Jane Fonda
Made films the shows talk about.
Counted as other. The films the hosts said they were tied to, which the two lists below run through too: The Shining (1980); Misery (1990); The Trial of the Chicago 7 (2020). Count them as actor (3 films) instead.
Draws on
What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
Stephen King: 4 lines
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unmapped (blueprint) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
Stephen King ⇒ The Shining (the maker said so: Kubrick quotes in the research dossier).
The speakers read Kubrick saying the novel's plot is a good blueprint for the movie he wanted to make.
“I can make whatever movie I want with that as a blueprint.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 1:04:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them) -
theme (theme) · through Misery (1990), which they were tied to as suggested for the agent:
Stephen King ⇒ Misery (the host's read).
King writing about his nightmare of a fan who takes things too far.
“Stephen King writing about, like, basically his work's nightmare”
The Big Picture · The 1990 Movie Draft · 0:58:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them) -
theme (theme) · through Misery (1990), which they were tied to as suggested for the agent:
Stephen King ⇒ Misery (the host's read).
Misery is King's book about addiction; Annie Wilkes stands for the painkillers.
“Annie Wilkes is really, she represents that, this thing that's trying to kill him.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:11:22 · Bill Simmons (0.75 sure it was them) -
lineage (adaptation) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
Stephen King ⇒ The Shining (the host's read).
The film is the second Stephen King novel adaptation, after Carrie.
“This is the 2nd Stephen King film adaptation.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:09:27 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968): 1 line
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unmapped (led to Kubrick mythology) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ The Shining (the host's read).
2001 is the reason for Kubrick's godlike mythology, without which people would invest less in The Shining.
“I don't think people would invest as much into The Shining if this movie didn't exist.”
Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:01:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Forgetting Sarah Marshall (2008): 1 line
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programming (programming) · through Misery (1990), which they were tied to as suggested for the agent:
Forgetting Sarah Marshall ⇒ Misery (the host's read).
Dracula the Musical award is borrowed from Sarah Marshall; given to the Misery books.
“We relate, so in, in, uh, forgetting Sarah Marshall.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:57:17 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
Pulp Fiction (1994): 1 line
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programming (programming) · through Misery (1990), which they were tied to as suggested for the agent:
Pulp Fiction ⇒ Misery (the host's read).
Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film is borrowed from Pulp Fiction.
“The Butch's girlfriend Award, Butch's girlfriend from Pulp Fiction.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:59:07 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
Stand by Me (1986): 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Misery (1990), which they were tied to as suggested for the agent:
Stand by Me ⇒ Misery (the host's read).
King's first adaptation he liked was Stand By Me; Reiner got Misery through that deal.
“the 1st one of the 1st adaptation of his that he actually really liked was stand by me.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 0:11:08 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
Steven Spielberg: 1 line
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people (people) · through The Trial of the Chicago 7 (2020), which they were tied to as married Tom Hayden after the events of:
Steven Spielberg ⇒ The Trial of the Chicago 7 (the host's read).
Spielberg long wanted to make it and encouraged Sorkin to write the script.
“Steven Spielberg had always wanted to make this movie.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:31:53 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
Drawn on by
What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.
Doctor Sleep (2019): 6 lines
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lineage (sequel) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep is the sequel to Kubrick's The Shining, which is the whole sell and the whole problem.
“You're doing a sequel to The Shining.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Doctor Sleep · 0:12:41 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them) -
lineage (sequel) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep is the sequel to The Shining.
“Dr. Sleep, the sequel to, which I feel like is actually a better movie”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:58:43 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them) -
lineage (homage) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep has to pay some homage to Kubrick while following a novel whose author hates the film.
“it has to thread paying some homage to Kubrick”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:14:53 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep's script threads King's book and Kubrick's film, and addresses King's complaint about what Kubrick changed.
“It addresses the conflict between Stephen King and what he didn't like about the Kubrick movie.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Fifth Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid (Ad-Free) · 0:46:49 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep uses grown-up Danny and a new generation, Abra Stone.
