Bob Fosse

Made films the shows talk about.

Wikidata Q313256: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only person by that name on Wikidata.

Counted as director, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they directed, which the two lists below run through too: Sweet Charity (1969); Cabaret (1972); Lenny (1974); All That Jazz (1979); Star 80 (1983); Pippin. Count them as writer (1 film), craft (1 film) instead.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

I Am a Camera (1955): 1 line

  1. lineage (inspiration) · through Cabaret (1972), which they directed: I Am a Camera ⇒ Cabaret (the host's read). I Am a Camera, from the Berlin stories, led to Cabaret.
    “I am a camera, which is, of course, uh, the Julie Harris movie that will eventually... Come, Camera, inspires the guys into cabaret, yes.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Fear & Desire / Killer's Kiss (Ad-Free) · 1:37:35 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Lenny (1974): 1 line, within their own work

  1. craft (structure) · through Star 80 (1983), which they directed: Lenny ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Star 80's interview framing/superstructure echoes Lenny's, and Lenny is the origin of the Chevy-Chase-style voice.
    “This movie, you have the interview, this sort of superstructure that he loves so much”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:32:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Sweet Charity (1969): 1 line, within their own work

  1. unmapped (technique) · through Star 80 (1983), which they directed: Sweet Charity ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Fosse's choreographic insert/isolation technique reappears in Star 80, applied to ugly material.
    “There's even the, I mean, the whole fossy isolation of the body parts thing, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:33:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

David Fincher: 3 lines

  1. lineage (influence) · them, directly: Bob Fosse ⇒ David Fincher (the maker said so). Fincher loves Fosse.
    “Well, he loves Fosse.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:53:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (influence) · through All That Jazz (1979), which they directed: All That Jazz ⇒ David Fincher (the maker said so). The speaker says Fincher loves Fosse and always cites All That Jazz.
    “All that jazz is like a recurring influence.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:53:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. people (screened for crew) · through All That Jazz (1979), which they directed: All That Jazz ⇒ David Fincher (the host's read). A host read somewhere that All That Jazz was the movie Fincher screened for his crew as the style to match.
    “I was just reading somewhere about like all that jazz being the movie that he screened for his crew a bunch.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:14:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Star 80 (1983): 2 lines, within their own work

  1. craft (structure) · through Lenny (1974), which they directed: Lenny ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Star 80's interview framing/superstructure echoes Lenny's, and Lenny is the origin of the Chevy-Chase-style voice.
    “This movie, you have the interview, this sort of superstructure that he loves so much”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:32:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (technique) · through Sweet Charity (1969), which they directed: Sweet Charity ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Fosse's choreographic insert/isolation technique reappears in Star 80, applied to ugly material.
    “There's even the, I mean, the whole fossy isolation of the body parts thing, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:33:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Adam Shankman: 1 line

  1. unmapped (heir) · them, directly: Bob Fosse ⇒ Adam Shankman (the host's read). Hairspray's visual language takes cues from choreography and editing as Fosse's did.
    “And so much of the visual language takes cues from the choreography and the editing.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:59:04 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

Barry Lyndon (1975): 1 line

  1. people (casting source) · through Cabaret (1972), which they directed: Cabaret ⇒ Barry Lyndon (the host's read). Kubrick cast Berenson after loving her in Cabaret.
    “Yeah, he loved her in cabaret.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Barry Lyndon with Karina Longworth (Ad-Free) · 1:14:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Cold Hearted (Paula Abdul video): 1 line

  1. lineage (visual homage) · through All That Jazz (1979), which they directed: All That Jazz ⇒ Cold Hearted (Paula Abdul video) (the host's read). A host reads that Cold Hearted was inspired by All That Jazz, and another says it directly references it.
    “this film was uh, inspired by all that jazz, her belly button's exposed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:14:36 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Seven (1995): 1 line

  1. lineage (cited influence) · through All That Jazz (1979), which they directed: All That Jazz ⇒ Seven (the maker said so). A host recalls a Fincher film the show covered where he cited All That Jazz as an inspiration for the look, maybe Seven.
    “where he cited how much of an inspiration all that jazz was for him for the look of the movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:13:07 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Directing (9) everyone in directing

