Star 80 (1983)

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Wikidata Q1936323, film, IMDb tt0086355, TMDB 30707: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 1 more episode agrees.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #621, Star 80 (1983).

Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Lenny: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (structure): Lenny ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Star 80's interview framing/superstructure echoes Lenny's, and Lenny is the origin of the Chevy-Chase-style voice.
    “This movie, you have the interview, this sort of superstructure that he loves so much”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:32:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Sweet Charity: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (technique): Sweet Charity ⇒ Star 80 (the host's read). Fosse's choreographic insert/isolation technique reappears in Star 80, applied to ugly material.
    “There's even the, I mean, the whole fossy isolation of the body parts thing, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:33:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

A Clockwork Orange: 2 lines theme ×1 unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (series handoff): Star 80 → A Clockwork Orange. Julie asks them to remember Star 80 when covering Kubrick's rape depiction.
    “Think about, you know, how, you know, people say rape isn't about sex, unless you shoot it real sexy.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 2:00:09 · Julie Klausner (0.60 sure it was them)

All That Jazz: 2 lines career ×1 unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (sibling pair): Star 80 → All That Jazz. All That Jazz is who Fosse wanted to be, Star 80 is where he really is.
    “that all that jazz was sort of like who we wanted to be and maybe Star 80 was saying, well, this is where I really am.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:20:59 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

Body Double: 2 lines unmapped ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (tonal contrast): Star 80 → Body Double. Body Double is pulp that deals with similar Hollywood grime and is fun, whereas Fosse could not treat it as pulp.
    “But like, I mean, fossi, for better or worse, I don't think could view things as pulp.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:44:52 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Sweet Charity: 2 lines unmapped ×1 verdict ×1

  1. verdict (ranking): Sweet Charity → Star 80. A lumpy joyful film is ranked above the powerful but hateful one.
    “sweet charity is a lumpy movie that brings me joy versus star 80, a film that just makes me think very deeply about everything I hate about the world.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:52:10 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

American Psycho: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (counterexample): Star 80 → American Psycho. American Psycho, made by a team with female voices, succeeds as critique where Star 80 lacks her point of view.
    “American psycho has 2 female voices behind it and is therefore such an insightful and even funny critique”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:07:33 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

Anatomy of a Murder: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme echo): Star 80 → Anatomy of a Murder. Concern for the ruined man instead of the woman echoes Anatomy of a Murder's rape-trial rhetoric.
    “That reminds me of an anatomy of murder when they're prosecuting the, they're like, let's think about ruining a man's life before we convict this person of rape”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:07:34 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

Billy Joel: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Star 80 → Billy Joel. The pop-song needle drops (Billy Joel at the prom and the rest) are judged the worst soundtrack from a great filmmaker.
    “The worst. Just the way you are.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:53:54 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)

Boogie Nights: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (scene echo): Star 80 → Boogie Nights. Star 80 produces the same turn-it-off discomfort as the firecracker scene in Boogie Nights.
    “Combined with the firework, the firecracker scene in boogie nights.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:02:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Cabaret: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (character empathy): Star 80 → Cabaret. Fosse's female characters like Sally Bowles and Honey Bruce got rich interior life, which Star 80 lacks.
    “I would even argue, honey, Bruce, like, you know, who really is, like, pretty wonderful.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:23:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Joker: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (performance cost): Star 80 → Joker. A great performance in a harrowing role is called career-ruinous in the way people overstate Joker typecasting.
    “I think it's an incredible performance, but I think it's the kind of performance that's like ruinous for a career.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:01:44 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)

Kate Plays Christine: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Star 80 → Kate Plays Christine. Kate Plays Christine is cited as a film about the compulsion to tell tragic victims' stories and play them.
    “it is a movie about an actor trying to play a tragic, you know, a person who killed herself on news.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:16:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Lenny: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (structure): Star 80 → Lenny. Star 80's interview framing/superstructure echoes Lenny's, and Lenny is the origin of the Chevy-Chase-style voice.
    “This movie, you have the interview, this sort of superstructure that he loves so much”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:32:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Manhattan: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (same phenomenon): Star 80 → Manhattan. Both star Hemingway and are about older men fixated on young women, one romanticized and one murderous.
    “2 movies that are essentially about the same basic phenomenon, but in very, very different ways”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:56:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Peeping Tom: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (reception parallel): Star 80 → Peeping Tom. Peeping Tom was also savaged on release but was later vindicated, unlike Star 80.
    “Except Peeping Tom is like eventually kind of vindicated and this people were like, no, fuck you.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:28:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Ralph Burns: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Ralph Burns → Star 80. Burns scored Star 80 with two stings, one a creeping-dread cue that the speaker finds upsetting even isolated.
    “There's that... Well, then there's the creeping, like, dread, you know... Whenever that that truly makes my skin crawl whenever that plays.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:53:21 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)

