Alien Resurrection (the host's read). Resurrection brings Ripley back as a clone, which undoes Alien 3's chosen death.
    “My nuclear take is bringing her back to life as a clone is more disrespectful than killing, uh, hicks and newt in this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:06:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Alien Resurrection: 7 lines contrast ×3 lineage ×2 theme ×2

  1. contrast (contrast): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. Ripley died on her own terms taking the chestburster; Resurrection cuts the alien out of her clone.
    “Ripley dies on her own terms and she takes the alien chest burster with her, and she settles the score”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:22:30 · David Sims (0.70 sure it was them)

Aliens: 3 lines lineage ×2 industry ×1

  1. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

David Fincher: 3 lines verdict ×1 career ×1 lineage ×1

  1. lineage (origin wound): David Fincher → Alien 3. Alien 3 is the primal scene of Fincher's chip on his shoulder, producers treating him like a shoe salesman.
    “there's the chip on the shoulder and the primal scene of alien 3, right?”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:59:46 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)

Sigourney Weaver: 3 lines unmapped ×3

  1. unmapped (creative input): Sigourney Weaver → Alien 3. Weaver insisted on the queen-embryo-inside-her angle.
    “It's a decision that Rip Weaver basically insisted on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:32:35 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (callback): Alien → Alien 3. The Bishop remains scene echoes the original film's reactivated-android scene.
    “And just kind of a fun throwback to the, uh, original alien thing where you like take the puppet, you kind of get it ready.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:58:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Fight Club: 2 lines industry ×1 unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (critic's verdict): Fight Club → Alien 3. In his Fight Club review Ebert called Alien 3 one of the best looking bad movies.
    “So Fight Club is when he said Alien 3 is one of the best looking bad movies I've ever seen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:12:27 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)

Seven: 2 lines career ×2

  1. career (career): Seven → Alien 3. Fincher's miserable Alien 3 experience made him swear off features; the Se7en script pulled him back.
    “it was only because he loved the script so much, the 7 script that he ultimately decided to do this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Vincent Ward: 2 lines unmapped ×2

  1. unmapped (unused draft): Vincent Ward → Alien 3. Elements of Ward's wooden-planet monks draft survive in the finished film.
    “But that's where that's the 1st iteration that's that's still represented in there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:25:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

William Gibson: 2 lines unmapped ×2

  1. unmapped (rejected draft): William Gibson → Alien 3. Gibson wrote a space-commies draft that Fox rejected; it later became a graphic novel.
    “I just want to point out the William Gibson script has, I believe a year or 2 ago, got adapted into a graphic novel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:31:35 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien 3 (work print cut): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (changed by studio): Alien 3 (work print cut) → Alien 3. Fox pushed the ox-like creature to become a dog.
    “And yeah, the studio was like, it'll be better if it's a dog”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:43:25 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien: Covenant: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Alien 3. Alien 3 had convicts.
    “Alien 3 convicts.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:29:45 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Aliens (toy line): 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (merchandise): Aliens (toy line) → Alien 3. The animal-aliens toy line sold under the Aliens brand around Alien 3, and the idea of multiple infected animals was once a story premise.
    “But there was a point where the premise was that you were going to have multiple face huggers infecting different animals”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:36:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Blade: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (crew who became directors): Alien 3 → Blade. Effects-team members on Alien 3 (Norrington, Cunningham) went on to direct.
    “A lot of guys who later go on to become directors were in the effects team on this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:47:32 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

Blade Runner: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (cut comparison): Alien 3 → Blade Runner. Wants a third Alien 3 cut that meets in the middle, Blade Runner Final Cut style.
    “I almost want a Blade Runner style final cut thing where it's like, now we need a 3rd cut that meets in the middle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:16:00 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

Bop Till You Drop (Rick Springfield video): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (style echo): Bop Till You Drop (Rick Springfield video) → Alien 3. Marie notes the Springfield video already has industrial, alien-like imagery a decade before Alien 3.
    “I was like, oh, wait, so he was already sort of doing... Industrial... Industrial... alien stuff like 10 years prior.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 0:06:19 · Marie Bardi (0.70 sure it was them)