Writing (1) everyone in writing

Craft (1) everyone in craft

Other (1) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career parallel): Bob Fosse → Francis Ford Coppola. Both followed a run of 70s masterpieces (Cabaret/Godfather, Lenny/Godfather II, All That Jazz/Apocalypse Now) with a decline.
    “Cabaret, Godfather, Godfather to Lenny, all that jazz apocalypse now.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:56:39 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (bloated musical): Oklahoma! → Bob Fosse. Oklahoma! stands for the bloated Hollywood musical the Fosse generation rebelled against.
    “the stuff that Fosse was rebelling”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killing with Patton Oswalt (Ad-Free) · 1:34:09 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (influence): Bob Fosse → David Fincher. Fincher loves Fosse.
    “Well, he loves Fosse.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:53:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (collaborator parallel): Bob Fosse → Polly Platt. Young 70s film geniuses (Bogdanovich/Platt, Lucas/Marcia) lost their creative edge after divorce as with Fosse and Verdon.
    “Get divorced and never fucking get back in the groove again, ever again.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:25:46 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (8)

  1. unmapped (self-identification): Bob Fosse → Paul Snyder. Fosse identified with Snyder as the man he would be without success.
    “he is who I would be if I were not successful.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:18:20 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (mentor): Bob Fosse → Paddy Chayefsky. Chayefsky was Fosse's mentor/drinking buddy who told him the script needed no notes, and the film is dedicated to him.
    “Patty Shayvsky says, it's fine.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:24:54 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (creative partnership): Bob Fosse → Gwen Verdon. Verdon was trusted with choreography and direction, the family jewels of an auteur's ego.
    “those are the family jewels when it comes to an auteur's ego and that he was able to let her in”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:24:48 · Julie Klausner (0.70 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (declined): Bob Fosse → Thriller. Michael Jackson asked Fosse to shoot the Thriller video; he declined because Jackson was weird.
    “Michael Jackson asks him to shoot the music video for thriller, which is crazy.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:27:19 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (white whale): Bob Fosse → Robert De Niro. Fosse wanted De Niro for Snyder and was attached to a Winchell film with him.
    “a Walter Winchell movie that's going to star Robert De Niro, his big white whale at this point”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:30:19 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (what-might-have-been): Michael Bennett → Bob Fosse. Julie wonders what a film career for Bennett, another director-choreographer lost to AIDS, would have looked like.
    “I think very frequently about what kind of filmmaker a Michael Bennett would have been or could have been.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:57:44 · Julie Klausner (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. unmapped (posthumous reach): Howard Ashman → Bob Fosse. Ashman had films with his fingerprints released after his death, showing a creator's ripple effect despite lost time.
    “there are like 3 films with his fingerprints on them on top of Little Shop, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:58:31 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. unmapped (heir): Adam Shankman → Bob Fosse. Hairspray's visual language takes cues from choreography and editing as Fosse's did.
    “And so much of the visual language takes cues from the choreography and the editing.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:59:04 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (favorite filmmaker): Bob Fosse → David Fincher. A host believes All That Jazz is one of Fincher's favorite films and Fosse a favorite filmmaker.
    “I believe one of David Fincher's favorite movies or Fosse's one of his favorite filmmakers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:12:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Bob Fosse: Fosse expected All That Jazz to be his last act; his planned follow-up was nothing, and he turned down Chicago because he could not get it up for old material.
    “I can't get it up again for old material.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:17:15 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Bob Fosse: Late projects: Chicago, Dreamgirls, a Vampire Lestat musical with Bowie and Jagger, interest in Good Morning Vietnam, and a Winchell film with De Niro.
    “starring David Bowie and Mick Jagger.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:30:57 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Bob Fosse: After near-death experiences Fosse would try to live healthier for a month and then go back to chain smoking and squeezing nurses.
    “smoking cigarettes until they're burning in his mouth and squeezing every nurse's ass”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:14:08 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Bob Fosse: Michael Jackson asked Fosse to direct Thriller; he declined because he found Jackson weird.
    “Bob Fosse declines because he thinks Michael Jackson is weird.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:27:37 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Bob Fosse: Fosse died in Verdon's arms at an intersection in Washington DC during a Sweet Charity revival; friends dined on his tab per his will; a producer's last message from Bobby was about a script.
    “All his friends go out to dinner on his tab, which was specified in his will.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:31:56 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)