The Rewatchables: ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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The extraction calls the show “The Rewatchables (The Ringer)” and the episode “'Friday the 13th' With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan”.

Hosts: Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan. Guests: Craig (Bangkok Craig).

Subject films: Friday the 13th (1980).

On the transcript: No speaker labels; auto-transcription is noisy with several mangled names and sports-gag segments. Speaker attributions are low-confidence except where the speaker names themselves or tells personal stories.

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Correct spellings Siskel, Stamford, Camp No-Be-Bo-Sco, Adrienne King, Robbi Morgan, Donald Pleasence, Michael Caine, Longlegs, Romancing the Stone are inferred from memory to repair mangled transcript names.
Sean S. Cunningham appears with the middle initial from the brief; speakers say only Sean Cunningham.
Roles listed as director in the Steve Miner entries and the Cunningham director role rest on speaker statements (Miner director of 2 and 3; Cunningham called the director producer).

Awards and segments (67)

Double feature

pick A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: The host pairs it as an underrated follow-up that makes a good bookend for the evening, ending the night on another Pamela-adjacent transition.
“I went Nightmare on Elm Street too, which is an underrated nightmare on Elm Street.”
unknown · 1:40:21

Most rewatchable scene

pick The opening scene set in 1958, with the counselors singing around the guitar before the killer takes the couple out.
“Um, the opening scene set in 1958.”
unknown · 0:30:13
pick Annie's car ride to Camp Blood, with the truck driver warning her off.
“Annie's car ride to camp blood.”
unknown · 0:32:00
pick Marcy and Jack die, the scene the host says the whole movie is built around.
“I have Marcy and Jack fucking die.”
unknown · 0:48:07
floated The canoe ending where Jason comes out of the lake, floated while walking through the movie.
“One of the scariest things I've ever seen when I 1st saw it was Jason.”
unknown · 0:43:22

Ebert review · The reading of Roger Ebert's take on the film.

pick Friday the 13th: No written review exists; Ebert and Siskel hated it on their TV show, and Siskel gave away the ending in print. No star rating given.
“Ebert, no written review.”
unknown · 0:25:30

Best 1980 thing · The most 1980 thing about the movie.

winner The Bogart and Hepburn impersonations: Two characters do old-movie star impressions at different points.
“But I think the winner is 2 characters and 2 different points to a Bogart impersonation or Catherine Hepburn.”
unknown · 0:50:33
nominee The old gas station pumps
“The old gas station pumps really brought me back at the gas station.”
unknown · 0:50:23
nominee Hitchhiking
“Number one, the hitchhiking.”
unknown · 0:51:26
nominee Kids hanging out at the lake
“Number two, white kids at the lake.”
unknown · 0:51:32

What aged best · What in the movie has held up best.

pick The groundwork it lays for the sequels
“A truly tremendous setup for the sequels.”
unknown · 0:54:13
pick Kevin Bacon as Jack
“Kevin Bacon is aged the best for sure.”
unknown · 0:54:34
pick Jack reading the weather by the lake: Praised as what guys knew before ESPN.
“I always love the moment when Jack and Marcy are down by the lake and Jack just goes, wins shifted 180 degrees.”
unknown · 0:57:05
pick Alice describing her blood-rain dream while he only wants to go inside: The host says it shows how horny men are.
“What's age the best is how horny men are.”
unknown · 0:57:41
pick Harry Manfredini's score
“The only other one I had was the score.”
unknown · 0:59:01
pick The slow-motion machete decapitation: A hallmark of the series.
“Just because that's become, that's a hallmark of these movies and winds up becoming like the, you got to have it, stay put.”
unknown · 1:00:01

Best character name · The best name in the movie.

pick Jason Voorhees
“Jason Voorhees was mine.”
unknown · 1:01:11
pick Crazy Ralph
“I had crazy Ralph.”
unknown · 1:01:12

Clarence Worley Should Have Died at the End Award · The character who should have died at the end of the movie.

winner Alice as Alice: He wants Jason to rise from the lake and pull her under for a bleaker ending.
“I got Clarence Worley should have died at the end award for Alice, because that would have been the sickest ending ever if Big Jake goes out in the leak.”
Chris Ryan · 1:01:51

