György Ligeti

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as composer, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they scored, which the two lists below run through too: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968); Eyes Wide Shut (1999).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Arthur Schnitzler: 2 lines

  1. lineage (adaptation) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Arthur Schnitzler ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the host's read). Kubrick turned Schnitzler's Dream Story into Eyes Wide Shut 30 plus years later (per the dossier).
    “the Arthur Schnitzler book that he's going to turn into Eyes Wide Shut 30 plus years later.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:10:40 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (source novella) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Arthur Schnitzler ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the host's read). The speaker says the novel is very close to the film, so close that its plot beats are nearly one to one.
    “And it is very similar to eyes wide shut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:33:31 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Dream Story (Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler novella): 1 line

  1. lineage (adaptation) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Dream Story (Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler novella) ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the host's read). The speakers note the film's credit says inspired by, not adapted from, Schnitzler's novella.
    “It's not adapted from Schnitzler.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:37:01 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Kirk Douglas: 1 line

  1. lineage (origin of the project) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Kirk Douglas ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the maker said so). Kirk Douglas claims he handed Kubrick the novella during their Paths of Glory or Spartacus fights.
    “Kirk Douglas claims he gave it to him during one of their like shared therapy sessions”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:33:04 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Modern Romance: 1 line

  1. lineage (influence) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Modern Romance ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the maker said so: Kubrick's call to Albert Brooks, 'that famous story'). Kubrick reached out to Albert Brooks after Modern Romance because he wanted to bottle that dynamic of men and women.
    “if you like reached out to Albert Brooks after seeing modern romance and said, like, Brit, and he was like, how did you do this?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:38:46 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Terry Southern: 1 line

  1. lineage (origin of an idea) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Terry Southern ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the host's read). A conversation Southern had with Kubrick about an erotic film that looks like a film is called a kernel of Eyes Wide Shut.
    “he basically had a conversation at one point with Kubrick that is a kernel of eyes wide shut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 1:15:42 · Alex Ross Perry (0.60 sure it was them)

The Sentinel (short story): 1 line

  1. lineage (source story) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: The Sentinel (short story) ⇒ 2001: A Space Odyssey (the host's read). The film and companion novel drafted off Clarke's short story The Sentinel, which had the germ of the monolith idea.
    “So it's going off drafting off of the Sentinel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:52:22 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (2011): 1 line

  1. lineage (title origin) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy ⇒ Eyes Wide Shut (the host's read). The speaker offers that the phrase 'eyes wide shut' may come from the le Carre novel.
    “It may have been inspired from Tinker Teal or Soldier Spy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 0:40:51 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984): 5 lines

  1. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The film has a sequel, and Clarke wrote three sequel novels.
    “Obviously, the sequel exists.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:11:43 · Jordan Hoffman (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 tries to answer Kubrick's questions and is more loyal to Arthur C. Clarke's ideas.
    “it's much more... As I remember loyal to Arthur C. Clark's science fiction ideas”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:26:18 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 was made because the novel sequel existed, a movie made just because they had to.
    “Because Arthur C. Clark had come out with a 2010 novel.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:54:20 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 is the sequel to 2001; the speaker's reaction to the Kubrick film is the benchmark throughout.
    “And I said, oh, you know, 2010, the sequel to 2001 and they were like, the what?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:02:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (borrowed music) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The only thing 2010 borrows from 2001, apart from plotting, is the music, including the Zarathustra drop at the end.
    “Yeah, is the music.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:07:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Jack Kirby: 2 lines

  1. unmapped (led to Fourth World) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Jack Kirby (the host's read). Kirby's Fourth World is said to come out of his 2001 work.
    “Yeah, and I think like 4th world essentially comes out of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 2:12:31 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (comic adaptation) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Jack Kirby (the host's read). Kirby's Marvel series began by adapting the movie in its first three issues, then went its own way.
    “Like, the 1st 3 issues are the movie... and he went bananas with it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 2:12:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Silent Running (1972): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Silent Running (the host's read). 2001 spawned heady, serious, clean sci-fi like Silent Running.
    “2001 leads to a spat of things like silent running, you know, these movies that are like very heady.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:12:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (wave of imitators) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Silent Running (the host's read). After 2001 came a wave of slower sci-fi imitators, naming Silent Running and Capricorn One.
    “But it is funny, like after this, there's a wave of imitators, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:42:30 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

