Elliot Goldenthal

Made films the shows talk about.

Wikidata Q264565: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only person by that name on Wikidata.

Counted as composer, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they scored, which the two lists below run through too: Alien 3 (1992); Heat (1995); Batman & Robin (1997); Frida (2002); Public Enemies (2009); Batman (Joel Schumacher films); Joel Schumacher Batman movies.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Sigourney Weaver: 3 lines

  1. unmapped (creative input) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Sigourney Weaver ⇒ Alien 3 (the maker said so). Weaver's top input was no guns, in reaction to the gun focus of Aliens.
    “She was like, Hollywood's 2 gun obsessed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:07:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (creative input) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Sigourney Weaver ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Weaver insisted on the queen-embryo-inside-her angle.
    “It's a decision that Rip Weaver basically insisted on.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 1:32:35 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (creative input) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Sigourney Weaver ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Weaver would only do the movie if Ripley died.
    “She would only do the movie if she got to die.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:05:45 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Thief (1981): 3 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they scored: Thief ⇒ Heat (the maker said so: the Siegel piece, Caan telling Pacino). Caan said scenes cut from Thief went to Heat.
    “All the scenes that weren't used in our picture came over to you guys.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:15:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Heat (1995), which they scored: Thief ⇒ Heat (the host's read). The diner scene's wide shot echoes Heat's, which never shows both guys.
    “Wide shot, some heat DNA, although in heat, they don't have, you never see the 2 guys”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they scored: Thief ⇒ Heat (the host's read). Thief is the notebook sketch for Mann's later work, with Heat sharing DNA.
    “the building blocks for what you wind up seeing in heat and collateral and Miami Vice in so many of his films to come.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:02:54 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Alien (1979): 2 lines

  1. lineage (callback) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Alien ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). The Bishop remains scene echoes the original film's reactivated-android scene.
    “And just kind of a fun throwback to the, uh, original alien thing where you like take the puppet, you kind of get it ready.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:58:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (callback) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Alien ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). The ending coda replays Ripley's tape from the first film.
    “You play back her tape from the end of the 1st movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:07:28 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

Aliens (1986): 2 lines

  1. lineage (sequel) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Aliens ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Alien 3 opens by wiping out the status quo that ended Aliens.
    “Seconds of this movie, it literally just burns the status quo established at the end of the last one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:41 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (sequel) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Aliens ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Alien 3 follows Aliens; watched back to back, Aliens ends on a new family that Alien 3 then kills.
    “you watch aliens and that has this ending of, you know, this new family that has been created.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:30:17 · Matt Singer (0.40 sure it was them)

Vincent Ward: 2 lines

  1. unmapped (unused draft) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Vincent Ward ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Elements of Ward's wooden-planet monks draft survive in the finished film.
    “But that's where that's the 1st iteration that's that's still represented in there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:25:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (concept merged in) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Vincent Ward ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). The film is built from Ward's monk concept pushed together with the prison planet; his only surviving credit is story.
    “they mishing up the monks with the prison planet, they turn the monks into prisoners, but they're kind of religious.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:01:11 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Alien 3 (work print cut): 1 line

  1. industry (changed by studio) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Alien 3 (work print cut) ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Fox pushed the ox-like creature to become a dog.
    “And yeah, the studio was like, it'll be better if it's a dog”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:43:25 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

David Twohy: 1 line

  1. lineage (origin of the prison planet) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: David Twohy ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Twohy brought the prison-planet concept into the development.
    “Twowey is the one who brings in the prison planet concept, okay?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:56:20 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

H.R. Giger: 1 line

  1. craft (design contribution) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: H.R. Giger ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Giger's design work was mostly discarded; the Bambi Burster rod puppet was the main thing of his that ended up in the film.
    “that was apparently the main thing that he had an influence on that actually ended up in the film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Psycho (1960): 1 line

  1. lineage (homage (scene)) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Psycho ⇒ Alien 3 (the host's read). Charles Dance's shower-curtain death is read as Fincher's own 'Hitchcock moment', after a cast member said Fincher called it that; the Psycho identification is the speaker's.
    “Fincher would talk to him about his influence and be like, well, this is my Hitchcock moment.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 1:18:07 · Matt Singer (0.35 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Alien Resurrection (1997): 2 lines

  1. lineage (sequel undoes ending) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Alien 3 ⇒ Alien Resurrection (the host's read). Resurrection brings Ripley back as a clone, which undoes Alien 3's chosen death.
    “My nuclear take is bringing her back to life as a clone is more disrespectful than killing, uh, hicks and newt in this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 2:06:26 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (sequel) · through Alien 3 (1992), which they scored: Alien 3 ⇒ Alien Resurrection (the host's read). Resurrection follows Alien 3, but its Ripley is a different character from the one who died.
    “As much as she was quote unquote resurrected, obviously, that's a different character explicitly.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 0:24:13 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

Ambulance (2022): 1 line

  1. lineage (homage) · through Heat (1995), which they scored: Heat ⇒ Ambulance (the host's read). Chris says the first half of Ambulance is Michael Bay trying to make Heat, before the second half becomes a great chase movie.
    “The 1st half of this movie is basically like Michael Bay being like, I want to make heat.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 1:06:53 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Michael Mann: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they scored: Heat ⇒ Michael Mann (the maker said so: Mann publicly talking about it). Mann has said he wants to adapt his Heat novel as a sequel and prequel to Heat.
    “he's been publicly talking about his desire to find a way to adapt his novel of heat to the sequel and prequel to heat.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:08:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Music (10) everyone in music

What was said about them, by kind

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): John Williams → Elliot Goldenthal. Williams should have won for Catch Me If You Can but lost to Goldenthal's Frida score.
    “he lost to Elliot Goldenfall, the great LA Goldenfall. For Frida”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri · 0:42:21 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): Elliot Goldenthal → Heat. The speaker doubts how much of the Heat score Goldenthal wrote himself.
    “Although who knows how much of it he wrote?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri · 0:42:40 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

people (4)

  1. people (composer-director): Elliot Goldenthal → Joel Schumacher. Goldenthal scored the Schumacher Batman films.
    “I love his Joel Schumacher Batman scores.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 2:00:04 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. people (composer comparison): Elliot Goldenthal → Danny Elfman. In the 90s Goldenthal was becoming an unconventional blockbuster composer, Elfman style.
    “becoming sort of Alfman style, an unconventional blockbuster composer”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 2:00:17 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. people (composer brief): Elliot Goldenthal → David Fincher. Goldenthal says Fincher wanted the audience to feel completely fucked within five minutes with no hope.
    “Fincher told him he wanted him, you to feel, you the audience, to feel you were completely fucked within 5 minutes and that there is no hope completely.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien³ with Matt Singer (Ad-Free) · 2:00:36 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. people (same composer): Elliot Goldenthal → Joel Schumacher Batman movies. Goldenthal scored the Schumacher Batman movies.
    “did the music for the Joel Schumacher Batman movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:20:46 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (shared people): Elliot Goldenthal → Julie Taymor. Goldenthal is married to Taymor and works on her movies.
    “Yeah, he works on Julie Tamor's movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Alien 3 · 0:21:17 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Elliot Goldenthal → Batman & Robin. The speaker prefers Goldenthal's Batman & Robin score to his Oscar-winning Frida work.
    “I prefer the Batman Robin score.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Empire of the Sun with Bilge Ebiri · 0:42:34 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

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