Better title · Whether there was a better title for the movie.

winner Camp Blood: Argues it should have been called Camp Blood, with Friday the 13th kept for a different franchise.
“I think he should have called this camp blood.”
unknown · 1:05:22

Butch's Girlfriend Award · The weak link of the film.

winner Ned: Annoying, the headdress-wearing prankster.
“I got Ned man.”
unknown · 1:05:56
winner Ned
“Naked's on my fucking nerves.”
unknown · 1:06:45
winner Adrian King as Alice: Argues Annie should have been the hero and Alice killed off first.
“I think the 1st girl who died, Annie, should have actually been the hero of the movie, and I would have killed off Alice first.”
unknown · 1:08:13

What aged worst · What in the movie has held up worst.

pick Steve Christy: Creepy hitting on the help, shirtless, touching Alice's head.
“Steve Christ is a piece of shit.”
unknown · 1:06:01
pick Knowing the reveal that it is Pamela
“Knowing the reveal.”
unknown · 1:09:18
pick Faking a drowning to get mouth to mouth
“Faking a drowning, so a cute coworker can give you math to math.”
unknown · 1:09:26
pick The cop's line to Ned in the headdress
“Um, settle down, Tonto.”
unknown · 1:09:34
pick A real snake being killed for the movie
“By the way, that's also in what stage the worst because they actually killed the snake.”
unknown · 1:10:59
pick The Bogart impression
“Um, the Bogart impression I had uh, aged pretty badly, but something else, like this movie is a horror movie.”
unknown · 1:11:23

John Rambo Underacting Award · The most underplayed performance, the opposite of the overacting award.

winner Adrian King as Alice: Not horrified enough by finding all her friends dead.
“I have Adrian King as the underacting award.”
unknown · 1:13:16

Hottest take · A hot take about the movie or the franchise.

pick Society was better when weed was called grass
“Society was like in a much better state when they called wheat grass.”
unknown · 1:14:55
pick Friday the 13th Part 2: Calls the leap from the first film to the second the greatest sequel improvement ever.
“The leap from Friday one to Friday 2 makes Friday 2 the greatest sequel of all time.”
unknown · 1:16:05
pick The movie needed a dad: Jason's father might have stopped it; another host says he loves the take.
“This movie needed a dad.”
unknown · 1:17:25

Casting what-ifs · Almost-castings and who the hosts would recast.

pick Sally Field as Pamela Voorhees: The filmmakers wanted her but could not afford her, which pushed them to unknowns.
“You said the Sally Field thing already.”
unknown · 1:18:40
pick Shelley Winters as Pamela Voorhees: She turned it down; Betsy Palmer took it for a new car.
“Shelley Winters turned it down.”
unknown · 1:18:50
pick Sean Cunningham's son as young Jason: His wife vetoed it.
“to get his son in the movie and the wife vetoed it.”
unknown · 1:19:07
pick Tom Hanks as Ned
“Obviously, Tom Hanks is Ned.”
unknown · 1:24:28
pick Sharon Stone as Alice
“Uh, Young Sharon Stone as Alice?”
unknown · 1:24:36
nominee Kathleen Turner as Pamela Voorhees: Judged too sultry and probably beneath her.
“Kathleen Turner?”
unknown · 1:24:45

Van Lathan flex: movies that did not need Black people · Van's flex list of films that were better off without Black characters.

pick Top 5: Friday the 13th, The Big Chill, Grease, Good Will Hunting, Jackass: Joking list, counting down from Friday the 13th at five to Jackass at one.
“Uh, so my flex is the top 5 list of movies that didn't need black people.”
Van Lathan · 1:19:15

Villain ranking on the Hans Gruber scale · Where the film's villain ranks on a villain scale.

pick Pamela Voorhees as Pamela Voorhees: Scored a 3.5 because she only really goes wild for the last ten minutes.
“Hans Gruber scale villain ranking for Jason's bomb, like a 3.5 .”
unknown · 1:23:14

