Tombstone (1993)

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Wikidata Q1420651, film, IMDb tt0108358, TMDB 11969: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Kurt Russell as actor (‘Miracle’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan); 2 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan (2018-12-24):

Most rewatchable scene

  1. floated Wyatt Earp confronting Billy Bob Thornton's Johnny Tyler in the saloon, near the beginning
    “Wide Earp, confronting heavier Billy Bob Thornton.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:21:21
  2. floated The first O.K. Corral shootout, Wyatt's 'hell's coming with me' speech
    “The 1st okay corral shootout.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:22:08
  3. floated The creek shootout, Wyatt walking on water
    “The creek shootout, which was Kurt Russell's, uh, his take on what Larry Bird did in the 87 playoffs.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:22:32
  4. floated Doc Holliday versus Johnny Ringo, the finale duel
    “And then uh, and then Kilmer versus Michael Bean.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:22:42
  5. floated The 'turn your head into a canoe' scene after Ben Johnson is killed, with Doc showing up
    “turn your head into a canoe scene.”
    unknown · 0:22:52
  6. floated Doc Holliday's first 'I'm your Huckleberry' in the saloon, facing a drunk Ringo
    “I like that that 1st time Val Kilmer's character says, I'm your Huckleberry, where Bean is drunk and some of his buddies have already been killed and he's trying to challenge Earp, and then Doc comes from behind the shadows of the saloon and like, you know, delivers that famous line for the 1st time.”
    unknown · 0:23:13
  7. pick The 'Hell's coming with me' scene and the killing montage after it
    “My favorite scene is The Hell's Coming with Me scene and then the killing montage.”
    unknown · 0:25:31
  8. pick The opening arrival off the train, the brothers and the three women looking at each other in the mirror
    “I think the scene at the very beginning when they 1st get off the train and the 6 of them are looking at each other in the mirror.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:25:40
  9. pick Wyatt on his horse pretending to leave after Bill Paxton dies, then spotting Powers Boothe, the run into the creek
    “I, uh, from a rewatchable standpoint, if you're flipping channels and it's, and Kurt Russell is after Bill Paxton dies and Kurt Russell's on his horse pretending to leave and he sees Powers Booth.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:26:03
  10. pick The Billy Bob Thornton saloon scene
    “My favorite is Billy Bob.”
    unknown · 0:26:32

Ebert review · The hosts read what Roger Ebert wrote about the film.

  1. pick Tombstone: Three stars; he later regretted not fighting harder for it, calling it lost in the year-end holiday shuffle.
    “Roger Ebert, in his review of Kurt Russell's Dark Blue, said, every time I see Russell or Val Kilmer in a row,”
    unknown · 0:15:37

Age the worst · What has aged the worst about the movie.

  1. pick The 135-minute runtime: About 20 minutes could have been cut.
    “135 minutes.”
    unknown · 0:26:52
  2. pick The 12-minute theater sequence: Too long, though it gets defended as establishing Priestley's character and the town.
    “Don't know if we needed the theater scene.”
    unknown · 0:26:58
  3. pick The picnic scene: Romantic-connection scenes nobody came to Tombstone for.
    “I thought that their picnic scene sucked.”
    unknown · 0:29:42
  4. pick Bill Paxton's death scene: Feels dated.
    “Bill Paxton's death scene is really bad.”
    unknown · 0:30:09

Age the best · What has aged the best about the movie.

  1. pick The real mustaches
    “Well, the mustaches.”
    unknown · 0:30:24
  2. pick The crazy loaded cast
    “Crazy loaded cast we talked about.”
    unknown · 0:31:24
  3. pick Dana Delany as Josephine: A good career that felt like it should have been bigger.
    “I just love Dana Delaney.”
    unknown · 0:31:27
  4. pick The 1880s Wild West world-building
    “I thought the 1880s Wild Wild West age really well.”
    unknown · 0:33:40
  5. pick The closing credits walking montage: Four minutes of close-ups, unintentionally funny but kind of cool.
    “The closing credits age the best for me.”
    unknown · 0:35:02
  6. pick Val Kilmer: That whole era of Kilmer, through Heat.
    “I just enjoy that era of Val Comer.”
    unknown · 0:35:32
  7. pick The tuberculosis vaccine: A joke pick.
    “Another what's age the best tuberculosis vaccine?”
    unknown · 0:39:23
  8. pick Joanna Pacula: Wondering why she was not a bigger star.
    “Joanna Pacula, Pacula, Pacula.”
    unknown · 0:40:02
  9. pick Billy Bob Thornton
    “Billy Bob Thornton.”
    unknown · 0:41:17

Casting what ifs · Who was nearly cast in the film.