2010 (1984): 1 line

  1. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010 (the host's read). Peter Hyams made a film sequel to 2001, following the books.
    “But, like, he rolled up his sleeves and he was like, 2001?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 2:48:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

2069: A Sex Odyssey: 1 line

  1. lineage (influence) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2069: A Sex Odyssey (the host's read). The porn parody is said to be very influenced by 2001.
    “actually is actually very influenced by this film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:42:56 · Jordan Hoffman (0.30 sure it was them)

A Clockwork Orange (1971): 1 line

  1. unmapped (self-reference) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ A Clockwork Orange (the host's read). The record store scene shows the 2001 soundtrack, which the speakers read as Kubrick nodding at his own movie.
    “but he's kind of like being like, guys, I made that movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 1:44:54 · Alex Ross Perry (0.50 sure it was them)

Ad Astra (2019): 1 line

  1. unmapped (cribbing) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Ad Astra (the host's read). Ad Astra is called the one other film that feels realistic about space travel, and it cribs from 2001.
    “is cribbing from it so much where like the way at Astra depicts space travel”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:41:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Babygirl (2024): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Eyes Wide Shut ⇒ Babygirl (the host's read). The stoned late-night bedroom lecture after the rave echoes Eyes Wide Shut.
    “Nice callback to eyes wide shut and lecturing Tom Cruise in the bedroom while stoned out of their minds.”
    The Big Picture · The Nicole Kidman Hall of Fame, and ‘Babygirl’ · 0:24:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Being There (1979): 1 line

  1. theme (theme reused) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Being There (the host's read). Being There used a funky version of 2001's Zarathustra theme for its big moment.
    “they were going to play the also Sprack Zarathustra, but they did the funky version instead”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:37:23 · Jordan Hoffman (0.50 sure it was them)

David Fincher: 1 line

  1. unmapped (early commercial reference) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ David Fincher (the host's read). At 24 Fincher used a baby smoking, a 2001 reference, in an American Cancer Society ad.
    “a baby smoking a cigarette as a, as a, as a reference to 2001 is incredibly powerful iconography”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 1:17:15 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)

Elvis Presley: 1 line

  1. craft (music borrowed) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Elvis Presley (the host's read). Elvis took the Zarathustra overture from the film almost immediately and opened his concerts with it.
    “Almost immediately after the movie took this took the music.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:38:21 · Jordan Hoffman (0.40 sure it was them)

History of the World, Part I (1981): 1 line

  1. unmapped (parody) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ History of the World, Part I (the host's read). Monty Python and History of the World Part I did 2001 parodies.
    “they did 2001 of Space Odyssey parodies. History of the World Part one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:28:00 · Jordan Hoffman (0.60 sure it was them)

Juneteenth (Atlanta episode) (2016): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Eyes Wide Shut ⇒ Juneteenth (Atlanta episode) (the host's read). Donald Glover's character describes the party as a Spike-directed reboot of Eyes Wide Shut.
    “this is like a spikely directed reboot of eyes wide shut”
    The Big Picture · Janicza Bravo and Brett Gelman Channel Rejection and Anxiety to Make ‘Lemon’ | The Big Picture (Ep. 22) · 0:04:44 · Alison Herman (0.85 sure it was them)

Phantom Thread (2017): 1 line

  1. unmapped (lesson learned) · through Eyes Wide Shut (1999), which they scored: Eyes Wide Shut ⇒ Phantom Thread (the host's read). The speaker feels PTA took lessons from visiting the Kubrick set about small crews.
    “Like, it feels like PTA sort of learned some lessons from being on the set that took years to see Ben.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:06:03 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Shining (1980): 1 line

  1. unmapped (led to Kubrick mythology) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they scored: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ The Shining (the host's read). 2001 is the reason for Kubrick's godlike mythology, without which people would invest less in The Shining.
    “I don't think people would invest as much into The Shining if this movie didn't exist.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:01:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Music (2) everyone in music

What was said about them, by kind

craft (1)

  1. craft (music discovery): György Ligeti → 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick's wife heard Ligeti's scary music on BBC radio, and Kubrick tracked it down for the film.
    “Kubrick's wife was had the BBC radio on and it was their like new music hour and she heard this scary music”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:45:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (needle drop): György Ligeti → Eyes Wide Shut. The Ligeti music's first appearance is called one of the great needle drops in film.
    “one of the great needle drops in all of film, which is the introduction of the Legeti score”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 2:10:04 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

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