Shelley Winters

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as other. The films the hosts said they were tied to, which the two lists below run through too: Friday the 13th (1980). Count them as actor (8 films) instead.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974): 4 lines

  1. unmapped (template) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). The imposing masked killer and the final girl in Chainsaw became the slasher template Friday the 13th and Halloween used.
    “We have that, that ends up in Halloween, Friday the 13th, everything else.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:04:06 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (final girl prototype) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). Sally is the ground-zero prototype final girl later ripped off in every Friday the 13th and most Halloween movies.
    “she's the prototype ground 0 final girl that then gets ripped off.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:06:46 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (rip-off) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). The final girl running to Jason's mom for help copies Sally running to the gas station guy.
    “Friday the 13th rips it off.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:41:15 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). Friday borrowed the seemingly friendly helper who turns out hostile and the killer who keeps getting back up.
    “a seemingly friendly helper who ends up being not friendly, the Texas chainsaw move.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Meatballs: 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Meatballs ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). Meatballs was as much an influence on the camp setting and look as Halloween was.
    “I think carrying meatballs were equally influential as Halloween is on this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:11:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Meatballs ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). The pitch was Halloween crossed with the summer-camp comedy Meatballs.
    “And it was basically Halloween crossed meatballs, ends up getting the money”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Carrie (1976): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Carrie ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). The final-scene jump scare is directly influenced by the hand coming out of the grave in Carrie.
    “it's directly like influenced by Carrie, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:43:46 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Halloween (1978): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Halloween ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). Friday the 13th was an openly shameless Halloween ripoff, built on Halloween's success.
    “We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:45 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Jaws (1975): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Jaws ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read). Friday took Jaws' device of music for a villain you cannot see.
    “the Jaws music for the villain you can't see.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:35 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Friday the 13th ⇒ Friday the 13th Part 2 (the host's read). Part 2 essentially redoes the first film with a better bad guy and a little more money.
    “I think the 2nd one almost stands in as like, let's redo the 1st one, but make the bad guy even better.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:03:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma (2026): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Friday the 13th (1980), which they were tied to as turned down Pamela: Friday the 13th ⇒ Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma (the host's read). The in-film franchise is very much Friday the 13th while also running through the paces of Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer.
    “It is very much Friday the 13th, but it's also gone through some of the same paces as Scream, and I know what you did last summer and things like that.”
    The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 0:21:40 · Adam Nayman (0.50 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Acting (9) everyone in acting

Other (1) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

unmapped (2)

  1. unmapped (same role): Shelley Winters → Melanie Griffith. In the Lyne film Melanie Griffith plays the Winters part quietly, aware the Winters performance is infamous.
    “She's just like, well, I know the Shelley Winters performance is infamous.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Lolita with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 1:07:35 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (difficult takes): Shelley Winters → Jane Campion. The making-of for Winters' final film, Campion's Portrait of a Lady, shows her overwhelmed on every take.
    “we also watched the making of thing for Portrait of Lady, her final film”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Lolita with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 1:26:12 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Shelley Winters. Shelley Winters turned down the role; Palmer took it for a new car.
    “Shelley Winters turned it down.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:18:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Shelley Winters: Winters campaigned for JFK so hard she demanded the shoot work around the election, with inauguration attendance written into her contract.
    “was campaigning for JFK so hard that she demanded the movie be shot around that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Lolita with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 1:25:34 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Shelley Winters: Kubrick reportedly almost fired Winters on set.
    “At one point, apparently Stanley Kubrick almost fired her and said, I think that lady's going to have to go.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Lolita with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 1:26:39 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)