  1. pick Richard Gere / Willem Dafoe as Wyatt Earp / Doc Holliday: Kurt Russell said the film was nearly cast with Gere and Dafoe, but Buena Vista balked at Dafoe after Last Temptation.
    “Kurt Russell said the film was nearly cast with Richard Gere as Wyatt Earp and William de Willem Defoe as Doc Holiday.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:41:26
  2. pick Mickey Rourke as Johnny Ringo: He turned it down; the group thinks it might have been one too many cooks.
    “Mickey Rourke was almost cast as Johnny Ringo and turned it down.”
    unknown · 0:41:50

Dion Waiters Award · Small role, big impact.

  1. winner Stephen Lang: Reportedly drunk throughout, and out of control in every scene.
    “I think it's Stephen Lake.”
    unknown · 0:44:01
  2. nominee Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo: Bill doubted he is in it quite enough; another host argued he is too big a part to qualify.
    “Michael Bean, I feel like he's not in it quite enough, so he qualifies.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:42:25
  3. nominee Billy Bob Thornton: Gets a lot out of about four scenes.
    “And then obviously Billy Bob.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:42:29

Apex Mountain · Where a star's career peak sits.

  1. nominee Kurt Russell as Tombstone: Argued as his LeBron 2018 Finals, getting the movie financed.
    “This, to me, is more like a LeBron, the 2018 finals for Kurt Russell.”
    unknown · 0:46:41
  2. nominee Kurt Russell as Tango and Cash: The end of the 80s, an A-list star after Tequila Sunrise; the case is that it opened Backdraft and Tombstone.
    “I'm going controversial, Tango and Cash.”
    unknown · 0:46:48
  3. winner Kurt Russell as 1982-83: The Thing, Silkwood: Nominated for the Oscar for Silkwood; the group conceded the point.
    “He was nominated for best supporting actor, four, Silkwood, which is why it's his Apex Mountain around the thing.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:48:08
  4. nominee Val Kilmer as Heat: De Niro's wingman in the biggest movie of the mid 90s.
    “I'm going heat.”
    unknown · 0:49:39
  5. nominee Val Kilmer as Top Gun: Offered, then rejected as a Cruise movie.
    “I would imagine that Top Gun is his Apex Mountain”
    unknown · 0:49:18
  6. nominee Val Kilmer as The Doors: A personal apex.
    “I mean, for me, my personal apex with him is the Doors because I thought he was out of control in that movie.”
    unknown · 0:50:24
  7. winner Jason Priestley: At the height of 90210 and in a movie with Russell and Kilmer.
    “1000% apex amount for Priestley.”
    unknown · 0:51:24
  8. pick Dana Delany as China Beach era
    “Dana Delaney, I feel like it's got to be when she was on China Beach, which I think was still was gone at this point.”
    unknown · 0:52:07
  9. pick George Cosmatos as ghost director: Offered as the only other Apex Mountain in the movie.
    “I don't really have any other Apex Mountains other than George Cosmatos, ghost director.”
    unknown · 0:52:14
  10. pick Bill Paxton: Not a Mount Rushmore Paxton performance; the question is whether it is his sweet spot.
    “I don't think that this is a Mount Rushmore Paxton performance.”
    unknown · 0:52:37

Joey Pants Award · The best 'hey, it's that guy' in the movie.

