Iron Man 2 (2010)

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Wikidata Q205028, film, IMDb tt1228705, TMDB 10138: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 9 more episodes agree.

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In the store as #504, Iron Man 2 (2010).

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Hancock: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. industry (industry): Hancock ⇒ Iron Man 2 (the host's read). The Demon in a Bottle alcoholism arc was dodged partly because Hancock had already done a drinking superhero two months after the first Iron Man.
    “Because Hancock comes out. 2 months after the 1st Iron Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:12:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. theme (character introduction): Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
    “Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 ⇒ Captain America: The First Avenger (the host's read). The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man 3: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). Iron Man 2's failure forced something new, giving Shane Black room to make a better third film.
    “But also, that is why the 3rd one is good because the 2nd one was such a mistake that they were like, we don't know.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:20:47 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

Connected to

Iron Man 3: 4 lines contrast ×2 verdict ×1 lineage ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man 3. Iron Man 3 is praised as the one that treats Tony's bravado as cover for PTSD and anxiety, which Iron Man 2 only half-attempts; Shane Black is credited with the Freudian analysis.
    “That's why I think Iron Man 3 is so good about being like, oh, all his like hockey is a cover for the fact that he is like a broken man suffering from PTSD and anxiety.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:25:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Iron Man: 3 lines theme ×1 contrast ×1 programming ×1

  1. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Stark arc: Iron Man 1 changing worldview, Iron Man 2 hubristic, Avengers trying not to care.
    “Then Iron Man 2 is just like, he doesn't give a fuck anymore.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:27:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 3 lines programming ×1 contrast ×1 verdict ×1

  1. programming (programming): Iron Man 2 → The Avengers. Feige pushed more cinematic-universe setup after the first film, but held most back; the Fury scene and shield joke are the result.
    “Let's build shield outlets, like give them, you know, a little more of what they want.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:12:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Thor: 3 lines craft ×1 industry ×1 programming ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor → Iron Man 2. Both force S.H.I.E.L.D. world-building into the plot; Iron Man 2 does it worse, and Captain America saves it for the end.
    “Iron Man 2 has it worse than this, but this and Iron Man 2 have that right where they're sort of like, PS, like, Hawkeye's coming.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:48:53 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 2 lines lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man 2. The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 2 lines contrast ×1 programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Gary Shandling's Hydra senator is an odd pull-back to Iron Man 2 for a franchise otherwise ignoring that film.
    “when they're like trying to ignore as much of Iron Man 2 as possible”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:16:27 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

Robocop 2: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Robocop 2. Both feature an opening gag of malfunctioning machines, and a plot about the military trying to make another one.
    “this is very similar to Robocob 2 where they're like, the plot is kind of just like, how do we make another one of these?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:09:32 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Terrence Howard: 2 lines unmapped ×1 industry ×1

  1. unmapped (salary-dispute): Terrence Howard → Iron Man 2. Howard earned triple Downey on the first film, and the raise-for-Downey dispute explains the recast.
    “He gets paid less than any other actor in the film. Terrence Howard got 3 times as much as him.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:49 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

A Nightmare on Elm Street: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → A Nightmare on Elm Street. In week two, Iron Man 2 sat at number two while the Elm Street remake held opening.
    “The Nightmare on Elm Street.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:06:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man 2 → Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy. Iron Man 2 feels like the improvised second movie cut from Anchorman's leftover footage, but with a new story.
    “That's what Iron Man 2 feels like, except it's a new story.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:20:22 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

Beverly Hills Cop II: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Beverly Hills Cop II. Iron Man 1 was a straight movie subverted from within by a loose lead, like Beverly Hills Cop; the sequel was written as comedy from the start, like Beverly Hills Cop II, so nothing is subversive.
    “The problem with this movie is they tried to write it from as a comedy from the get go.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:01:16 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (character introduction): Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Iron Man 2. Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
    “Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)

