Internal Affairs (1990)

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Wikidata Q498291, film, IMDb tt0099850, TMDB 11060: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the best known by that title (30 Wikipedias; the next, 4); 1 more episode agrees.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan (2024-03-19):

Double feature

  1. pick Deep Cover: The pick says Deep Cover was conceived as a sequel to Internal Affairs, built out from the same Los Angeles story.
    “Deep cover was conceived as a sequel to this movie.”
    unknown · 1:29:39
  2. pick Bad Influence: Pairs it for the weird psychosexual-movie era both films belong to.
    “I had bad influence just because this weird era that we're in now with like weird psychosex movies.”
    unknown · 1:29:57
  3. pick Basic Instinct: Calls Internal Affairs a basic-instinct-coded movie, so the two make a natural pair.
    “Pretty good coded, basic instinct coded movie.”
    unknown · 1:30:06

Most rewatchable scene

  1. pick Raymond goes to see Dennis Peck at the taco stand and Peck asks 'your wife fuck around?' (I'm married, you're married).
    “But the 1st one I have is Ramon goes to see Dennis at the taco stand.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:29:41
  2. pick Dennis has a drink with the Arokases, puts his hand on Tova's body under the table, and takes the 'kill my mother and father' job.
    “Dennis goes to have a drink with the Arokas.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:34:50
  3. pick The second Dennis and Raymond scene, where Peck says the skinny ones give good head and gets Raymond to punch him in front of City Hall.
    “Next rewatchable scene, the 2nd Dennis Raymond scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:37:02
  4. pick Van calls his wife and the camera pans back to show she is on top of Dennis Peck.
    “And the camera pan's back and she's riding Dennis Peck.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:39:09
  5. pick Dennis Peck gets Van killed, then kills the killer, then finishes Van off with a shotgun blast in the van.
    “I have the, uh, Dennis gets being killed and then kills the killer is a great twist.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:03
  6. pick The jealousy sequence: Raymond freaking out over his wife, through the elevator fight where Peck headbutts him and describes sleeping with his wife.
    “Man, the jealousy scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:41:16
  7. pick When Raymond and Dennis first meet outside the burger joint: you're married, I'm married, we're all married.
    “I have I have when they 1st meet outside of the burger joint and he's like, you're married, I'm married.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:43:23
  8. pick The elevator fight, which plays almost like a horror-movie scene.
    “You know, I have the elevator fight just because it's almost like a horror movie scene.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:43:31

Rick Dalton Award · A new award introduced on the show for the best acting the host has ever seen.

  1. winner Richard Gere as Dennis Peck: Awarded for the taco-stand scene where he tells Raymond they are both married.
    “Rick Dalton Award for the best acting I've ever seen in my life and it's Richard Gere in this scene.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:31:40

Ebert review · Reading what Roger Ebert said about the film.

  1. pick Internal Affairs: No Ebert review was found; the host read the At the Movies segment with Siskel, where both loved it. The star rating as transcribed is unclear (3 or 3.5).
    “And Ebert said, it's really a movie about personalities.”
    unknown · 0:25:13

Best That Guy · The best that-guy actor in the movie.

  1. winner John Capellos as Carl the janitor: Hosts argue most people know him as Carl the janitor.
    “I have Carl the janitor.”
    unknown · 1:12:28
  2. nominee Marco Rodriguez as Demetrio
    “Marco Rodriguez, the guy who plays Demetrio in this movie.”
    unknown · 1:11:46
  3. nominee Ron Vodder: Name as transcribed; mentioned as someone they covered in Philadelphia.
    “Ron Vodder, who we did in Philadelphia.”
    unknown · 1:12:07

Dion Waiters Award · Small role, big impact.

  1. pick Lolly as Peck's ex-wife
    “Lolly just being like, yeah, sure, let's go into the bedroom.”
    unknown · 1:13:15
  2. pick Mrs. Arokas: Notes Van Stretch's wife was in it too much to count.
    “I have Mrs. Zorokas, and I think Van Stretch's wife was in it too much and doesn't count.”
    unknown · 1:13:10

Big Kahuna Burger Award · Best use of food and drink.

  1. pick the Styrofoam cup drinking
    “I just have all the Styrofoam cup drinking.”
    unknown · 0:52:45
  2. pick the big Pepsis
    “I had the big Pepsis when they're both checking out the girl that walks by and he realizes, oh.”
    unknown · 0:52:48

Best shot · The best shot in the movie.

  1. pick Peck choking Van as the ambulance arrives, sirens reflected in the door
    “I had Peck choking out van as the ambulance arrived so you can kind of see it in the background getting closer and you can see like the reflection of the sirens and the side door.”
    unknown · 0:53:17
  2. pick The shot from behind with Peck's hand on the wife's leg and Carl the janitor between them
    “I like the shot of behind when he has his hand on the wife's leg and the cameras behind them.”
    unknown · 0:53:28
  3. pick The camera pull back to the wife on top of Dennis: Speaker jokes it may be too on brand for him.
    “But I have to give the best shot to the camera pull back to the wife being on top of Dennis just because that was a great shot, Cordo.”
    unknown · 0:53:49

Vincent Chase Award · Are we sure this character was actually good at his or her job?