Dion Waiters Award · A small role with a big impact.

winner Betsy Palmer as Pamela Voorhees: Only about ten minutes in the movie.
“I think Jason's bomb went.”
unknown · 1:24:23
nominee Crazy Ralph
“Yeah, her Ralph.”
unknown · 1:24:15
nominee Young Jason: Called a great second scene.
“I mean, it's a great 2nd scene.”
unknown · 1:24:18

Mallory Rubin Award (did it need a better sex scene) · Whether the movie needed a better sex scene.

winner The sex scene should have been the climax with Pamela infiltrating it
“I think they really misplayed the sex in this movie.”
Craig Horlbeck · 1:25:49

Best production story · The wildest story from the making of the film.

winner Lou Reed lived next to the camp and played a free show for the cast
“Had a house next to the camp.”
unknown · 1:26:43

Apex Mountain · Where a performance or film sits at the top of its type.

pick Adrian King as Alice
“Apex Mountain.”
unknown · 1:29:16
pick Meatballs: Offered as the top summer camp movie.
“meatballs, yeah.”
unknown · 1:30:33
pick Friday the 13th: The top Halloween ripoff movie.
“Halloween ripoff movies, this definitely.”
unknown · 1:30:35

Dumbest kids in a horror movie · Whether these counselors are the dumbest victims in horror.

winner The camp counselors
“Yeah, these these motherfuckers are truly, truly imbeciles.”
unknown · 1:32:04

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of the movie.

pick Where Pamela was in the dormant years and why the town never suspected her
“This is my, this is my big thing is where, where is Pam in the intervening dead years while the camp is dormant?”
unknown · 1:32:26
pick Pamela is not athletic enough to pull off what she does and the fight is bad
“The biggest picking knit is his mom of Voorhees athletic enough to pull off anything in this movie because she's a terrible fighter.”
unknown · 1:33:41
pick Jason was not a good swimmer yet was swimming at night
“My last one, Jason wasn't a good swimmer.”
unknown · 1:34:20

Sequel, prequel or streamer · The sequel, prequel or show they would make.

pick An all-Black-cast version, the one thing they have not done
“They literally done all of it except for all black cats.”
unknown · 1:34:55
pick The upcoming prequel series: Mentioned as already coming.
“And there's a prequel coming with Lindsey Carter leaning.”
unknown · 1:34:57

Oscar pick · Who should win an Oscar for this movie.

winner Tom Savini: For the makeup and effects.
“I give it to Tom Savini, the makeup guy, because he's gone on dad.”
unknown · 1:37:11
nominee The score
“Just one Oscar who gets it, probably the score.”
unknown · 1:37:09

Unanswered questions · Questions the movie leaves open.

pick Crazy Ralph's home life
“What is Ralph's home life?”
unknown · 0:47:48
pick The kid Jason who rises from the lake 22 years after he drowned
“But it's 22 years after he drowned.”
unknown · 1:38:04

Memorabilia · The prop they would most want from the movie.

pick The Welcome to Camp Crystal Lake sign
“The Welcome to Camp Crystal Lake sign.”
unknown · 1:39:39
pick The Monopoly board
“The monopoly board.”
unknown · 1:39:43
winner The machete: Because it becomes iconic for the franchise.
“I want the machete.”
unknown · 1:39:46

Best worst life lesson · The life lesson the movie teaches, best or worst.

pick Do not reopen Camp Blood
“Maybe re don't reopen Camp Blood.”
unknown · 1:39:57
pick Read the reviews before taking a job at a camp, and heed the diner locals
“Read the Yelp reviews before you accept a job being a cook at a camp.”
unknown · 1:40:07

Who won the movie · Who or what came out ahead from the film.

nominee Steve Miner: Associate producer on the first film and director of the next two.
“I'm gonna throw out Steve Minor.”
unknown · 1:40:41
nominee Jason Voorhees
“I think it's Jason.”
unknown · 1:41:04
winner The Friday the 13th franchise and its IP
“Maybe Friday the 13th is the winner because it's the franchise.”
unknown · 1:41:16