David Lean: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (Fincher's pitch): David Lean → Alien 3. Fincher says his original pitch was like a David Lean movie, much bigger and more political than what Fox allowed.
    “He says, okay, my pitch was like a David Lean movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:05:22 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

David Twohy: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (origin of the prison planet): David Twohy → Alien 3. Twohy brought the prison-planet concept into the development.
    “Twowey is the one who brings in the prison planet concept, okay?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:56:20 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Eraserhead: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Eraserhead → Alien 3. Alien 3 resists categorizing because of its complicated production.
    “I think it's got to be a middle bucket just because of how complicated the birthing process.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eraserhead (Ad-Free) · 0:15:26 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

G.I. Jane: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (bald-head moment): Alien 3 → G.I. Jane. Weaver's shaved head was a mic-drop moment five years before G.I. Jane did similar.
    “especially like, what, 5 years before G.I. Jane, which similarly causes like a big thing to be like, holy shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:45:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

H.R. Giger: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (design contribution): H.R. Giger → Alien 3. Giger's design work was mostly discarded; the Bambi Burster rod puppet was the main thing of his that ended up in the film.
    “that was apparently the main thing that he had an influence on that actually ended up in the film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Alien 3 → Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. Alien 3 lets a character story end, where Dial of Destiny tries to put a period on one and still doesn't.
    “why don't we let character stories end?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:26:37 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

Joan of Arc: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (imagery): Alien 3 → Joan of Arc. The shaved head gives Ripley the whole Joan of Arc thing, foreshadowing the fire ending.
    “it gives the whole Joan of Arc thing to the movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:30:33 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

Johnny B (The Hooters video): 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (look): Johnny B (The Hooters video) → Alien 3. The Hooters video enters through rusty pipes that feel like Alien 3.
    “We entered into this environment through a bunch of rusty pipes that felt very alien three.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 0:42:01 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Jordan Cronenweth: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (replaced DP): Jordan Cronenweth → Alien 3. Cronenweth shot a few weeks and left because his Parkinson's progressed.
    “Jordan Cronin with shot this movie for a few weeks and then had to retire mid-filming”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:05:16 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Lethal Weapon 3: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (box-office rival): Alien 3 → Lethal Weapon 3. On Alien 3's opening weekend Lethal Weapon 3 held the number one spot.
    “It's an action sequel holding on to the number one spot”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 2:01:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Mad Max (series): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (aesthetic): Alien 3 → Mad Max (series). The sweaty, mucky prisoners give the movie Mad Max vibes.
    “Real Mad Max vibes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:49:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (analogy): Alien 3 → Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning. Mother Mode's pop-up flood on the Blu-ray is likened to Gabriel in the entity tank.
    “to invoke the recently released uh, Mission Impossible dead reckoning when when Gabriel goes into like the entity tank.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:13:58 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

Neill Blomkamp: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Neill Blomkamp → Alien 3. Blomkamp's unmade Alien film would have ignored Alien 3.
    “his thing was going to be ignoring this, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:24:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Alien 3 → Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel. Blomkamp threatened a direct Aliens sequel ignoring everything after it.
    “Neil Blomkamp's, you know, threat for years that he was going to do, an alien sequel that was a direct aliens sequel”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:32:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Nine Inch Nails: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (aesthetic): Alien 3 → Nine Inch Nails. The industrial look of the movie feels like Nine Inch Nails and may have been blasted on set.
    “It's very possible it was being blasted on set in between takes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:15:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Pitch Black: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (shared vibe / shared writer): Alien 3 → Pitch Black. Pitch Black reads as Alien-adjacent and as Alien 3-specific; the same writer (Twohy) is behind both.
    “And it's almost very alien 3 vibe specific.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:54:49 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

Prometheus: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (franchise lore): Alien 3 → Prometheus. The company is best as a thing you ladle out; the Ridley Scott prequels show more of it.
    “I'm a huge defender of those movies, but like the more you hear about the company and then the worse.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:47:30 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

