Halloween (1978)
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Wikidata Q221103, film, IMDb tt0077651, TMDB 948: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Jamie Lee Curtis as actor (Lori Strode) (‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan); 5 more episodes agree.
The shows' “Halloween” is more than one work, told apart episode by episode: this one in 13 episodes; Halloween (2018) in 1 episode.
What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.
In the store as #203, Halloween (1978).
The Rewatchables' awards
Picked in other episodes
- Double feature (pick) for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974): To compare and contrast how much Halloween borrowed from Chainsaw. unknown · 1:31:20
Who talked about it
Blank Check — Patreon
- Unattributed: 3 lines, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
The Big Picture
- Sean Fennessey: 2 lines in The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun!
- Unattributed: 1 line, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
The Rewatchables
- Bill Simmons: 5 lines in ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
- Chris Ryan: 1 line in ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
- Unattributed: 11 lines, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
Came from
What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: 2 lines the host's read ×2
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programming (double feature):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre ⇒ Halloween (the host's read).
Bill pairs it with Halloween to compare how much Halloween cribbed from Chainsaw.
“I went Halloween just to compare and contrast like how much Halloween, crib done, chainsaw, all that stuff.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:31:20 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
Led to
What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.
Friday the 13th: 1 line the host's read ×1
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lineage (lineage):
Halloween ⇒ Friday the 13th (the host's read).
Friday the 13th was an openly shameless Halloween ripoff, built on Halloween's success.
“We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:45 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
Sean S. Cunningham: 1 line the host's read ×1
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industry (industry):
Halloween ⇒ Sean S. Cunningham (the host's read).
Cunningham saw Halloween succeed, took out a trade ad for a non-existent movie, and found his funding.
“The producer, Sean Cunningham, saw Halloween was successful, came up with this idea, put an ad in variety”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:50 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
Connected to
Friday the 13th: 9 lines theme ×2 lineage ×2 industry ×2 contrast ×2 verdict ×1
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lineage (lineage):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Friday the 13th was an openly shameless Halloween ripoff, built on Halloween's success.
“We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:45 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: 3 lines lineage ×1 craft ×1 programming ×1
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programming (double feature):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre → Halloween.
Bill pairs it with Halloween to compare how much Halloween cribbed from Chainsaw.
“I went Halloween just to compare and contrast like how much Halloween, crib done, chainsaw, all that stuff.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:31:20 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
After Hours: 1 line craft ×1
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craft (shared device):
After Hours → Halloween.
Bill compares the interrupted never-finished story to Loomis and the undertaker in Halloween.
“Loomis is looking for Myris's grave, and the undertaker is telling this long story.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:43:42 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
Blue Steel: 1 line lineage ×1
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lineage (lineage):
Blue Steel → Halloween.
Calls Blue Steel a slasher with Ron Silver as Michael Myers and cites Ebert calling it the best Halloween sequel.
“I read back to Roger Ebert's review, and he said, this is actually the best Halloween sequel that's ever been made.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:05:23 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
Carol Clover: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (theory):
Halloween → Carol Clover.
Laurie Strode is the signature final girl of Clover's tradition.
“and Lori Strode being the signature.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 0:46:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
Gunnar Hansen: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (no backstory):
Gunnar Hansen → Halloween.
Leatherface is favored over Myers and Jason because he gets no origin story and is at once realistic and inexplicable.
“he's at once the most realistic and human, but is also the least explicable”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:09:34 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
John Carpenter: 1 line people ×1
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people (people):
John Carpenter → Halloween.
Carpenter told the speaker he did not know what a 'final girl' was, until told it came from a Carol Clover essay.
“I don't know what that is.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 1:01:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
Marilyn Burns: 1 line verdict ×1
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verdict (final girl ranking):
Marilyn Burns → Halloween.
Lori Strode is the more iconic final girl by body of work, and Ripley is up there; Sally is the underrated one.
“I think Lori's a more iconic final girl, ultimately.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:14:19 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
Panic Room: 1 line contrast ×1
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contrast (contrast):
Panic Room → Halloween.
Michael Myers energy joke: Foster gets up fresh after falling down two flights of stairs.