Films that came up

Claims (68)

verdict (verdict): Friday the 13th → Jason Takes Manhattan. Jason Takes Manhattan is held up as one of the funniest movies of the 80s.
“which might be the funniest movie, the 80s.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:03:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th Part 2. Part 2 essentially redoes the first film with a better bad guy and a little more money.
“I think the 2nd one almost stands in as like, let's redo the 1st one, but make the bad guy even better.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:03:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
verdict (verdict): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th Part 4 (The Final Chapter). The series finds its legs at Part 4, which is called awesome.
“But I think it finds its legs at four.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:03:55 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → Halloween. The holiday-dread gimmick (Halloween, Friday the 13th) was seen as a repeatable hook; other date horror films failed to pay off the premise.
“Didn't work with some other versions of it.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:06:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Prom Night. Prom Night, Happy Birthday to Me and Terror Train tried the same date-or-event gimmick but did not pay it off.
“Yeah, there were a couple of I couldn't pay off the premise.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:06:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → Krampus. A speaker likes Christmas horror like Krampus; another does not like horror at Christmas.
“I love I like Krampus.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:06:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
industry (industry): Friday the 13th → The Shining. Spring and summer 1980 TV spots for Friday the 13th and The Shining both scared a ten-year-old; Friday's ad showed every murder.
“There was 2 commercials, spring, summer, 1980 that scared the fuck out of me.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:07:38 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → Dressed to Kill. 1980 was a wave of horror: Dressed to Kill and The Shining as the mainstream entries next to the cheap slashers.
“Dressed to kill, doesn't count.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:09:07 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
career (career): Will Smith → A Nightmare on Elm Street. Will Smith made a Freddy rap song that tied the Nightmare franchise to his records; the speakers recall it as bad but thrilling at the time.
“Will Smith did a Freddy song.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:10:50 · unidentified host (Rewatchables panel) (0.30 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Jason as unkillable mindless villain is likened to Thanos; Jason is a franchise villain the way Myers and Freddy are.
“Jason becomes this mindless, almost like super villain, like Thanos”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:11:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Meatballs. Meatballs was as much an influence on the camp setting and look as Halloween was.
“I think carrying meatballs were equally influential as Halloween is on this.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:11:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
people (people): Adrienne King → Christy McNichol. Alice's helmet-like haircut is compared to Christy McNichol's look.
“Christy McNichol here.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:12:02 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
verdict (verdict): Friday the 13th → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Slasher Mount Rushmore: Leatherface, Myers, Kruger, Jason, with Ghostface the next tier.
“so Leatherface, Myers, Kruger, Jason.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:16:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Leatherface's real tragedy is that he is just a private man; Jason and Freddy have trauma backstories that Leatherface lacks.
“I don't think that they ever unlocked like what's what's Leatherface's trauma”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:16:38 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Friday the 13th was an openly shameless Halloween ripoff, built on Halloween's success.
“We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:45 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
industry (industry): Sean S. Cunningham → Halloween. Cunningham saw Halloween succeed, took out a trade ad for a non-existent movie, and found his funding.
“The producer, Sean Cunningham, saw Halloween was successful, came up with this idea, put an ad in variety”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:50 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Meatballs. The pitch was Halloween crossed with the summer-camp comedy Meatballs.
“And it was basically Halloween crossed meatballs, ends up getting the money”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:11 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
industry (industry): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Cunningham gets credit for seeing the repeatability of the gimmick and committing to a movie a year.
“He gets credit, I think, for realizing the repeatability of the gimmick, right?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:32 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
industry (industry): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Both original films were meant to be one-offs; the sequel idea was an anthology of scary dates before Jason took over.
“what they had thought was maybe we could make this like an anthology”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:19:04 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
industry (industry): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th Part III. Part III rode the brief 3D craze and made audiences root for Jason against intentionally awful victims, like a biker gang.
“They put intentionally horrible people in there and they just wanted the audience to have Jason want to kill them.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:19:48 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Scream. Scream found a smarter, meta way to keep a franchise going with a changing villain; the Friday films are simple 'what would happen if' movies.
“I mean, those movies are so much smarter than these movies.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:21:03 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Sally Field. They wanted Sally Field, could not get her, and so cast unknowns, which lets you kill anyone.