Psycho: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (homage (scene)): Psycho → Alien 3. Charles Dance's shower-curtain death is read as Fincher's own 'Hitchcock moment', after a cast member said Fincher called it that; the Psycho identification is the speaker's.
    “Fincher would talk to him about his influence and be like, well, this is my Hitchcock moment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:18:07 · Matt Singer (0.35 sure it was them)

Resident Evil: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (pairing): Alien 3 → Resident Evil. Resident Evil should not be programmed next to Alien; wait for in-person sessions.
    “Also, you can't put it next to Alien because Resident Evil does, well, not, that will not be good for Resident Evil.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:35:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (thematic): Alien 3 → RoboCop. Both franchises have a looming company willing to feed people into the grinder.
    “Like, like, alien and Robocop as franchises both have these like big looming companies that are willing to throw like any human beings into the grinder.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:54:13 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Roger Ebert: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (review): Roger Ebert → Alien 3. Ebert gave it two thumbs down and said the chases were contrivances because the aliens could always outrun the humans.
    “Ebert says, I lost interest in Alien 3 when I realized that the aliens could at all times outrun and outleap the humans”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:12:33 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)

Sinead O'Connor: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (visual echo): Alien 3 → Sinead O'Connor. A candle shot feels like an early-90s video, maybe Sinead O'Connor's.
    “That's a very 90s video shot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:00:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Snyder Cut (Justice League): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (cut comparison): Alien 3 → Snyder Cut (Justice League). The assembly cut is viewed like the Snyder Cut: interesting for laying out the intentions, but not a functioning movie.
    “This time I viewed it more like, uh, uh, Zach, the the Snyder Cut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:14:45 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (set-piece comparison): Alien 3 → Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The molten-metal foundry finale resembles the end of Terminator 2.
    “I was going to say, it's very much like the end of Terminator 2”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:44:43 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

The Game: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (control and budget arc): Alien 3 → The Game. Alien 3 had money but no control; The Game is where Fincher gets both.
    “Alien 3 is a lot of money, but they don't give them a lot of control.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:34:40 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Killer: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (autobiographical reading): The Killer → Alien 3. The meeting with the client reads as Fincher meeting the creative exec who messed up Alien 3.
    “Fincher is getting a face-to-face meeting with like the creative exec who fucked Alien 3.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 1:35:25 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them)

The Thing: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (tonal comparison): Alien 3 → The Thing. The dog scene and its child autopsy carry The Thing vibes.
    “It has the thing vibes as well, obviously.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:22:28 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

Treasure Planet: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (joke): Alien 3 → Treasure Planet. Ben once said he was disappointed the whole Treasure Planet wasn't a treasure (a chest); the wooden planet draws the same bit.
    “said I was disappointed that the entire planet wasn't a treasure?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:58:17 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Walter Hill: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (rewrite): Walter Hill → Alien 3. Hill came back and turned the monks into prisoners and the wooden planet into a factory prison.
    “So then Walter Hill comes back kind of, you know, who produced the 1st one, you know, and he, he kind of like updates it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:26:07 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): David Fincher → Alien 3. Fincher fought the studio on Alien 3 in press coverage, with Sigourney Weaver backing him, then seemed unlikely to direct again.
    “And Sigourney Weaver stuck up for him.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:29 · Bill Simmons (0.75 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Seven → Alien 3. Fincher's miserable Alien 3 experience made him swear off features; the Se7en script pulled him back.
    “it was only because he loved the script so much, the 7 script that he ultimately decided to do this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. career (career sequence): Alien 3 → Seven. After Alien 3, Fincher didn't want to make another movie and told reps not to send scripts, which is why Mank was all he was reading.
    “Well, he also had the attitude post-alien 3 of like, I never want to make a movie again.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 0:32:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

contrast (5)