  1. winner Dana Wheeler-Nicholson as Maddie: The girl from Fletch; the winner because the narrator tells us she died of a drug overdose.
    “She's my Joey Pants winner because at the end, they just casually tell us she died of a drug over.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:56:43
  2. nominee Stephen Lang: Most people could not recognize him with the beard and mud.
    “I still don't feel like most people know who Stephen Lang is or could recognize him.”
    unknown · 0:55:15

Saul Rubinek Award · The best overacting in the movie; an award, not a demerit.

  1. winner Dana Wheeler-Nicholson as Maddie: Sean agreed as tiebreaker; Chris objected that Powers Boothe is in the movie.
    “That leads us to the Saul Rubenek.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:57:39
  2. winner Dana Wheeler-Nicholson as Maddie
    “It's Dana Wheeler Nicholson.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:58:01
  3. nominee Powers Boothe: Wears a sash and sachets around town.
    “Powers Booth.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:57:58
  4. nominee Billy Zane: Overacts in every movie; a melodramatic actor is the point of his character.
    “I think Billy Zane overacts in every movie and I just don't think he's good.”
    unknown · 0:59:03
  5. nominee Sam Elliott: Overdoing the Western thing.
    “You could actually make an argument in a different kind of way that Sam Elliott is overdoing the Western thing.”
    unknown · 0:59:24
  6. nominee Robert Mitchum as the narrator: Floated as the unnecessary narrator.
    “Is it possible that it's Robert Mitchum as the completely unnecessary narrator?”
    unknown · 0:59:36

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a film they love.

  1. pick The unnecessary narrator
    “Why do we need a narrator?”
    unknown · 0:59:50
  2. pick Maddie's drug overdose and its lack of payoff
    “Maddie dying of a drug overdose.”
    unknown · 1:00:01
  3. pick No great poker scene: Wyatt versus Powers Boothe and Kilmer at the table was a wasted opportunity.
    “It's really upsetting to me that they didn't have like an awesome poker scene in this movie.”
    unknown · 1:02:05
  4. pick Confusing edits, nighttime twice
    “There's a bunch of like weird edits where there's like, it's like nighttime twice, and it's like unclear whether it's the same day or not,”
    unknown · 1:03:13
  5. pick The killing after Doc kills Ringo, a lynch mob third act
    “Here's my biggest problem with the movie is after Doc Holiday kills Johnny Ringo, which is just an amazing scene.”
    unknown · 1:03:28

Best quotes · The best lines in the movie.

  1. pick I never saw a rich man that didn't have a guilty conscience
    “I never saw a rich man that didn't have guilty conscience.”
    unknown · 1:04:20
  2. pick I don't think I'll let you arrest us today, Behan
    “I don't think I'll let you arrest us today, Beehan.”
    unknown · 1:04:28
  3. pick It's not revenge he's after, it's a reckoning
    “It's a reckoning.”
    unknown · 1:04:36
  4. pick Doc: 'Wyatt, why are you doing this?' / 'I got lots of friends'
    “Yeah, well, I got lots of friends.”
    unknown · 1:04:56
  5. pick John, I apologize. I forgot you were there. You may go now.
    “You may go now.”
    unknown · 1:05:11
  6. pick I'm your Huckleberry
    “I'm your Huckleberry.”
    unknown · 1:05:16

Unanswered questions · Questions the movie leaves open.

  1. pick Does Kevin Costner make this movie better or worse?: Consensus: it does not work without Russell, and Costner was too famous and in his own head.
    “Probably unanswerable questions.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:05:20
  2. pick Would you watch a reconstructed 'Western Godfather' Tombstone?: The hosts doubt it would work, and like the messy flaws of the version that exists.
    “Um, would you would you want to watch a movie that were a reconstructed tombstone that they tried to make as the Western Godfather?”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:06:57

Who won the movie · Who came out on top of the movie.

  1. winner Kurt Russell: Star, finished the film, took ownership of making it so good.
    “I think you got to say Carusell, because not only is he the star, and it's one of his best movies, but in the aftermath of this whole thing,”
    unknown · 1:12:33
  2. winner Val Kilmer: Russell is why it got made; Kilmer is why we remember it.
    “Kilmer's the reason we remember it.”
    unknown · 1:12:49
  3. winner Val Kilmer: Russell wins it spiritually, Kilmer wins watching the movie itself.
    “I think Kurt Russell wins it spiritually for keeping a lot keeping it alive, but I think Val Kilmer wins the movie.”
    unknown · 1:13:15

What would evil Wilford Brimley have done · A new, joke category: what evil Wilford Brimley would have done in the movie.

