The Godfather (1972)

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Wikidata Q47703, film, IMDb tt0068646, TMDB 238: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Diane Keaton as actor (Kay) (‘Father of the Bride’ With Bill Simmons and Amanda Dobbins); 13 more episodes agree.

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In the store as #569, The Godfather (1972).

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Mario Puzo: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Mario Puzo ⇒ The Godfather (the host's read). Coppola cut huge sections of Puzo's novel, as Gray cut Grann's book.
    “even there, Francis took out huge sections of the book and made very interesting decisions.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:23:12 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Tombstone: 2 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Godfather ⇒ Tombstone (the maker said so: Russell, in his True West magazine interview). Russell's intended tone was a Western Godfather; Jarre's version was more elegant.
    “Well, Russell says it, it was basically the godfather of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

A Bronx Tale: 4 lines unmapped ×2 theme ×2

  1. unmapped (rewatchables cross-reference): A Bronx Tale → The Godfather. Godfather scene (Vito: whoever comes to you is the traitor) is Simmons' favorite and is referenced as covered in the Godfather pod.
    “my favorite scene the Godfather is when Vito's getting old.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:03:40 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Panic Room: 2 lines industry ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Panic Room → The Godfather. Rooting for a morally complicated figure (Whitaker) recalls No Country and The Godfather.
    “is it really that far afield from like no country for old men or the godfather”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:37 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)

Sicario: 2 lines verdict ×1 craft ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Sicario → The Godfather. Godfather beats Sicario for best dinner-scene assassination because it is the bigger, more important movie.
    “Godfather is just a bigger, more important movie.”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 0:25:17 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Thief: 2 lines contrast ×1 career ×1

  1. career (career): Thief → The Godfather. Godfather made Caan; Thief holds his best moment, better than any Godfather moment.
    “I think it's better than any godfather moment.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:25 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Tombstone: 2 lines craft ×2

  1. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. The Oriental faro takeover shows the Godfather-like business side Russell wanted.
    “You could see the godfather thing that Russell's talking about when he moves into Tombstone and immediately takes over the Faro game at the Oriental.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:55 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Cabaret: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (awards rivalry): Cabaret → The Godfather. Fosse beat Coppola for the best director Oscar for Cabaret while The Godfather won picture.
    “Francois Coppola in the Godfather, the guy we use as shorthand for directing a movie.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:50:55 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)

Father of the Bride: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (wedding movie exclusion / actor redemption): Father of the Bride → The Godfather. Simmons does not count The Godfather as a wedding movie, and says Keaton's performance here makes up for Kay Corleone.
    “I don't count the godfather as a wedding movie, even though the wedding is important.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Father of the Bride’ With Bill Simmons and Amanda Dobbins · 1:03:21 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)

Fletch: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (shared location): Fletch → The Godfather. Alan Stanwick's house is the same house as the horse-head scene in The Godfather.
    “The godfather, when Jack Waltz finds the horse head in his bed”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Fletch’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:00:32 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Frank Sinatra: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (inspiration dispute): Frank Sinatra → The Godfather. Sinatra was mad because Johnny Fontane resembled him and the From Here to Eternity role; Sean denies Fontane is a Sinatra replica.
    “Johnny Fontaine is not a replica of Frank Sinatra.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:12:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

John Hughes: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (analogy): John Hughes → The Godfather. Hughes's vindictiveness toward slighters is compared to Michael Corleone.
    “Hughes was weirdly vindictive for somebody who had such a, like that in like a dangerous Michael Corleone kind of way”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Ferris Bueller’s Day Off’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:00:16 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Mario Puzo: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Godfather → Mario Puzo. Coppola cut huge sections of Puzo's novel, as Gray cut Grann's book.
    “even there, Francis took out huge sections of the book and made very interesting decisions.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:23:12 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)

Old School: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (shared line): Old School → The Godfather. Old School features the characters calling Luke Wilson 'Godfather'; the host also notes the Godfather timeline.
    “Godfather. Godfather.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:04:59 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Robert Duvall: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (great-performance): Robert Duvall → The Godfather. Duvall's restrained Tom Hagen is held up as proof Oscars do not simply nominate him for everything.
    “Oh, Tom Hagen is one of my favorite characters ever.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 1:18:26 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Rocky: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Rocky → The Godfather. Structurally Rocky is like Godfather if it were all Michael and Kay's dates and the Don dies only in the last minutes; boxing barely appears until the last 13 minutes.
    “imagine if Godfather was entirely about Kate and Michael not in New York City.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:04:15 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Sterling Hayden: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (shared actor): Sterling Hayden → The Godfather. The speakers cite how Coppola uses Hayden in The Godfather.
    “how Coppola uses Sterling Hayden”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killing with Patton Oswalt (Ad-Free) · 0:31:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Talia Shire: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Talia Shire → The Godfather. Shire has three best-picture movies in five years: Godfather, Godfather 2 and Rocky.
    “Godfather one, Godfather 2 and Rocky.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:03:42 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (analogy): Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby → The Godfather. Reese Bobby is like Vito Corleone, a godfather figure who is in little of the movie but too important for the Dion Waiters award.
    “it's like in the Godfather, you know, Vito Corleone is not in the movie that much, but he can't be Dion Waiters.”
    The Rewatchables · 'Talladega Nights' With Craig Horlbeck, Danny Heifetz, and Danny Kelly · 1:31:25 · Craig Horlbeck (0.50 sure it was them)