  1. contrast (contrast): Eraserhead → Alien 3. Alien 3 resists categorizing because of its complicated production.
    “I think it's got to be a middle bucket just because of how complicated the birthing process.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eraserhead (Ad-Free) · 0:15:26 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Alien 3 → Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. Alien 3 lets a character story end, where Dial of Destiny tries to put a period on one and still doesn't.
    “why don't we let character stories end?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:26:37 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. Alien 3 is grim; Resurrection is whimsical and odd.
    “Well, the last one's just so grim, whereas this one is kind of whimsical.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:04:06 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. Alien 3 ended with Ripley's noble sacrifice in lava; Resurrection undoes it by cloning her.
    “She falls into lava, and that's the end of that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:07:24 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. Ripley died on her own terms taking the chestburster; Resurrection cuts the alien out of her clone.
    “Ripley dies on her own terms and she takes the alien chest burster with her, and she settles the score”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 0:22:30 · David Sims (0.70 sure it was them)

craft (5)

  1. craft (style echo): Bop Till You Drop (Rick Springfield video) → Alien 3. Marie notes the Springfield video already has industrial, alien-like imagery a decade before Alien 3.
    “I was like, oh, wait, so he was already sort of doing... Industrial... Industrial... alien stuff like 10 years prior.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 0:06:19 · Marie Bardi (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. craft (design contribution): H.R. Giger → Alien 3. Giger's design work was mostly discarded; the Bambi Burster rod puppet was the main thing of his that ended up in the film.
    “that was apparently the main thing that he had an influence on that actually ended up in the film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. craft (aesthetic): Alien 3 → Nine Inch Nails. The industrial look of the movie feels like Nine Inch Nails and may have been blasted on set.
    “It's very possible it was being blasted on set in between takes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:15:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (aesthetic): Alien 3 → Mad Max (series). The sweaty, mucky prisoners give the movie Mad Max vibes.
    “Real Mad Max vibes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:49:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (visual echo): Alien 3 → Sinead O'Connor. A candle shot feels like an early-90s video, maybe Sinead O'Connor's.
    “That's a very 90s video shot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:00:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (6)

  1. industry (studio history): Alien 3 → Fight Club. Fincher's bad time at Fox on Alien 3 is why he did not want Fox to have Fight Club.
    “he had obviously had a terrible experience with Fox, doing Alien three.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 0:55:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (control and budget arc): Alien 3 → The Game. Alien 3 had money but no control; The Game is where Fincher gets both.
    “Alien 3 is a lot of money, but they don't give them a lot of control.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:34:40 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. industry (franchise expectation): Aliens → Alien 3. The Cameron film is such an obvious high point that nobody can zag from it, except into despair.
    “Where the hell are you gonna zag from that?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:50:52 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  4. industry (franchise lore): Alien 3 → Prometheus. The company is best as a thing you ladle out; the Ridley Scott prequels show more of it.
    “I'm a huge defender of those movies, but like the more you hear about the company and then the worse.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:47:30 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. industry (box-office rival): Alien 3 → Lethal Weapon 3. On Alien 3's opening weekend Lethal Weapon 3 held the number one spot.
    “It's an action sequel holding on to the number one spot”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 2:01:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. industry (changed by studio): Alien 3 (work print cut) → Alien 3. Fox pushed the ox-like creature to become a dog.
    “And yeah, the studio was like, it'll be better if it's a dog”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:43:25 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

lineage (10)