Captain America: Civil War: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Iron Man 2 → Captain America: Civil War. Both films go back to Tony's parents and father issues.
    “The movie goes back to that well.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:50:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Cowboys & Aliens: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Iron Man 2 → Cowboys & Aliens. Leslie Bibb joined Favreau's next film because she wanted to keep working with him; the lead of Cowboys & Aliens was first meant for Downey and Downey backed out.
    “Cowboys and Aliens was supposed to be Downey Jr.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:33:54 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Emily Blunt: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Iron Man 2. Fox kept Blunt in Gulliver's Travels instead of letting her be Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and the Avengers.
    “Then John Favreau was like, I want you to play Black Widow and Iron Man 2”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:58:49 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Gary Shandling: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Iron Man 2 → Gary Shandling. Shandling plays the senator in both Iron Man 2 and 3; in 3 he's much heavier.
    “And when he's in the other one, he's real fat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:19:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Genndy Tartakovsky: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Genndy Tartakovsky → Iron Man 2. Favreau brought in Tartakovsky to design the Expo action sequence, which is the one exceptional visual idea in the film.
    “And that whole sequence was designed by Gandhi Tartakovsky.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:43:33 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Hancock: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Hancock. The Demon in a Bottle alcoholism arc was dodged partly because Hancock had already done a drinking superhero two months after the first Iron Man.
    “Because Hancock comes out. 2 months after the 1st Iron Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:12:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Isle of Dogs: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Isle of Dogs. A tangent on the Isle of Dogs art book: great design, poor script, and the humans should have spoken in barks.
    “Stand by my take, which is that all the humans should speak in barks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:11:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Jack White: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Jack White → Iron Man 2. While reading the credits, a host notes that Jack White is credited on Iron Man 2 and jokes that he played the element.
    “Iron Man Jack White is credited?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:00:42 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

Jeremy Renner: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Jeremy Renner → Iron Man 2. Hawkeye is set up here in Thor and Avengers rather than earlier; Renner is brainwashed for most of the film and complained about it.
    “for like the 1st one hour and 50 minutes he's brainwashed and he's just as like, yes, Loki, whatever you say.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:07:15 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Joss Whedon: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Joss Whedon → Iron Man 2. Whedon told Marvel that Black Widow had not really been set up in Iron Man 2 and the character foundations were shaky.
    “I took a look at that Iron Man 2 picture. you had, didn't notice a lot of character work.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:09:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Kevin Feige: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Kevin Feige. Feige broke away from Ike Perlmutter at Marvel to answer only to Disney, after fights over budgets and toy-driven decisions like Iron Man 3's villain.
    “Kevin Feige now only answers to Disney.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:52:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Men in Black: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Men in Black. Setting the climax at a World's Fair site worked in Men in Black because it was thematic with the flying saucers; here it is arbitrary and the drones are generic.
    “A movie already did this and got away with it too. The film called Men in Black.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:37:01 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Miami Vice: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Miami Vice. Unlike Miami Vice, which reeked of a miserable shoot, Iron Man 2 was probably fun to make.
    “it's not some movie where, like, Miami Vice, where it reeks of like, oh, everyone was having a miserable time.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:22:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation → Iron Man 2. The thigh-grab move is traced back to Iron Man 2 by one speaker.
    “I mean, I always think of Iron Man 2.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation · 1:01:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Portal 2: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Portal 2. A Slattery-as-Walt-Disney-style sponsor figure is likened to J.K. Simmons's voice character in Portal 2.
    “J.K. Simmons voice is a character who is also kind of like this in Portal 2,”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:18:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Robert Downey Jr.: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Iron Man 2 → Robert Downey Jr.. Tony's blood toxicity is read as a stand-in for the alcoholism storyline, suggested by Downey's own life.
    “It's their way around like the alcoholism thing where it's basically like he's an alcoholic who's on the road to ruin.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:15:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Scarlett Johansson: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Scarlett Johansson → Iron Man 2. The Avengers uses Johansson (and Black Widow's Russian-scene vulnerability-as-weapon) better than anything since 2003, and better than Iron Man 2's secretary-spy version.
    “This is the better version of that where he's like, she has been trained in a weird Russian program to be able to manipulate anybody.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:08:17 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Stan Lee → Iron Man 2. The Stan Lee cameo running joke is mistaken identity: Hugh Hefner here, Larry King in Iron Man 2, then they dropped it.
    “In Iron Man 2, they think he's Larry King.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:16:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Dark Knight: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight came out the same year as the first Iron Man and changed everything.
    “And then obviously Dark Knight, which comes out the same year as Iron Man, and they change everything forever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:02:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Incredible Hulk: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): The Incredible Hulk → Iron Man 2. A speaker ranks this the worst of the early MCU, below Iron Man 2, which is at least esoteric and fails valiantly.
    “Iron 2 is like failing valiantly.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:00:49 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