Sven Nykvist: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Star 80 → Sven Nykvist. Fosse brought in the European master Nykvist to shoot Star 80 rather than his usual cinematographer.
    “Like, so it's Fosse working with a great cinematographer, but not someone he knows.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:52:19 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)

Taxi Driver: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (scene echo): Star 80 → Taxi Driver. Every scene of Star 80 is likened to the porno scene in Taxi Driver turned up to 75.
    “Like every scene of this movie is like the porno scene in Taxi Driver, but amped up to 75.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:02:35 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Big Chill: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (box office): Star 80 → The Big Chill. The Big Chill was number one the week Star 80 opened in limited release.
    “Number one of the box office is a generational classic.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:40:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (violence compared): The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo → Star 80. Fincher mentions Star 80 in the same breath.
    “I holy respect straw dogs or even star 80.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:53:35 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Ward: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career bookend): Star 80 → The Ward. Both are final films that dim a director's career, though The Ward is less toxic.
    “a film that is a bummer on a career, which on what?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:20:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career sequence): Star 80 → All That Jazz. Star 80 came about because Fosse had no planned follow-up after surviving the film in which he dies.
    “I think he was almost embarrassed to still be alive after all that jazz.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:16:27 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career bookend): Star 80 → The Ward. Both are final films that dim a director's career, though The Ward is less toxic.
    “a film that is a bummer on a career, which on what?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:20:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (tonal contrast): Star 80 → Body Double. Body Double is pulp that deals with similar Hollywood grime and is fun, whereas Fosse could not treat it as pulp.
    “But like, I mean, fossi, for better or worse, I don't think could view things as pulp.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:44:52 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

craft (3)

  1. craft (structure): Star 80 → Lenny. Star 80's interview framing/superstructure echoes Lenny's, and Lenny is the origin of the Chevy-Chase-style voice.
    “This movie, you have the interview, this sort of superstructure that he loves so much”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:32:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Star 80 → Sven Nykvist. Fosse brought in the European master Nykvist to shoot Star 80 rather than his usual cinematographer.
    “Like, so it's Fosse working with a great cinematographer, but not someone he knows.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:52:19 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Ralph Burns → Star 80. Burns scored Star 80 with two stings, one a creeping-dread cue that the speaker finds upsetting even isolated.
    “There's that... Well, then there's the creeping, like, dread, you know... Whenever that that truly makes my skin crawl whenever that plays.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:53:21 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (box office): Star 80 → The Big Chill. The Big Chill was number one the week Star 80 opened in limited release.
    “Number one of the box office is a generational classic.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:40:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (performance cost): Star 80 → Joker. A great performance in a harrowing role is called career-ruinous in the way people overstate Joker typecasting.
    “I think it's an incredible performance, but I think it's the kind of performance that's like ruinous for a career.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:01:44 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (7)