“So Michael Myers energy going on there.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:29:35 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
Ron Silver: 1 line lineage ×1
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lineage (lineage):
Ron Silver → Halloween.
Ron Silver's killer becomes Michael Myers by the end.
“Ron Silver becomes Michael Myers by the end.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:05:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Sean S. Cunningham: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (industry):
Sean S. Cunningham → Halloween.
Cunningham saw Halloween succeed, took out a trade ad for a non-existent movie, and found his funding.
“The producer, Sean Cunningham, saw Halloween was successful, came up with this idea, put an ad in variety”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:50 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma: 1 line contrast ×1
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contrast (contrast):
Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma → Halloween.
It could sit between Scary Movie and Halloween in theory but generates a different feeling.
“In theory this movie lives in between those two, but it doesn't at all.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 0:07:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
The Shining: 1 line industry ×1
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industry (release timing):
Halloween → The Shining.
The Shining arrives two years after Halloween rewrote the rules of killing everyone.
“But yeah, this movie is 2 years after Halloween”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:04:26 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
Where it came up
- passing in Blank Check with Griffin & David · Starman with Katey Rich, first at 0:09:17, 3 times
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan, first at 0:05:39, 31 times
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan, first at 0:02:31, 10 times
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey, first at 0:43:42, 1 time
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘Beverly Hills Cop II’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan, first at 0:10:27, 1 time
- compared in The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey, first at 1:29:35, 2 times
- passing in The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan, first at 0:56:45, 1 time
- passing in The Big Picture · ‘Resident Evil’ Absolutely Rips!, first at 0:37:45, 1 time
- compared in The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun!, first at 0:03:09, 7 times
- compared in The Big Picture · The Top 10 Fantasy Films, The Toy Movie Hall of Fame, and ‘Masters of the Universe,’ with Griffin Newman!, first at 0:17:13, 2 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free), first at 0:06:09, 2 times
- compared in Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free), first at 0:04:26, 8 times
- compared in Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free), first at 0:05:23, 7 times
What was said about it, by kind
contrast (4)
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contrast (contrast):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Myers has no motive; Friday has a revenge motive from the drowned boy.
“It's just the lights are on and nobody's home with this dude.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:28:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
contrast (contrast):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Alice's closing fight is compared with Jamie Lee Curtis dropping the knife, the genre's worst mistake.
“I mean, the worst ever was Jamie Lee Curtis, the Halloween one.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:42:31 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
contrast (contrast):
Panic Room → Halloween.
Michael Myers energy joke: Foster gets up fresh after falling down two flights of stairs.
“So Michael Myers energy going on there.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:29:35 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them) -
contrast (contrast):
Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma → Halloween.
It could sit between Scary Movie and Halloween in theory but generates a different feeling.
“In theory this movie lives in between those two, but it doesn't at all.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 0:07:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
craft (2)
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craft (last shot):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre → Halloween.
Chainsaw's last shot is an all-time ending, rivaled only by Halloween's empty Myers shots; Chainsaw is judged better.
“It's an all-time greatest last shot other than possibly Halloween, Myers not being there at the end.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:44:34 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them) -
craft (shared device):
After Hours → Halloween.
Bill compares the interrupted never-finished story to Loomis and the undertaker in Halloween.
“Loomis is looking for Myris's grave, and the undertaker is telling this long story.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:43:42 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
industry (4)
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industry (industry):
Sean S. Cunningham → Halloween.
Cunningham saw Halloween succeed, took out a trade ad for a non-existent movie, and found his funding.
“The producer, Sean Cunningham, saw Halloween was successful, came up with this idea, put an ad in variety”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:50 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them) -
industry (industry):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Cunningham gets credit for seeing the repeatability of the gimmick and committing to a movie a year.
“He gets credit, I think, for realizing the repeatability of the gimmick, right?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:32 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
industry (industry):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Both original films were meant to be one-offs; the sequel idea was an anthology of scary dates before Jason took over.
“what they had thought was maybe we could make this like an anthology”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:19:04 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
industry (release timing):
Halloween → The Shining.
The Shining arrives two years after Halloween rewrote the rules of killing everyone.