Thanos: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thanos → The Godfather. Invoking Thanos is now as universal a pop reference as invoking The Godfather.
    “invoking Thanos is the same as like invoking the Godfather”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 1:58:50 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Brotherhood: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (comparison): The Brotherhood → The Godfather. Everyone cites Douglas's mob movie as the Godfather but bad.
    “the brotherhood that everyone cites is like, oh, this is like the godfather but bad.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:20:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Godfather Part II: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Godfather → The Godfather Part II. Both were rare cases where personal work also clicked commercially.
    “and his masterpieces, and they are beyond genius, somehow clicked commercially”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:18:10 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)

The Offer (TV): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Offer (TV) → The Godfather. The Offer sidelines Talia Shire and Diane Keaton, whose work on The Godfather was tangible.
    “the show is like completely uninterested in like Talia Shire or Diane Keaton”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Paths of Glory with Sarah Marshall (Ad-Free) · 1:34:23 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

You've Got Mail: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): You've Got Mail → The Godfather. Ephron habitually references movies that men love, such as The Godfather (going to the mattresses), Casablanca, and The Dirty Dozen.
    “There's also the godfather, you know, the, which is a classic Efron thing, like Casablanca, um, Harry Metzali, and the Dirty Dozen”
    Blank Check — Patreon · You've Got Mail with Bobby Finger & Lindsey Weber (Ad-Free) · 1:01:09 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career): Talia Shire → The Godfather. Shire has three best-picture movies in five years: Godfather, Godfather 2 and Rocky.
    “Godfather one, Godfather 2 and Rocky.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:03:42 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Thief → The Godfather. Godfather made Caan; Thief holds his best moment, better than any Godfather moment.
    “I think it's better than any godfather moment.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:25 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

contrast (2)

  1. contrast (contrast): Rocky → The Godfather. Structurally Rocky is like Godfather if it were all Michael and Kay's dates and the Don dies only in the last minutes; boxing barely appears until the last 13 minutes.
    “imagine if Godfather was entirely about Kate and Michael not in New York City.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:04:15 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Thief → The Godfather. 1981 compared with the Oscar crowd: Thief shut out.
    “So thief got shut out in the Oscars.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:25:30 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

craft (5)

  1. craft (craft): The Godfather → Sicario. The Godfather scene has more buildup and suspense, and Michael is not killing anyone's kids.
    “there's actually more drama in that Godfather scene.”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 0:25:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. Russell's intended tone was a Western Godfather; Jarre's version was more elegant.
    “Well, Russell says it, it was basically the godfather of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Tombstone → The Godfather. The Oriental faro takeover shows the Godfather-like business side Russell wanted.
    “You could see the godfather thing that Russell's talking about when he moves into Tombstone and immediately takes over the Faro game at the Oriental.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:55 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): The Godfather → Mario Puzo. Coppola cut huge sections of Puzo's novel, as Gray cut Grann's book.
    “even there, Francis took out huge sections of the book and made very interesting decisions.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:23:12 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): You've Got Mail → The Godfather. Ephron habitually references movies that men love, such as The Godfather (going to the mattresses), Casablanca, and The Dirty Dozen.
    “There's also the godfather, you know, the, which is a classic Efron thing, like Casablanca, um, Harry Metzali, and the Dirty Dozen”
    Blank Check — Patreon · You've Got Mail with Bobby Finger & Lindsey Weber (Ad-Free) · 1:01:09 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (awards rivalry): Cabaret → The Godfather. Fosse beat Coppola for the best director Oscar for Cabaret while The Godfather won picture.
    “Francois Coppola in the Godfather, the guy we use as shorthand for directing a movie.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 1:50:55 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Panic Room → The Godfather. The Academy's anniversary shoehorning (Godfather 50th, Pulp Fiction 28th) was awkward; Pacino and De Niro barely spoke.
    “The weird thing was, like, you have Pacino and De Niro out there, and they don't talk.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:03:39 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): The Godfather → The Godfather Part II. Both were rare cases where personal work also clicked commercially.
    “and his masterpieces, and they are beyond genius, somehow clicked commercially”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:18:10 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): The Offer (TV) → The Godfather. The Offer sidelines Talia Shire and Diane Keaton, whose work on The Godfather was tangible.
    “the show is like completely uninterested in like Talia Shire or Diane Keaton”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Paths of Glory with Sarah Marshall (Ad-Free) · 1:34:23 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (inspiration dispute): Frank Sinatra → The Godfather. Sinatra was mad because Johnny Fontane resembled him and the From Here to Eternity role; Sean denies Fontane is a Sinatra replica.
    “Johnny Fontaine is not a replica of Frank Sinatra.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:12:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

people (3)