  1. lineage (origin wound): David Fincher → Alien 3. Alien 3 is the primal scene of Fincher's chip on his shoulder, producers treating him like a shoe salesman.
    “there's the chip on the shoulder and the primal scene of alien 3, right?”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:59:46 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (sequel): Alien 3 → Alien Resurrection. Resurrection follows Alien 3, but its Ripley is a different character from the one who died.
    “As much as she was quote unquote resurrected, obviously, that's a different character explicitly.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:24:13 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 follows Aliens; watched back to back, Aliens ends on a new family that Alien 3 then kills.
    “you watch aliens and that has this ending of, you know, this new family that has been created.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:30:17 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (origin of the prison planet): David Twohy → Alien 3. Twohy brought the prison-planet concept into the development.
    “Twowey is the one who brings in the prison planet concept, okay?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:56:20 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (homage (scene)): Psycho → Alien 3. Charles Dance's shower-curtain death is read as Fincher's own 'Hitchcock moment', after a cast member said Fincher called it that; the Psycho identification is the speaker's.
    “Fincher would talk to him about his influence and be like, well, this is my Hitchcock moment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:18:07 · Matt Singer (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Alien: Covenant → Alien 3. Alien 3 had convicts.
    “Alien 3 convicts.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Covenant · 0:29:45 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (sequel): Aliens → Alien 3. Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (callback): Alien → Alien 3. The Bishop remains scene echoes the original film's reactivated-android scene.
    “And just kind of a fun throwback to the, uh, original alien thing where you like take the puppet, you kind of get it ready.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:58:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (sequel undoes ending): Alien 3 → Alien Resurrection. Resurrection brings Ripley back as a clone, which undoes Alien 3's chosen death.
    “My nuclear take is bringing her back to life as a clone is more disrespectful than killing, uh, hicks and newt in this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:06:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  10. lineage (callback): Alien → Alien 3. The ending coda replays Ripley's tape from the first film.
    “You play back her tape from the end of the 1st movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:07:28 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (crew who became directors): Alien 3 → Blade. Effects-team members on Alien 3 (Norrington, Cunningham) went on to direct.
    “A lot of guys who later go on to become directors were in the effects team on this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:47:32 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. people (shared vibe / shared writer): Alien 3 → Pitch Black. Pitch Black reads as Alien-adjacent and as Alien 3-specific; the same writer (Twohy) is behind both.
    “And it's almost very alien 3 vibe specific.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:54:49 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (pairing): Alien 3 → Resident Evil. Resident Evil should not be programmed next to Alien; wait for in-person sessions.
    “Also, you can't put it next to Alien because Resident Evil does, well, not, that will not be good for Resident Evil.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:35:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (8)

  1. theme (analogy): Alien 3 → Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning. Mother Mode's pop-up flood on the Blu-ray is likened to Gabriel in the entity tank.
    “to invoke the recently released uh, Mission Impossible dead reckoning when when Gabriel goes into like the entity tank.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:13:58 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. theme (cut comparison): Alien 3 → Snyder Cut (Justice League). The assembly cut is viewed like the Snyder Cut: interesting for laying out the intentions, but not a functioning movie.
    “This time I viewed it more like, uh, uh, Zach, the the Snyder Cut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:14:45 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. theme (cut comparison): Alien 3 → Blade Runner. Wants a third Alien 3 cut that meets in the middle, Blade Runner Final Cut style.
    “I almost want a Blade Runner style final cut thing where it's like, now we need a 3rd cut that meets in the middle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:16:00 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. theme (tonal comparison): Alien 3 → The Thing. The dog scene and its child autopsy carry The Thing vibes.
    “It has the thing vibes as well, obviously.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:22:28 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. The alien-hybrid birth echoes Alien 3's mommy-child relationship; this one is treated as parent and child.
    “But much like an Alien 3, it's like, oh, hey, mommy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 1:48:20 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. theme (theme): Alien Resurrection → Alien 3. The studio could not settle on a sad ending, perhaps afraid after Alien 3.
    “They just can't... settle on a sad ending and they should have.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien: Resurrection · 1:59:09 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. theme (set-piece comparison): Alien 3 → Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The molten-metal foundry finale resembles the end of Terminator 2.
    “I was going to say, it's very much like the end of Terminator 2”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:44:43 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. theme (thematic): Alien 3 → RoboCop. Both franchises have a looming company willing to feed people into the grinder.
    “Like, like, alien and Robocop as franchises both have these like big looming companies that are willing to throw like any human beings into the grinder.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:54:13 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (17)