“But yeah, this movie is 2 years after Halloween”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Shining with Timothy Simons (Ad-Free) · 0:04:26 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
lineage (5)
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lineage (lineage):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Friday the 13th was an openly shameless Halloween ripoff, built on Halloween's success.
“We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:45 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Crazy Ralph, the outsider who is right about the danger, is compared to Donald Pleasence in Halloween.
“Do you consider Donald Pleasance that in Halloween?”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:47:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
lineage (ancestor):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre → Halloween.
Halloween felt like it invented modern horror, but on rewatch Chainsaw is the real ground zero.
“whenever I watch Chainsaw, I'm like, no, actually this is ground zero.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:03:01 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage):
Ron Silver → Halloween.
Ron Silver's killer becomes Michael Myers by the end.
“Ron Silver becomes Michael Myers by the end.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:05:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
lineage (lineage):
Blue Steel → Halloween.
Calls Blue Steel a slasher with Ron Silver as Michael Myers and cites Ebert calling it the best Halloween sequel.
“I read back to Roger Ebert's review, and he said, this is actually the best Halloween sequel that's ever been made.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:05:23 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
people (1)
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people (people):
John Carpenter → Halloween.
Carpenter told the speaker he did not know what a 'final girl' was, until told it came from a Carol Clover essay.
“I don't know what that is.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 1:01:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
programming (1)
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programming (double feature):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre → Halloween.
Bill pairs it with Halloween to compare how much Halloween cribbed from Chainsaw.
“I went Halloween just to compare and contrast like how much Halloween, crib done, chainsaw, all that stuff.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:31:20 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
theme (2)
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theme (theme):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
The holiday-dread gimmick (Halloween, Friday the 13th) was seen as a repeatable hook; other date horror films failed to pay off the premise.
“Didn't work with some other versions of it.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:06:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
theme (theme):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Jason as unkillable mindless villain is likened to Thanos; Jason is a franchise villain the way Myers and Freddy are.
“Jason becomes this mindless, almost like super villain, like Thanos”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:11:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
unmapped (2)
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unmapped (no backstory):
Gunnar Hansen → Halloween.
Leatherface is favored over Myers and Jason because he gets no origin story and is at once realistic and inexplicable.
“he's at once the most realistic and human, but is also the least explicable”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:09:34 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (theory):
Halloween → Carol Clover.
Laurie Strode is the signature final girl of Clover's tradition.
“and Lori Strode being the signature.”
The Big Picture · The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun! · 0:46:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
verdict (2)
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verdict (verdict):
Friday the 13th → Halloween.
Manfredini's score is nearly as good as Halloween's piano theme, which wins gold with this as silver.
“No, he the Halloween wins the gold for like...”
The Rewatchables · ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:59:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them) -
verdict (final girl ranking):
Marilyn Burns → Halloween.
Lori Strode is the more iconic final girl by body of work, and Ripley is up there; Sally is the underrated one.
“I think Lori's a more iconic final girl, ultimately.”
The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:14:19 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
Fun items about it
None.
Who the speakers said made it
As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.
- Jamie Lee Curtis: actor (Lori Strode) (The Rewatchables, ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan)
- Jamie Lee Curtis: actor (Laurie Strode, dropped the knife) (The Rewatchables, ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan)
- Jamie Lee Curtis: actor (Blank Check — Patreon, Blue Steel with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free))
- John Carpenter: director (Blank Check with Griffin & David, Starman with Katey Rich)
- John Carpenter: director interviewed about 'final girl' (The Big Picture, The Final Girl Film Canon and ‘Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma’ With Gillian Anderson, Hannah Einbinder, and Jane Schoenbrun!)
- Alex Ross Perry: guest on Blank Check's Halloween episode (The Big Picture, The Top 10 Fantasy Films, The Toy Movie Hall of Fame, and ‘Masters of the Universe,’ with Griffin Newman!)
- Donald Pleasence: actor (Loomis) (The Rewatchables, ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan)
- Donald Pleasence: actor (Dr. Loomis) (The Rewatchables, ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan)
- Karen Allen: actor, comparison for Alice and Annie (The Rewatchables, ‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan)
- Dean Cundy: cinematographer (not on Starman) (Blank Check with Griffin & David, Starman with Katey Rich)