“Because they wanted Sally Field and they could not get her.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:22:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
people (people): Adrienne King → Karen Allen. King's Alice reads as a Karen Allen type.
“She has a little Karen Allen tour.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:22:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Myers has no motive; Friday has a revenge motive from the drowned boy.
“It's just the lights are on and nobody's home with this dude.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:28:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → A Nightmare on Elm Street. Compares killer motives: Friday's vengeance is for a drowned kid, Halloween's Myers is pure evil, Freddy is the hardest to empathize with.
“So I would argue Freddie, probably the worst of the 3 to empathize with as the killer.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:28:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
programming (programming): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th Part 2. Parts 2 and 3 open with the final minutes of the previous film to deliver an early kill.
“the sequels, especially 2 and 3, open with the last 10 minutes of the previous movie to get a killing.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:36:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Alice's closing fight is compared with Jamie Lee Curtis dropping the knife, the genre's worst mistake.
“I mean, the worst ever was Jamie Lee Curtis, the Halloween one.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:42:31 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Carrie. The final-scene jump scare is directly influenced by the hand coming out of the grave in Carrie.
“it's directly like influenced by Carrie, right?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:43:46 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
craft (craft): Tom Savini → Friday the 13th. The last-second jump scare was Savini's idea, the makeup artist wanting one more button.
“And I think this is Tom Savini's idea.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:43:51 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
craft (craft): Friday the 13th → A Nightmare on Elm Street. The final scare is the gimmick that every later franchise ending copies, the sting that tells you the killer is not dead.
“Hey, just let you know, Freddy's not fucking dead.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:44:27 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Carrie. A female killer was not new: Carrie is a female murderer, prompting a debate about whether she was justified.
“Well, I mean, Carrie, Carrie is a female murderer.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:44:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Psycho. Pamela's killer-mom, recalls Norman Bates and Mommy Dearest.
“Pamela kind of reminds me of going even back to like Manchurian, Canada, or like Mommy Dearest”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:08 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Jaws. Friday took Jaws' device of music for a villain you cannot see.
“the Jaws music for the villain you can't see.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:35 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Friday borrowed the seemingly friendly helper who turns out hostile and the killer who keeps getting back up.
“a seemingly friendly helper who ends up being not friendly, the Texas chainsaw move.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Crazy Ralph, the outsider who is right about the danger, is compared to Donald Pleasence in Halloween.
“Do you consider Donald Pleasance that in Halloween?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:47:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. The cemetery-warning figure at the start of Chain Saw parallels Ralph.
“The guy in the beginning at the cemetery at Texas Chainsaw Massacre, he kind of warns everybody of what's to come.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:47:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
career (career): Kevin Bacon → Animal House. Bacon's earlier Rewatchables appearances are listed, starting with Animal House.
“JFK, this is for Animal House.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:48:40 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
career (career): Kevin Bacon → Tremors. Bacon is praised as the perfect mid-level leading man in 80s and early 90s movies like Tremors, The Big Picture, Quicksilver and Flatliners.
“where he's the lead, like tremors or whatever.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:49:12 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
career (career): Kevin Bacon → Mystic River. A hope of doing Mystic River on the show, but it is doubtful it is rewatchable.
“Will we ever do Mystic River?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:49:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Pulp Fiction. Doing Bogart and Hepburn impressions in 1980 is like doing Pulp Fiction imitations four years later; the cultural reference had not yet expired.
“I mean it's Jules and Forrest Scott.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:50:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
verdict (verdict): Friday the 13th → Halloween. Manfredini's score is nearly as good as Halloween's piano theme, which wins gold with this as silver.
“No, he the Halloween wins the gold for like...”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:59:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
lineage (lineage): Friday the 13th → Dressed to Kill. The did-it-really-happen dream ending echoes the double ending in Dressed to Kill.
“Dressed to kill as the same double ending at the end”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:02:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Adrienne King → Karen Allen. Annie, killed in the first ten minutes, could have been the series' Lori Strode if kept as the hero.
“They had Annie, who's basically Karen Allen 2.0.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:08:53 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Michael Mann → Miami Vice. A joke: Michael Mann could redo the kills with more money, as he did Miami Vice.
“Michael Mann do it when he's redoing Miami Vice.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:09:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → The Big Chill. The pot in the film is called grass; Big Chill and Dazed and Confused are the movies where white people smoke grass.
“You know what movie they smoked grass in?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:15:33 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