  1. pick Maddie's laudanum bottle at the end: A running joke; no real answers.
    “It's like, Maddie, at the end of that bottle, you know what's just going to find? Hardache, hardache.”
    unknown · 1:14:37

Who talked about it

The Rewatchables

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

The Godfather: 2 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Godfather ⇒ Tombstone (the maker said so: Russell, in his True West magazine interview). Russell's intended tone was a Western Godfather; Jarre's version was more elegant.
    “Well, Russell says it, it was basically the godfather of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

John Ford: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): John Ford ⇒ Tombstone (the host's read). Contrast: Ford Westerns vs gnarly, vulgar Tombstone.
    “bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Three Amigos: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Three Amigos ⇒ Tombstone (the host's read). The wedding-execution opening resembles the Three Amigos setup.
    “this movie's after the 3 amigos, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:23 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Deadwood: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone ⇒ Deadwood (the host's read). Tombstone as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood.
    “I tend to think of this movie as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Connected to

Cobra: 2 lines craft ×2

  1. craft (craft): Tombstone → Cobra. The film's intense indiscriminate killing is the Cosmatos effect, like Cobra.
    “It's like, it basically turns into cobra for 5 minutes.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Kurt Russell: 2 lines verdict ×2

  1. verdict (apex): Kurt Russell → Tombstone. Russell's peak juice is Tombstone, which he effectively directed.
    “Tombstone, which I think is actually his apex.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Miracle’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:58:43 · Bill Simmons (0.55 sure it was them)

The Godfather: 2 lines craft ×2

  1. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. The Oriental faro takeover shows the Godfather-like business side Russell wanted.
    “You could see the godfather thing that Russell's talking about when he moves into Tombstone and immediately takes over the Faro game at the Oriental.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:55 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Val Kilmer: 2 lines craft ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. The other actors recognize Kilmer's performance and change theirs, becoming more buttoned down.
    “they change their performances to elevate his because nobody's really behaving quite in the same way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Wyatt Earp: 2 lines contrast ×1 programming ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Tombstone → Wyatt Earp. Costner left Tombstone over its focus, then made the competing Wyatt Earp, which arrived months later.
    “He believed the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in the script.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:04:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

Apocalypse Now: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → Apocalypse Now. Director's cut/reconstruction era examples like the chronological Godfather.
    “There was the Apocalypse Now director's cut.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:07:16 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Buena Vista: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → Buena Vista. Buena Vista held the film and had casting say.
    “Buena Vista, which was a subsidiary of Disney”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:07:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Dana Delany: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Dana Delany → Tombstone. Delany's Josephine is a fiercely independent woman, woke for the Old West.
    “This movie is like weirdly woke about the woman's place in the Old West.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:29:19 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Deadwood: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Deadwood. Tombstone as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood.
    “I tend to think of this movie as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Gene Siskel: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Gene Siskel → Tombstone. Siskel gave it a thumbs down.
    “By the way, Cisco Cisco thumbs downed it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:34 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

In the Line of Fire: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → In the Line of Fire. Kilmer was robbed of an Oscar nomination in a stacked 1993 field.
    “I think that Malkovich is really good in the line of fire.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:38:25 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Jason Priestley: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Jason Priestley → Tombstone. Tombstone was Priestley's apex, a narrow high peak.
    “1000% apex amount for Priestley.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:51:24 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

John Ford: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → John Ford. Contrast: Ford Westerns vs gnarly, vulgar Tombstone.
    “bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Kevin Costner: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Kevin Costner → Tombstone. Costner was attached at first and bowed out over the script's focus.
    “Disagreed with Kevin Jari over the focus of the film.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:04:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