Toy Story 3: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Toy Story 3. Iron Man 2 was expected to be the summer's biggest film but Toy Story 3 beat it as the year's highest grosser.
    “T. S. Trois.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:00:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): Scarlett Johansson → Iron Man 2. The Avengers uses Johansson (and Black Widow's Russian-scene vulnerability-as-weapon) better than anything since 2003, and better than Iron Man 2's secretary-spy version.
    “This is the better version of that where he's like, she has been trained in a weird Russian program to be able to manipulate anybody.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:08:17 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Iron Man 2 → Robert Downey Jr.. Tony's blood toxicity is read as a stand-in for the alcoholism storyline, suggested by Downey's own life.
    “It's their way around like the alcoholism thing where it's basically like he's an alcoholic who's on the road to ruin.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:15:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Iron Man 2 → Cowboys & Aliens. Leslie Bibb joined Favreau's next film because she wanted to keep working with him; the lead of Cowboys & Aliens was first meant for Downey and Downey backed out.
    “Cowboys and Aliens was supposed to be Downey Jr.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:33:54 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

contrast (9)

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Black Widow's hair is her worst here, though Iron Man 2 hair is worse; her performance is more alive here.
    “Iron Man 2 hair is bottom of the barrel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:15:36 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 3 → Iron Man 2. Black got the job because people hated Iron Man 2, so the studio needed a shakeup.
    “Because people hated Iron Man 2.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:09:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man. The first film is Tony alone in the lab being weird; this one has a drunken party and fight, the opposite of what people liked.
    “The 1st one is him alone in the lab being weird. and they get to that eventually in this movie, like eventually.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:58:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Beverly Hills Cop II. Iron Man 1 was a straight movie subverted from within by a loose lead, like Beverly Hills Cop; the sequel was written as comedy from the start, like Beverly Hills Cop II, so nothing is subversive.
    “The problem with this movie is they tried to write it from as a comedy from the get go.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:01:16 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Isle of Dogs. A tangent on the Isle of Dogs art book: great design, poor script, and the humans should have spoken in barks.
    “Stand by my take, which is that all the humans should speak in barks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:11:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → The Avengers. Whedon asked to go back to the circular arc reactor rather than the triangle set up in Iron Man 2.
    “Number one, we're going back to the circle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:13:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Miami Vice. Unlike Miami Vice, which reeked of a miserable shoot, Iron Man 2 was probably fun to make.
    “it's not some movie where, like, Miami Vice, where it reeks of like, oh, everyone was having a miserable time.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:22:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Men in Black. Setting the climax at a World's Fair site worked in Men in Black because it was thematic with the flying saucers; here it is arbitrary and the drones are generic.
    “A movie already did this and got away with it too. The film called Men in Black.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:37:01 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man 3. Iron Man 3's robot suits and extremis stuff are more varied than Iron Man 2's copy-paste drones.
    “Iron Man 3 does this too, but at least an Iron Man 3. They're a little different looking, and also the extremist stuff is its own thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:37:27 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (6)

  1. craft (craft): Joss Whedon → Iron Man 2. Whedon told Marvel that Black Widow had not really been set up in Iron Man 2 and the character foundations were shaky.
    “I took a look at that Iron Man 2 picture. you had, didn't notice a lot of character work.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:09:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Thor → Iron Man 2. Both force S.H.I.E.L.D. world-building into the plot; Iron Man 2 does it worse, and Captain America saves it for the end.
    “Iron Man 2 has it worse than this, but this and Iron Man 2 have that right where they're sort of like, PS, like, Hawkeye's coming.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:48:53 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Iron Man 2 → Captain America: The First Avenger. The shield-on-the-desk and Thor hammer tags are called ham-fisted universe building.
    “I just feel very ham fisted.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:25:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Jack White → Iron Man 2. While reading the credits, a host notes that Jack White is credited on Iron Man 2 and jokes that he played the element.
    “Iron Man Jack White is credited?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:00:42 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Iron Man 2 → Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy. Iron Man 2 feels like the improvised second movie cut from Anchorman's leftover footage, but with a new story.
    “That's what Iron Man 2 feels like, except it's a new story.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:20:22 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Stan Lee → Iron Man 2. The Stan Lee cameo running joke is mistaken identity: Hugh Hefner here, Larry King in Iron Man 2, then they dropped it.
    “In Iron Man 2, they think he's Larry King.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:16:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (8)