verdict (verdict): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th Part 2. The leap from the first Friday to Part 2 is called the best sequel improvement ever, even above Aliens and Godfather 2.
“The leap from Friday one to Friday 2 makes Friday 2 the greatest sequel of all time.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:16:05 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th Part 2 → Aliens. Part 2 is argued to improve more on its original than Aliens, Godfather 2, or Empire.
“Hmm. Friday 2 is like leaps and bounds.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:16:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th Part 2 → The Godfather Part II. Great sequels usually had great source material; Part 2 had much less to build on.
“Because most movies that we talk about as being phenomenal sequels, they have so much phenomenal source material.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:16:58 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Shelley Winters. Shelley Winters turned down the role; Palmer took it for a new car.
“Shelley Winters turned it down.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:18:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Sean S. Cunningham. Cunningham wanted his son to play young Jason, but his wife vetoed it.
“to get his son in the movie and the wife vetoed it.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:19:07 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → The Big Chill. Van's flex: a top five of movies that did not need Black people, with Friday the 13th at number five.
“Number five, Friday the 13th.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:13 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
theme (theme): The Big Chill → Grease. Van's list continues through Grease, Good Will Hunting, and Jackass.
“Number three, Grease.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:44 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks as Ned would make the movie 100 times better.
“Obviously, Tom Hanks is Ned.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:24:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Sharon Stone. Recast Alice with a young Sharon Stone, her first movie.
“Uh, Young Sharon Stone as Alice?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:24:36 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
what-if (what-if): Friday the 13th → Kathleen Turner. Kathleen Turner as the mom is rejected as too sultry and a little beneath her.
“Kathleen Turner?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:24:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
career (career): Michael Douglas → Kathleen Turner. Douglas and Turner's onscreen chemistry in the Romancing the Stone era is called Han Solo and Leia level.
“their chemistry is on some Han Solo Princess Leia type shit.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:25:26 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Victor Miller → Friday the 13th. Miller wanted to flip motherhood on its head with a female killer and said Jason was dead the whole time, a victim not a villain.
“Said Jason was dead from the very beginning.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:27:23 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
people (people): Victor Miller → Boogie Nights. A joke that Miller wrote a Halloween ripoff, not Boogie Nights, so he should settle down about Jason being the killer.
“You didn't just write boogie nights.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:27:32 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
career (career): Kevin Bacon → Friday the 13th. Bacon says he signs more screenshots from Friday the 13th than from any of his other movies.
“Then Kevin Bacon apparently claims that he gets asked to sign screenshots from his destine in this movie more than all his other movies.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:28:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
theme (theme): Friday the 13th → Ordinary People. 1980 was also a big drowning year in the movies.
“Big drowning year.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:30:26 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
programming (programming): Friday the 13th → Meatballs. Summer-camp movies and Halloween ripoffs are named as categories Friday belongs to.
“Halloween ripoff movies, this definitely.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:30:35 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Sleepaway Camp. Sleepaway Camp offered as a counterexample when arguing the dumbest kids in horror.
“I think Sleepway Camp and like there's a couple like really...”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:31:38 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
career (career): Tom Savini → George A. Romero. Savini, the makeup and special effects artist, is placed as someone who worked with Romero.
“like he worked with Romero.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:37:15 · unidentified host (Rewatchables panel) (0.30 sure it was them)
career (career): Tom Savini → From Dusk Till Dawn. After legendary makeup and effects work, Savini turned up as a character actor in From Dusk Till Dawn.
“He's uh, he's a legendary makeup and special effects guy and then he's, he's in uh, from Dust Till Dawn, kind of a character actor.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:37:16 · unidentified host (Rewatchables panel) (0.30 sure it was them)
programming (programming): Friday the 13th → A Nightmare on Elm Street. Double-feature pick: Nightmare on Elm Street 2, called a nice bookend for this one.
“I went Nightmare on Elm Street too, which is an underrated nightmare on Elm Street.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:40:21 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Craig finds it hard to come off Chain Saw and Sally to this film's final girl.
“It's hard to come off of Texas Chainsaw.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:42:21 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
contrast (contrast): Friday the 13th → Hellraiser. Hellraiser flirted with relevance but, unlike Friday, did not stand the test of time despite the rental era.
“It didn't stand a test of time, but like in the going to the movie to rent movies era”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:43:46 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
programming (programming): Friday the 13th → Friday the 13th. Because it was available on multiple streaming services, Friday lived on in a way Hellraiser and Leprechaun did not.
“Friday, probably because of its availability on like multiple streaming services, I think, has just kind of lived on.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:43:55 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