Kevin Jarre: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Kevin Jarre → Tombstone. Jarre shot only wide masters with no coverage, which got him fired.
    “He was like, if I start shooting closeups, they'll take away the movie from me.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:09:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Mickey Rourke: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Mickey Rourke → Tombstone. Rourke was nearly Johnny Ringo and turned it down.
    “Mickey Rourke was almost cast as Johnny Ringo and turned it down.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:41:50 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Rambo: First Blood Part II: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Tombstone → Rambo: First Blood Part II. The final-third killing spree reads like a Rambo thing.
    “It's totally a Rambo thing where it's like, why are you just killing everybody?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:29:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Richard Gere: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Richard Gere → Tombstone. Per Russell, Gere nearly played Wyatt Earp.
    “Kurt Russell said the film was nearly cast with Richard Gere as Wyatt Earp”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:41:26 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Roger Ebert: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → Tombstone. Ebert gave Tombstone three stars, called Kilmer the definitive saloon cowboy.
    “Singled out Valcomer's portrayal as the definitive saloon cowboy of our time.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:24 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Rounders: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Rounders. Ryan called Tombstone the Rounders of Westerns for rewatchability.
    “I was like, this movie is the Rounders of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:02:14 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Studio 54: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → Studio 54. Studio butchering as a movie someone wants to see restored.
    “Studio 54, how the studio completely fucked that movie up”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:08:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.30 sure it was them)

The Other Side of the Wind: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → The Other Side of the Wind. Warning about reconstructing lost cuts: Welles film is a document, not a great movie.
    “I think the other side of the wind is like an amazing document, is not an amazing movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:08:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Three Amigos: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Three Amigos. The wedding-execution opening resembles the Three Amigos setup.
    “this movie's after the 3 amigos, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:23 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Under Siege: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Under Siege. Part of the era of genre films that jump a level above their pitch.
    “It just winds up being like an action movie that's way better than it has any business being.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:13:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): Kevin Costner → Tombstone. Costner was attached at first and bowed out over the script's focus.
    “Disagreed with Kevin Jari over the focus of the film.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:04:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Dana Delany → Tombstone. Delany's Josephine is a fiercely independent woman, woke for the Old West.
    “This movie is like weirdly woke about the woman's place in the Old West.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:29:19 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Jason Priestley → Tombstone. Tombstone was Priestley's apex, a narrow high peak.
    “1000% apex amount for Priestley.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:51:24 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Tombstone → Wyatt Earp. Costner left Tombstone over its focus, then made the competing Wyatt Earp, which arrived months later.
    “He believed the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in the script.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:04:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

craft (7)

  1. craft (craft): Kevin Jarre → Tombstone. Jarre shot only wide masters with no coverage, which got him fired.
    “He was like, if I start shooting closeups, they'll take away the movie from me.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:09:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. Russell's intended tone was a Western Godfather; Jarre's version was more elegant.
    “Well, Russell says it, it was basically the godfather of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Tombstone → Cobra. The film's intense indiscriminate killing is the Cosmatos effect, like Cobra.
    “It's like, it basically turns into cobra for 5 minutes.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Tombstone → Rambo: First Blood Part II. The final-third killing spree reads like a Rambo thing.
    “It's totally a Rambo thing where it's like, why are you just killing everybody?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:29:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. The Oriental faro takeover shows the Godfather-like business side Russell wanted.
    “You could see the godfather thing that Russell's talking about when he moves into Tombstone and immediately takes over the Faro game at the Oriental.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:55 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. The other actors recognize Kilmer's performance and change theirs, becoming more buttoned down.
    “they change their performances to elevate his because nobody's really behaving quite in the same way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Tombstone → Cobra. The last third mirrors Cobra's final act: heroes killing everyone.
    “Cobra, the last 30 minutes was basically like this cult has lost its mind and they're just killing everybody.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:03:52 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (5)