“Using a familiar figure from the original film in Danny, the grown up Danny”
The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:31:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them) -
lineage (sequel) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Doctor Sleep (the host's read).
Doctor Sleep is named as a continuation of The Shining, with the Stephen King thing.
“There's also Doctor Sleep.”
Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 2:48:12 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
1980s Stephen King adaptations (Cujo, The Dead Zone, Christine, etc.): 1 line
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unmapped (led to) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ 1980s Stephen King adaptations (Cujo, The Dead Zone, Christine, etc.) (the host's read).
After The Shining and Carrie came the real 1980s wave of King adaptations.
“the real 80s wave of like lots of king stuff.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:09:47 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
Bobby's World (TV): 1 line
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lineage (homage) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Bobby's World (TV) (the host's read).
The Bobby's World opening of Bobby on a big wheel is called an homage to The Shining.
“And it's so clearly has to be an homage to this”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:06:41 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
Punishment Park: 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through The Trial of the Chicago 7 (2020), which they were tied to as married Tom Hayden after the events of:
The Trial of the Chicago 7 ⇒ Punishment Park (the host's read).
Punishment Park is recommended as a very loose take on this trial.
“There's this great movie called Punishment Park that I would recommend to anybody that is very loosely based on this trial.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:31:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
Ready Player One: 1 line
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lineage (homage) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Ready Player One (the host's read).
Ready Player One has a fun sequence set in the hotel.
“Ready player one, they go to the hotel.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:26:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
Stephen King's The Shining (1997 miniseries): 1 line
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unmapped (answered by) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Stephen King's The Shining (1997 miniseries) (the host's read).
King's own miniseries is described as him showing folks the real Shining, after his objections to the film.
“okay, time to roll up my sleeves and show you folks the real shining.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:47:01 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
The Simpsons (TV): 1 line
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unmapped (parody) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ The Simpsons (TV) (the host's read).
The Simpsons parodied the film; the speaker knew its elements from parodies first.
“I feel like I'd seen so many parodies of different elements of this.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:35:57 · Ben Hosley (0.40 sure it was them)
Zodiac (2007): 1 line
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unmapped (stolen move) · through The Shining (1980), which they were tied to as hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy):
The Shining ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read).
Fincher steals the Steadicam move where the camera turns with the car and keeps it centered.
“Fincher steals that move of like when the car turns a corner”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 2:05:09 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
What the speakers said they did
Acting (3) everyone in acting
- actor, (career-shift comparison) (The Big Picture, The 10 Most Misused Stars in Hollywood and the Gnarly Magic of ‘Send Help’)
- part, This Is Where I Leave You (Blank Check — Patreon, Gone Girl with Esther Zuckerman (Ad-Free))
- lead, Sunday in New York (Blank Check — Patreon, Dr. Strangelove... with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free))
Other (3) everyone in other
- suggested for the agent, Misery (The Rewatchables, ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman)
- married Tom Hayden after the events of, The Trial of the Chicago 7 (The Big Picture, Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’)
- hypothetical casting, ruled out by Kubrick (Wendy), The Shining (Blank Check — Patreon, The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free))
What was said about them, by kind
people (1)
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people (people):
Tom Hayden → Jane Fonda.
After the case, Hayden marries Jane Fonda, a life the hosts want a Q and A about.
“after the events of this film, Tom Hayden marries Jane Fonda.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:57:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
what-if (2)
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what-if (what-if):
Misery → Jane Fonda.
Jane Fonda surfaces as an alternate for the agent.
“Jane Fonda.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Misery’ With Bill Simmons and Brian Koppelman · 1:07:01 · Brian Koppelman (0.45 sure it was them) -
what-if (what-if casting):
Jane Fonda → The Shining.
Kubrick said you could not have Jane Fonda in the part.
“you can't have Jane Fawn to play this part.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 1:41:23 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
Fun items about them
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fun, about
Jane Fonda:
Hayden later married Jane Fonda; the host wants her take and recommends her autobiography.
“All I want to know is what Jane Fonda thinks of this movie.”
The Big Picture · Aaron Sorkin Top 5s and ‘The Trial of the Chicago 7’ · 1:57:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)