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fun, about Friday the 13th: The 32-second TV spot showed every murder and gave away the whole film, and scared a ten-year-old Bill when it came on late at night.
“It's a 32nd ad and they show every dead person.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:07:53 · unknown (0.50 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Bill's mother and stepfather-to-be saw it in a Stamford theater; when Jason rose from the lake a man screamed 'get the fuck out' and ran up the aisle.
“this guy in front of them, stood up, screamed, get the fuck out, and started running out of the theater.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:08:26 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)
fun, about Sean S. Cunningham: He ran an ad in Variety for a movie that did not exist yet, and got it funded.
“put an ad in variety, in the next summer, saying, hey, I'm going to make this movie called Friday the 13th, does anyone want to fund it?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:50 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Roughly 600K to make; Paramount bought it and sold it with a 32-second spot; it grossed nearly 60 million and ranked 18th of 1980.
“The movie made almost $60000000”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:21:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Roger Ebert: Ebert and Siskel hated it so much that he gave away the ending, printed Paramount's address for letters, and teased Betsy Palmer's home town.
“he hated it so much that he intentionally gave away the ending in the 2nd paragraph.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:25:46 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Roger Ebert: A YouTube compilation of Siskel and Ebert raging at every Friday film; likened to Zach Lowe deciding 3-pointers would ruin the NBA.
“there's an amazing compilation on YouTube of all of their Friday the 13th reviews across the franchise.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:27:12 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Pamela as the greatest athlete: she throws a body through a window and has killed since 1958, like Derrick Henry she improves with age.
“She's like, essentially Derek Henry.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:39:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Betsy Palmer: Pamela is hailed as a versatile killer who throws a body through a window and never gets blood on her blue sweater.
“She's a versatile killer.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:39:30 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Betsy Palmer: Alice vs Pamela scored as a UFC fight, with Alice winning rounds on shin kicks and a frying pan.
“She loses this UFC fight.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:41:29 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: The sex-obsessed strip Monopoly scene: a long game, and the guy surely stalling, and 'he definitely had threesome ideas'.
“I think he definitely had threesome ideas.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:56:58 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Jack and Marcy by the lake: the dream speech about rain turning to blood and Jack's only reaction is to go inside; this is what 'dudes were like before ESPN'.
“Not one thing.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:58:13 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Harry Manfredini: The score's 'ki ki ki, ma ma ma' was misheard for 46 years as 'choo choo, ha ha'.
“I thought it was choo choo, ha, ha.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:59:12 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Original title was 'A Long Night at Camp Blood'; one host proposes calling the film Camp Blood and keeping Friday as a separate gimmick.
“It was originally called A Long Night at Camp Blood for the screenplay.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:05:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Dark look explained: they had so little money they did not have enough light.
“They had so little money that they didn't have enough light, and that's why this movie is so dark.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:09:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Brenda's off-screen kill at the archery range looks like an edit; they could show the kill or the aftermath, not both.
“we can either show the aftermath of a kill, but we can't show both the kill and the aftermath.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:10:27 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Adrienne King: A real live snake was killed on set; King said in Crystal Lake Memories the snake's owner stood by with tears running down his cheeks.
“Adrian King said in the book, Crystal Lake Memories, that the owner of the snake was standing off on the side, tears running down his cheeks.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:11:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Adrienne King: After the film King was stalked, living in fear for a year and a half, and effectively stopped acting.
“She basically stopped acting.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:12:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Hot take: the movie needed a dad; Betsy Palmer built a backstory in which Jason Sr. wanted to move away.
“This movie needed a dad.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:17:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Betsy Palmer: Palmer took Pamela because she needed a new car: $1,000 a day for 10 days, thought it was junk.
“Palmer agreed because she needed a new car.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:18:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: No black people in the film: Van's flex, with a top-5 that includes The Big Chill, Grease, Good Will Hunting and Jackass.
“0 black people.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:19:29 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
fun, about Lou Reed: Lou Reed lived next to the camp location and gave the cast a free show; they did not know who he was.
“Lou Reed.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:26:54 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: The filming happened at a Boy Scout camp in Warren County, New Jersey.
“Fred 13th shot in Warren County, New Jersey.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:27:35 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Palmer slapped King during rehearsal and King cried, and had to be taught to fake a hit.
“Palmer slapped King in the face during the rehearsal”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:27:51 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Harry Crosby: Bing Crosby's son got fake blood in his eye from the arrow gag and briefly lost his sight.
“Briefly lost the sight.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:28:17 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
fun, about Kevin Bacon: Bacon reportedly signs more screenshots from this film than any other of his movies.
“Then Kevin Bacon apparently claims that he gets asked to sign screenshots”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:28:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Robbi Morgan: The actor who plays the hitchhiker has been married to Mark L. Wahlberg of Temptation Island since 1987.
“She's been married to Mark Lewis Wahlberg.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:28:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Hosts spoof Stephen A. Smith threatening Jason Voorhees in a media beef.
“So Stephen A and Jason Voorhees are in a media beef.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:36:23 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Kid Jason is 'bulking season' for adult Jason: the dream-or-not question and the 22 or 23 years between death and Part 2.
“So Kid Jason in part two.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:39:00 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
fun, about Friday the 13th: Craig gives it a 4 or 5 and the final canoe scene bumps it up two points.
“I'd give it like a 4 or 5 and then that scene at the end is genuinely great and bumps it up 2 points.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:42:32 · Craig Horlbeck (0.60 sure it was them)

