Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as writer, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they wrote, which the two lists below run through too: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Black Panther (2018): 2 lines

  1. theme (ancestral plane parallel) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they wrote: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had.
    “Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (CGI weakness) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they wrote: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight.
    “You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Captain America: Civil War (2016): 1 line

  1. theme (character introduction) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they wrote: Captain America: Civil War ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way.
    “Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2 (2010): 1 line

  1. theme (character introduction) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they wrote: Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
    “Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Ironheart (2025): 1 line

  1. unmapped (backdoor pilot) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they wrote: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ⇒ Ironheart (the host's read). Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film.
    “the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Writing (1) everyone in writing

What was said about them, by kind

No claims join them to a film or another person.

Fun items about them

None.