  1. industry (industry): Jeremy Renner → Iron Man 2. Hawkeye is set up here in Thor and Avengers rather than earlier; Renner is brainwashed for most of the film and complained about it.
    “for like the 1st one hour and 50 minutes he's brainwashed and he's just as like, yes, Loki, whatever you say.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:07:15 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Hancock. The Demon in a Bottle alcoholism arc was dodged partly because Hancock had already done a drinking superhero two months after the first Iron Man.
    “Because Hancock comes out. 2 months after the 1st Iron Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:12:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Kevin Feige. Feige broke away from Ike Perlmutter at Marvel to answer only to Disney, after fights over budgets and toy-driven decisions like Iron Man 3's villain.
    “Kevin Feige now only answers to Disney.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:52:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Thor. Nick Fury is shoehorned in here, but Hawkeye in Thor is called the worst of this kind of universe-building cameo.
    “I would still argue that Hawkeye and the Crow's Nest in Thor is the worst example of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:12:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Toy Story 3. Iron Man 2 was expected to be the summer's biggest film but Toy Story 3 beat it as the year's highest grosser.
    “T. S. Trois.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:00:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight came out the same year as the first Iron Man and changed everything.
    “And then obviously Dark Knight, which comes out the same year as Iron Man, and they change everything forever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:02:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → A Nightmare on Elm Street. In week two, Iron Man 2 sat at number two while the Elm Street remake held opening.
    “The Nightmare on Elm Street.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:06:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. industry (industry): Terrence Howard → Iron Man 2. Howard left for Iron Man 2 after asking more than Downey; Marvel was notoriously cheap.
    “But that's why he's not an Iron Man 2 because he demanded the same...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:47:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

lineage (6)

  1. lineage (lineage): Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation → Iron Man 2. The thigh-grab move is traced back to Iron Man 2 by one speaker.
    “I mean, I always think of Iron Man 2.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation · 1:01:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Robocop 2. Iron Man 2 forces Tony to be a wreck again for no earned reason, which they liken to Robocop 2 resetting its hero.
    “doing the Robocop 2 thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:21:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man 2. The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Robocop 2. Both feature an opening gag of malfunctioning machines, and a plot about the military trying to make another one.
    “this is very similar to Robocob 2 where they're like, the plot is kind of just like, how do we make another one of these?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:09:32 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Portal 2. A Slattery-as-Walt-Disney-style sponsor figure is likened to J.K. Simmons's voice character in Portal 2.
    “J.K. Simmons voice is a character who is also kind of like this in Portal 2,”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:18:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man 3. Iron Man 2's failure forced something new, giving Shane Black room to make a better third film.
    “But also, that is why the 3rd one is good because the 2nd one was such a mistake that they were like, we don't know.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:20:47 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (people): Iron Man 2 → Gary Shandling. Shandling plays the senator in both Iron Man 2 and 3; in 3 he's much heavier.
    “And when he's in the other one, he's real fat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:19:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): Genndy Tartakovsky → Iron Man 2. Favreau brought in Tartakovsky to design the Expo action sequence, which is the one exceptional visual idea in the film.
    “And that whole sequence was designed by Gandhi Tartakovsky.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:43:33 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

programming (4)

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Gary Shandling's Hydra senator is an odd pull-back to Iron Man 2 for a franchise otherwise ignoring that film.
    “when they're like trying to ignore as much of Iron Man 2 as possible”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:16:27 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Iron Man 2 → The Avengers. Feige pushed more cinematic-universe setup after the first film, but held most back; the Fury scene and shield joke are the result.
    “Let's build shield outlets, like give them, you know, a little more of what they want.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:12:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Iron Man 2 → Thor. Its post-credit scene is called the weakest, existing only to announce Thor's film, much like the Captain Marvel tag after Infinity War.
    “Because essentially it's just like Thor, Thor, will be the star of a new movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:07:38 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Griffin has a point about Paltrow in Iron Man 2 and promises a separate Iron Man 2 commentary.
    “We're going to do an Iron Man 2 commentary so we can talk about the movie I want to talk about there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:18:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (3)