  1. unmapped (autobiographical reading): The Killer → Alien 3. The meeting with the client reads as Fincher meeting the creative exec who messed up Alien 3.
    “Fincher is getting a face-to-face meeting with like the creative exec who fucked Alien 3.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killer with Marie Bardi (Ad-Free) · 1:35:25 · unknown (host) (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (look): Johnny B (The Hooters video) → Alien 3. The Hooters video enters through rusty pipes that feel like Alien 3.
    “We entered into this environment through a bunch of rusty pipes that felt very alien three.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 0:42:01 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (unproduced script): William Gibson → Alien 3. Gibson's famous unproduced script is mostly about Hicks and is very different from the film that got made.
    “It's a very cool script, I will say.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:51:53 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (joke): Alien 3 → Treasure Planet. Ben once said he was disappointed the whole Treasure Planet wasn't a treasure (a chest); the wooden planet draws the same bit.
    “said I was disappointed that the entire planet wasn't a treasure?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:58:17 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (concept merged in): Vincent Ward → Alien 3. The film is built from Ward's monk concept pushed together with the prison planet; his only surviving credit is story.
    “they mishing up the monks with the prison planet, they turn the monks into prisoners, but they're kind of religious.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:01:11 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (Fincher's pitch): David Lean → Alien 3. Fincher says his original pitch was like a David Lean movie, much bigger and more political than what Fox allowed.
    “He says, okay, my pitch was like a David Lean movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:05:22 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. unmapped (critic's verdict): Fight Club → Alien 3. In his Fight Club review Ebert called Alien 3 one of the best looking bad movies.
    “So Fight Club is when he said Alien 3 is one of the best looking bad movies I've ever seen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:12:27 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. unmapped (imagery): Alien 3 → Joan of Arc. The shaved head gives Ripley the whole Joan of Arc thing, foreshadowing the fire ending.
    “it gives the whole Joan of Arc thing to the movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:30:33 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. unmapped (unused draft): Vincent Ward → Alien 3. Elements of Ward's wooden-planet monks draft survive in the finished film.
    “But that's where that's the 1st iteration that's that's still represented in there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:25:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  10. unmapped (rewrite): Walter Hill → Alien 3. Hill came back and turned the monks into prisoners and the wooden planet into a factory prison.
    “So then Walter Hill comes back kind of, you know, who produced the 1st one, you know, and he, he kind of like updates it”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:26:07 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. unmapped (rejected draft): William Gibson → Alien 3. Gibson wrote a space-commies draft that Fox rejected; it later became a graphic novel.
    “I just want to point out the William Gibson script has, I believe a year or 2 ago, got adapted into a graphic novel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:31:35 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. unmapped (merchandise): Aliens (toy line) → Alien 3. The animal-aliens toy line sold under the Aliens brand around Alien 3, and the idea of multiple infected animals was once a story premise.
    “But there was a point where the premise was that you were going to have multiple face huggers infecting different animals”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:36:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  13. unmapped (bald-head moment): Alien 3 → G.I. Jane. Weaver's shaved head was a mic-drop moment five years before G.I. Jane did similar.
    “especially like, what, 5 years before G.I. Jane, which similarly causes like a big thing to be like, holy shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:45:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. unmapped (replaced DP): Jordan Cronenweth → Alien 3. Cronenweth shot a few weeks and left because his Parkinson's progressed.
    “Jordan Cronin with shot this movie for a few weeks and then had to retire mid-filming”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:05:16 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  15. unmapped (creative input): Sigourney Weaver → Alien 3. Weaver's top input was no guns, in reaction to the gun focus of Aliens.
    “She was like, Hollywood's 2 gun obsessed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:07:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. unmapped (creative input): Sigourney Weaver → Alien 3. Weaver insisted on the queen-embryo-inside-her angle.
    “It's a decision that Rip Weaver basically insisted on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:32:35 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. unmapped (creative input): Sigourney Weaver → Alien 3. Weaver would only do the movie if Ripley died.
    “She would only do the movie if she got to die.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:05:45 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (2)