  1. theme (scene echo): Star 80 → Taxi Driver. Every scene of Star 80 is likened to the porno scene in Taxi Driver turned up to 75.
    “Like every scene of this movie is like the porno scene in Taxi Driver, but amped up to 75.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:02:35 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (scene echo): Star 80 → Boogie Nights. Star 80 produces the same turn-it-off discomfort as the firecracker scene in Boogie Nights.
    “Combined with the firework, the firecracker scene in boogie nights.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:02:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme echo): Star 80 → Anatomy of a Murder. Concern for the ruined man instead of the woman echoes Anatomy of a Murder's rape-trial rhetoric.
    “That reminds me of an anatomy of murder when they're prosecuting the, they're like, let's think about ruining a man's life before we convict this person of rape”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:07:34 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. theme (critic parallel): Star 80 → A Clockwork Orange. Kael's charge that Clockwork Orange was prurient and pitied only Alex is applied to Star 80 and Snyder.
    “I think the only sympathy that you see from the filmmaker is with Paul Snyder.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:33:34 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Star 80 → Kate Plays Christine. Kate Plays Christine is cited as a film about the compulsion to tell tragic victims' stories and play them.
    “it is a movie about an actor trying to play a tragic, you know, a person who killed herself on news.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:16:03 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. theme (character empathy): Star 80 → Cabaret. Fosse's female characters like Sally Bowles and Honey Bruce got rich interior life, which Star 80 lacks.
    “I would even argue, honey, Bruce, like, you know, who really is, like, pretty wonderful.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:23:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. theme (reception parallel): Star 80 → Peeping Tom. Peeping Tom was also savaged on release but was later vindicated, unlike Star 80.
    “Except Peeping Tom is like eventually kind of vindicated and this people were like, no, fuck you.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:28:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

unmapped (7)

  1. unmapped (technique): Star 80 → Sweet Charity. Fosse's choreographic insert/isolation technique reappears in Star 80, applied to ugly material.
    “There's even the, I mean, the whole fossy isolation of the body parts thing, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:33:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (timeline): Star 80 → Body Double. Melanie Griffith was Fosse's first choice; Body Double (her comeback) came right after.
    “Bob Fossey wants Melanie Griffith.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:44:14 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (same phenomenon): Star 80 → Manhattan. Both star Hemingway and are about older men fixated on young women, one romanticized and one murderous.
    “2 movies that are essentially about the same basic phenomenon, but in very, very different ways”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:56:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (counterexample): Star 80 → American Psycho. American Psycho, made by a team with female voices, succeeds as critique where Star 80 lacks her point of view.
    “American psycho has 2 female voices behind it and is therefore such an insightful and even funny critique”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:07:33 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (sibling pair): Star 80 → All That Jazz. All That Jazz is who Fosse wanted to be, Star 80 is where he really is.
    “that all that jazz was sort of like who we wanted to be and maybe Star 80 was saying, well, this is where I really am.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:20:59 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (series handoff): Star 80 → A Clockwork Orange. Julie asks them to remember Star 80 when covering Kubrick's rape depiction.
    “Think about, you know, how, you know, people say rape isn't about sex, unless you shoot it real sexy.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 2:00:09 · Julie Klausner (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. unmapped (violence compared): The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo → Star 80. Fincher mentions Star 80 in the same breath.
    “I holy respect straw dogs or even star 80.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:53:35 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

verdict (2)

  1. verdict (verdict): Star 80 → Billy Joel. The pop-song needle drops (Billy Joel at the prom and the rest) are judged the worst soundtrack from a great filmmaker.
    “The worst. Just the way you are.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:53:54 · host (Griffin Newman or David Sims, unattributed) (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (ranking): Sweet Charity → Star 80. A lumpy joyful film is ranked above the powerful but hateful one.
    “sweet charity is a lumpy movie that brings me joy versus star 80, a film that just makes me think very deeply about everything I hate about the world.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:52:10 · Julie Klausner (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Star 80: The soundtrack is a Jock Jams pile: Billy Joel's Just the Way You Are, YMCA, Do You Think I'm Sexy, Sing Sing Sing, Steppenwolf, played at the prom.
    “One of the worst soundtracks from the best filmmakers.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:05:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Star 80: Fosse had his location scout break into the real murder house without a permit to recreate the carpet and details.
    “he made the location scout break into the murder home without a permit and, uh, you know, take pictures”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:30:54 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Star 80: Fosse phoned Cliff Robertson mid-shoot, saying he did not want to get to the murder and did not want to see these people die.
    “he's going to kill her and I don't know how to stop him.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:50:39 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Star 80: Roger Ebert liked it and called Roberts's performance the year's best; Hefner hated the intercutting of the photo sessions with the murder.
    “Hugh Hefner thought it was disgusting the way it linked sex to violence.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:54:32 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Star 80: Prom scene: Snyder stabs a football player in the butt with the filing end of a nail clipper in revenge for how he treated Stratton.
    “The filing end of a nail clipper.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:02:28 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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