  1. theme (character introduction): Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Iron Man 2. Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
    “Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Stark arc: Iron Man 1 changing worldview, Iron Man 2 hubristic, Avengers trying not to care.
    “Then Iron Man 2 is just like, he doesn't give a fuck anymore.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:27:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Iron Man 2 → Captain America: Civil War. Both films go back to Tony's parents and father issues.
    “The movie goes back to that well.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:50:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (salary-dispute): Terrence Howard → Iron Man 2. Howard earned triple Downey on the first film, and the raise-for-Downey dispute explains the recast.
    “He gets paid less than any other actor in the film. Terrence Howard got 3 times as much as him.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:49 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man 3. Iron Man 3 is praised as the one that treats Tony's bravado as cover for PTSD and anxiety, which Iron Man 2 only half-attempts; Shane Black is credited with the Freudian analysis.
    “That's why I think Iron Man 3 is so good about being like, oh, all his like hockey is a cover for the fact that he is like a broken man suffering from PTSD and anxiety.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:25:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Iron Man 2 → The Avengers. Hosts say Shane Black's remedy and Feige's diagnosis were to return to Tony in the cave, humbled and problem-solving.
    “the thing I know we need to do is get back to Tony in the cave.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:28:51 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): The Incredible Hulk → Iron Man 2. A speaker ranks this the worst of the early MCU, below Iron Man 2, which is at least esoteric and fails valiantly.
    “Iron 2 is like failing valiantly.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:00:49 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Iron Man 2. Fox kept Blunt in Gulliver's Travels instead of letting her be Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and the Avengers.
    “Then John Favreau was like, I want you to play Black Widow and Iron Man 2”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:58:49 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Iron Man 2: Opening press conference, around 0:08 to 0:10: Tony jumps from a cargo plane and the film calls its own shot; the hosts call it too into itself.
    “Yeah, I mean, like, this movie seems like a little too into itself.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:10:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Iron Man 2: See the Gary Shandling Senate hearing scene around 0:14: Tony blows kisses and sunglasses at the Senate, and the hosts find the bravado too much.
    “I can't quite parse the subtlety of this scene where he's putting on sunglasses blowing kisses to the Senate and being like, kiss my ass.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:20:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Iron Man 2: See the Monte Carlo track: Whiplash's coveralls burn away to leave him in what looks like genie pants.
    “It flames off of his body, and now it looks like he's wearing genie pants.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:36:45 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Iron Man 2: The suitcase armor around 0:38 was the trailer's money shot, then Whiplash immediately beats the suit with whips.
    “And then the suitcase is immediately followed by whiplash, a man with no shirt immediately beating the stupid suit by using his whips.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:39:12 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Iron Man 2: Drunk party fight in the Tony suit around 0:58: the hosts say nobody wants to see drunk friends fight.
    “I don't want to see drunken friends punch each other.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:00:03 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Iron Man 2: The tentative best joke: the perpetual motion machine on Pepper's desk, which she won't let him move, at about 1:20.
    “This is actually the best joke in the movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:20:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Iron Man 2: Tony synthesizes the new element in his father's Expo model scene around 1:24, which the hosts say they cannot parse; a teen audience groaned at it opening weekend.
    “There were some sort of snarky teens behind me.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:24:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Iron Man 2: See Hammer's half-Captain America shield used as a coil part around 1:27, which the hosts call contempt for universe building.
    “The joke is like, ha ha, who cares about your stupid universe building shit?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:28:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Iron Man 2: The drone attack garden sequence about 1:49 to 1:51, designed by Tartakovsky: twinning spinning laser, staggered ejections; the hosts' favorite part and shot like Samurai Jack.
    “That's great. The twinning, the spinning laser thing is so great.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:50:54 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Iron Man 2: See the Whiplash ex-wife robot fight around 1:52 to 1:54: a Chekhov's bird joke is pitched; they wish the bird were used in the climax.
    “Chehov's bird.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:53:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Iron Man 2: Box office game: the film opened to about $128 million and finished near $312 million domestic, behind Toy Story 3; the hosts guess Date Night and The Backup Plan from clues.
    “Is it the backup plan?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:06:28 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Iron Man 2: Hosts joke that the Academy gave Rick Baker an Oscar for Rourke's look and Baker said he didn't make that.
    “And he was like, I didn't make that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:09:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.