  1. verdict (verdict): David Fincher → Alien 3. There is no bad Fincher movie, Alien 3 included.
    “Alien 3 is good.”
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  2. verdict (review): Roger Ebert → Alien 3. Ebert gave it two thumbs down and said the chases were contrivances because the aliens could always outrun the humans.
    “Ebert says, I lost interest in Alien 3 when I realized that the aliens could at all times outrun and outleap the humans”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:12:33 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): Neill Blomkamp → Alien 3. Blomkamp's unmade Alien film would have ignored Alien 3.
    “his thing was going to be ignoring this, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:24:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Alien 3 → Neill Blomkamp's unmade Aliens sequel. Blomkamp threatened a direct Aliens sequel ignoring everything after it.
    “Neil Blomkamp's, you know, threat for years that he was going to do, an alien sequel that was a direct aliens sequel”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:32:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Alien 3: Next week is Alien 3; the Patreon covers Brosnan Bond and then the two Alien vs. Predator films, one fun and one the worst movie in the world.
    “One of them is really fun and one of them is the worst fucking movie in the world.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Decision to Leave with Tatiana Maslany · 2:14:06 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Alien 3: The alien-sucks-down-a-Pepsi commercial aired a full year before the movie; the suit was built for the film, and Fox was pushing Alien toward a kids' franchise (cartoon, toys, games).
    “That commercial came out a full year before this movie came out.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:19:43 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Alien 3: The rod puppet called the Bambi Burster, the juvenile runner alien, plays more in the assembly cut.
    “There's the rod puppet that they call the Bambi Burster that plays more in the assembly cut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:21:48 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Alien 3: George Costanza's line about the masseuse, 'this woman hates me so much, I'm starting to like her', is how one host feels about the film.
    “this woman hates me so much.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:27:53 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Alien 3: Vincent Ward pitched a planet made of wood and monks; the studio responded by telling him to write it for $40 million.
    “Someone could walk into a studio and be like, whole planet is wood.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:58:03 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Alien 3: They started shooting with an unfinished script after ten years of fighting over it.
    “they basically go into production with an unfinished script, 45 pages of a script”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:14:04 · Matt Singer (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Alien 3: A 93-day schedule cut to 70 days, and 50 effects shots cut to 25, meaning lots of 18-hour days.
    “Uh, supposed to be a 93 day shooting schedule.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:14:34 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Alien 3: In the assembly cut the alien gets into an ox, not the dog; the theatrical cut's dog set-up is the clearer one.
    “If you're talking about the assembly cut, it gets into an ox.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:21:38 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Alien 3: Fox's head at the time on how little the content mattered to the opening.
    “well, first, you could have someone piss against the wall for 2 hours and call it Alien 3 and it would do 30000000 dollars.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:35:42 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Alien 3: A pricey makeup bald cap cost about $20 grand because re-cutting Weaver's hair would have cost about $40 grand; when they needed it again, they found it in a pile.
    “So instead, they paid like 20 grand to make the world's most advanced makeup bald cap.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:58:25 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Alien 3: Fincher wanted Richard E. Grant for the Charles Dance role.
    “Richard E. Grant probably would have been a little more humorous.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:39:06 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Alien 3: The dog alien was originally an ox; Fox thought it goofy and asked for a dog.
    “it's not a cow specifically, but it's like an ox like creature that they have on the, on the prison.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:43:25 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Alien 3: Tagline struggles: The Bitch Is Back was out, This time it's hiding in the most terrifying place of all, then 3 times the suspense, terror, danger.
    “Then they try to go for 3 times the suspense 3 times the terror 3 times the danger”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:45:45 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Alien 3: Sigourney Weaver as producer pushed for no guns in the movie, a reaction to how gun focused Aliens was.
    “Aliens was so gun focused.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:07:24 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Alien 3: Ben looks like he is in heaven during the movie; hosts call him a wheelhouse viewer.
    “Like, like any isolated image from this is so in your wheelhouse.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:21:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Alien 3: Fincher tested dressing a whippet as the alien and photos exist; the hosts pass them around in the chat.
    “Fincher also was interested in dressing up a whippet, you know, the dog, the sort of skinny dog, as an alien”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:38:17 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. fun, about Alien 3: A bleak pun: they buried the lead on this one, said after waiting two hours.
    “I've been waiting 2 hours to say that, Griffin.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:59:25 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  18. fun, about Alien 3: The movie opened at number two behind Lethal Weapon 3 and dropped 65% in week two.
    “Uh, yeah, it fell off 65% in its 2nd weekend.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:09:50 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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