  1. industry (industry): Tombstone → Buena Vista. Buena Vista held the film and had casting say.
    “Buena Vista, which was a subsidiary of Disney”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:07:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Tombstone → In the Line of Fire. Kilmer was robbed of an Oscar nomination in a stacked 1993 field.
    “I think that Malkovich is really good in the line of fire.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:38:25 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Tombstone → Apocalypse Now. Director's cut/reconstruction era examples like the chronological Godfather.
    “There was the Apocalypse Now director's cut.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:07:16 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Tombstone → The Other Side of the Wind. Warning about reconstructing lost cuts: Welles film is a document, not a great movie.
    “I think the other side of the wind is like an amazing document, is not an amazing movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:08:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Tombstone → Studio 54. Studio butchering as a movie someone wants to see restored.
    “Studio 54, how the studio completely fucked that movie up”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:08:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.30 sure it was them)

lineage (5)

  1. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Rounders. Ryan called Tombstone the Rounders of Westerns for rewatchability.
    “I was like, this movie is the Rounders of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:02:14 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Under Siege. Part of the era of genre films that jump a level above their pitch.
    “It just winds up being like an action movie that's way better than it has any business being.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:13:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Three Amigos. The wedding-execution opening resembles the Three Amigos setup.
    “this movie's after the 3 amigos, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:23 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → Deadwood. Tombstone as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood.
    “I tend to think of this movie as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Tombstone → John Ford. Contrast: Ford Westerns vs gnarly, vulgar Tombstone.
    “bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (programming): Wyatt Earp → Tombstone. Rival Earp films, the second to market lost ground; Tombstone came first.
    “It's almost like whichever one comes out 1st has such an advantage.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:05:54 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

verdict (5)

  1. verdict (apex): Kurt Russell → Tombstone. Russell's peak juice is Tombstone, which he effectively directed.
    “Tombstone, which I think is actually his apex.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Miracle’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:58:43 · Bill Simmons (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → Tombstone. Ebert gave Tombstone three stars, called Kilmer the definitive saloon cowboy.
    “Singled out Valcomer's portrayal as the definitive saloon cowboy of our time.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:24 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Gene Siskel → Tombstone. Siskel gave it a thumbs down.
    “By the way, Cisco Cisco thumbs downed it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:34 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. verdict (verdict): Kurt Russell → Tombstone. Final pick: Fennessey says Russell wins the movie; Ryan says Kilmer is why we remember it.
    “Russell is the reason it got made and finished.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:12:44 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. verdict (verdict): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. Winner: Kilmer is the best one in it.
    “I think Val Kilmer wins the movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:13:15 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): Richard Gere → Tombstone. Per Russell, Gere nearly played Wyatt Earp.
    “Kurt Russell said the film was nearly cast with Richard Gere as Wyatt Earp”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:41:26 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Mickey Rourke → Tombstone. Rourke was nearly Johnny Ringo and turned it down.
    “Mickey Rourke was almost cast as Johnny Ringo and turned it down.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:41:50 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Tombstone: Bill's quip that the cast is every white actor of 1993.
    “It's basically every white actor in 1993 except for like 2 guys.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:17:06 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Tombstone: Most rewatchable scene candidates: the 'Hell's coming with me' scene and killing montage, the creek shootout, and Kilmer vs Biehn.
    “That scene, followed by a montage of just them killing people.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:22:28 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Tombstone: The creek shootout compared to Larry Bird in the 87 playoffs.
    “Kurt Russell's, uh, his take on what Larry Bird did in the 87 playoffs.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:22:32 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Tombstone: The 12 minute theater sequence: cut, tone down or keep; Ryan argues it establishes Priestley and the town.
    “I think it accomplishes a couple of things that you need.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:27:17 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Tombstone: Mustaches: all real, hosts want hats and mustaches now.
    “Just magnificent. And they all they were all real.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:30:25 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Tombstone: The closing credits are four minutes of the cast walking in close-ups like a Vanity Fair shoot.
    “a vanity fair photo shoot almost.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:35:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Tombstone: Hosts wish for a faro-or-poker scene with Wyatt vs Powers Boothe instead of the theater.
    “It's really upsetting to me that they didn't have like an awesome poker scene in this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:02:05 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Tombstone: Kurt Russell says the footage could be rebuilt as the Western Godfather; he claims he found the hospital scene he wrote.
    “The movie is the Godfather or Western Godfather.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:06:23 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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