  1. people (great-performance): Robert Duvall → The Godfather. Duvall's restrained Tom Hagen is held up as proof Oscars do not simply nominate him for everything.
    “Oh, Tom Hagen is one of my favorite characters ever.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 1:18:26 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. people (wedding movie exclusion / actor redemption): Father of the Bride → The Godfather. Simmons does not count The Godfather as a wedding movie, and says Keaton's performance here makes up for Kay Corleone.
    “I don't count the godfather as a wedding movie, even though the wedding is important.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Father of the Bride’ With Bill Simmons and Amanda Dobbins · 1:03:21 · Bill Simmons (0.90 sure it was them)
  3. people (shared actor): Sterling Hayden → The Godfather. The speakers cite how Coppola uses Hayden in The Godfather.
    “how Coppola uses Sterling Hayden”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Killing with Patton Oswalt (Ad-Free) · 0:31:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (8)

  1. theme (analogy): Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby → The Godfather. Reese Bobby is like Vito Corleone, a godfather figure who is in little of the movie but too important for the Dion Waiters award.
    “it's like in the Godfather, you know, Vito Corleone is not in the movie that much, but he can't be Dion Waiters.”
    The Rewatchables · 'Talladega Nights' With Craig Horlbeck, Danny Heifetz, and Danny Kelly · 1:31:25 · Craig Horlbeck (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (character echo): A Bronx Tale → The Godfather. Sonny is said to be more like Vito than Sonny Corleone: guns bring heat, so keep them out of the neighborhood.
    “I think Sunny is more like Vito Corleone than he is like Sonny Corleone”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:20:24 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. theme (motif): A Bronx Tale → The Godfather. The 'thunderbolt' moment of instant love appears in Michael and Apollonia, in Goodfellas, and in this film's Jane.
    “the best ones, Michael Corleone with Apollonia”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 1:41:50 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Panic Room → The Godfather. Rooting for a morally complicated figure (Whitaker) recalls No Country and The Godfather.
    “is it really that far afield from like no country for old men or the godfather”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:21:37 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  5. theme (shared location): Fletch → The Godfather. Alan Stanwick's house is the same house as the horse-head scene in The Godfather.
    “The godfather, when Jack Waltz finds the horse head in his bed”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Fletch’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:00:32 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. theme (analogy): John Hughes → The Godfather. Hughes's vindictiveness toward slighters is compared to Michael Corleone.
    “Hughes was weirdly vindictive for somebody who had such a, like that in like a dangerous Michael Corleone kind of way”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Ferris Bueller’s Day Off’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:00:16 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. theme (comparison): The Brotherhood → The Godfather. Everyone cites Douglas's mob movie as the Godfather but bad.
    “the brotherhood that everyone cites is like, oh, this is like the godfather but bad.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Spartacus with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:20:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. theme (theme): Thanos → The Godfather. Invoking Thanos is now as universal a pop reference as invoking The Godfather.
    “invoking Thanos is the same as like invoking the Godfather”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 1:58:50 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

unmapped (3)

  1. unmapped (rewatchables cross-reference): A Bronx Tale → The Godfather. Godfather scene (Vito: whoever comes to you is the traitor) is Simmons' favorite and is referenced as covered in the Godfather pod.
    “my favorite scene the Godfather is when Vito's getting old.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:03:40 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (canon): A Bronx Tale → The Godfather. Simmons lists Bronx Tale in the iconic Italian-American pop canon with Godfather I and II, Goodfellas, Sopranos, and My Cousin Vinny.
    “Godfather one and two, Goodfellas, Bronx Tale, Sopranos.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:18:32 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (shared line): Old School → The Godfather. Old School features the characters calling Luke Wilson 'Godfather'; the host also notes the Godfather timeline.
    “Godfather. Godfather.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:04:59 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Sicario → The Godfather. Godfather beats Sicario for best dinner-scene assassination because it is the bigger, more important movie.
    “Godfather is just a bigger, more important movie.”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 0:25:17 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about The Godfather: Bill says the dinner scene saved Pacino from being fired.
    “there's some backstory with Godfather where they were going to like, they wanted to replace Pacino and they shot that scene and that was the scene that saved him from getting fired”
    The Rewatchables · A CR Month Mailbag! · 0:25:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about The Godfather: Closing Godfather corrections: Corleone compound is in Long Beach, Sean is a proud North Shore guy, a reader notes Bobby Thompson's home run game on the radio, and a bit about the kids Kay was teaching.
    “fuck the southern shore.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:09:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The Godfather: A book of Coppola's original notes on the novel's pages, the Godfather notebook, has just been published.
    “A wonderful book called The Godfather notebook that has just been published about Francis's original notes on the pages of the book itself.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:23:25 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about The Godfather: Gray calls The Godfather a locomotive through the chest, unlike TV.
    “And the thing is like a locomotive that plunges its way through the center of your chest”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Lost City of Z’ Director James Gray | The Big Picture (Ep. 9) · 0:33:38 · James Gray (0.90 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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