Who's talking

Bill Simmons (host): Loves the Friday series as a communal, rental-era memory and tells childhood stories about the ads and theaters. Likes casting what-ifs and sports analogies for everything. Skeptical of horror at Christmas and of anything that wastes the premise.
Chris Ryan (host): A franchise and genre scholar who likes Jason, the early sequels, and Manhattan; attention to trivia, tropes and critic reception. Treats slashers as a canon with tiers.
Van Lathan (host): Enjoys the series for its sleaze, hang value and cheesy lines. Roots for Black-cast-free sendups and loves a flex category. Gravitates to Freddy and likes Kevin Bacon.
Craig Horlbeck (guest): First-time viewer of the series; expected Jason and was thrown by Mrs. Voorhees. Rates the film a 4 or 5 and singled out the canoe ending as the best scene. Prefers the Chain Saw's intensity.

The show's recurring bits

Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.

Names the transcriber got wrong

'Cisco' = Siskel (Gene Siskel)
'Adrian King' = Adrienne King
'Stanford, Connecticut' = Stamford
'Pleasance' = Donald Pleasence
'Michael Kane' = Michael Caine
'Manchurian, Canada' = The Manchurian Candidate
'Leatherhead' = Leatherface
'Fred 13th' = Friday the 13th
'Camel' (Alice) is probably 'Alice'
'in the stone' = Romancing the Stone
'Sierra'/'Ciara' = likely Chris Ryan (CR)
'Noby Bosco' = Camp No-Be-Bo-Sco
'Kiki' = ki ki ki ma ma ma
'Ben Lathan' = Van Lathan
'Dust Till Dawn' = From Dusk Till Dawn
'Robbie Morgan' = Robbi Morgan