  1. pick Raymond as Internal Affairs officer: Three weeks on the job he goes rogue, brawls with cops and stalks his own wife, but the speaker doesn't think he sucks.
    “He's like, 3 weeks on the job goes completely rogue.”
    unknown · 0:54:47
  2. pick Kathleen as Raymond's wife, the art dealer: Doubts her competence as a gallery professional given how she handles a coworker's warning about Raymond.
    “Are we sure this character is actually good at her job?”
    unknown · 0:55:23

Butch's Girlfriend Award · The weak link of the film.

  1. pick Raymond hitting his wife in a crowded restaurant: Hard for the character to recover; she then goes wild for him anyway.
    “It's really tough to recover from him hitting his wife in a crowded restaurant.”
    unknown · 0:56:41

What's aged the worst · What has aged worst in the movie.

  1. pick the 'toxic maleness' trope where obsession excuses anything
    “aggressive toxic maleness that like resolves anything by the man's unyielding desire for the woman”
    unknown · 0:57:10
  2. pick Peck taking away a cop's Raiders tickets: Played as a joke about the cop missing a peak Bo Jackson game.
    “Peck taking away that cop's Raiders tickets.”
    unknown · 0:57:53
  3. pick old police computers with the green type
    “I also have old police computers with the green type.”
    unknown · 0:59:27
  4. pick the movie's attitude toward domestic violence
    “Last one is just this movie's attitude toward domestic violence.”
    unknown · 1:02:01
  5. pick Andy Garcia's character laughing when he is angry with his wife: Speaker can't decide if it's actually the worst or just doesn't always work.
    “I'm so mad I'm laughing face.”
    unknown · 1:02:17

What's aged the best · What has aged best in the movie.

  1. pick dirty cops planting evidence: Works as a gimmick from the era before CCTV and iPhones.
    “Dirty cops planning evidence is always great.”
    unknown · 0:44:23
  2. pick the off-duty menswear (polo tucked in, collar popped, sunglasses)
    “Um, I feel like most contemporary men's wear is basically what these dudes wear off duty.”
    unknown · 0:45:41
  3. pick the Los Angeles cop-movie backdrop
    “LA has a cop movie background.”
    unknown · 0:46:22
  4. pick the Garcia and Gere haircuts
    “I had the Garcia and gear haircuts, which are very early 90s.”
    unknown · 0:47:00
  5. pick Dennis co-parenting with his ex-wife
    “just a great model of co-parenting, you know?”
    unknown · 0:49:53
  6. pick the changed ending: The original ending had Peck drowning in a pool and tested badly.
    “And the fact that they changed the original ending is the wood stage the best”
    unknown · 0:50:18
  7. pick Xander Berkeley as Rudy, the mall guy
    “I was going to save this for later, but just Xander Berkeley as Rudy, the mall guy.”
    unknown · 0:50:45
  8. pick cuckold thrillers as a genre: Transcript renders it as 'cook holding'; the hosts riff on 'cuck thriller' and 'the cuck from hell'.
    “Uh, cook holding has age.”
    unknown · 1:00:44

Best needle drop · Best music moment, called the Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness award.

  1. pick The music over drunk, angry Andy Garcia zoning in and out
    “Whatever music is going on with drunk, angry Andy Garcia when he's kind of zoning in and out.”
    unknown · 0:52:14
  2. pick the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis song when the pimp watches Dorian arrest his girl
    “Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like this Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis song comes on.”
    unknown · 0:52:27

Hannah/Rubinek/Partridge overacting award · Best overacting; the award name is garbled in the transcript.

  1. winner Raymond and Kathleen's day-after screaming fight
    “Raymond and Kathleen's fight, like the day after just screaming at each other?”
    unknown · 1:10:45

Did this movie need more Black people? · Whether the movie needed more Black characters.

  1. pick Internal Affairs: Says it's the rare movie that actively doesn't need more; Bill says it's an automatic category going forward.
    “This movie didn't need any more black people.”
    Van Lathan · 1:07:16

Hottest take (Stephen A. Smith award) · The hottest take on the movie.

  1. pick Dennis Peck's murders versus wives ratio: Swaps the usual award for the John Hollinger Advanced Analytics Award and counts 11 deaths to 5 sexual conquests, about 2.2.
    “I have the John Hollinger Advanced Analytics Award.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:04:10
  2. pick Internal Affairs as a cooler job than movies give it credit for
    “Internal Affairs, a cooler job than it gets credit for in movies.”
    Van Lathan · 1:05:32

Casting what-ifs · Almost-castings and recasts.

  1. pick Annabella Sciorra as Heather: Proposes swapping Annabella Sciorra and Nancy Travis; Bill agrees the movie is better because it adds contrast with Peck.
    “What if, is this movie better if Annabelle Shiora and Nancy Travis swap roles?”
    Chris Ryan · 0:58:46
  2. pick Nick Nolte as Dennis Peck: Offered the role and turned it down for Another 48 Hrs.
    “Our guy Nick Nolte was offered the role of Dennis Peck, turned it down to do another 48 hours.”
    unknown · 1:08:30
  3. nominee Harrison Ford as Dennis Peck
    “Harrison Ford, which is the one that I would nominate.”
    unknown · 1:08:53
  4. pick Christopher Reeve as Dennis Peck
    “So my three from that is oddly enough, Christopher Reeve.”
    unknown · 1:09:16
  5. pick Don Johnson as Dennis Peck
    “Don Johnson is almost as good.”
    unknown · 1:09:35
  6. nominee Denzel Washington as Dennis Peck: Floated as a thought experiment: 1990 Denzel, a totally different movie.
    “1990 Denzel as Dennis Peck?”
    unknown · 1:10:02

Director's commentary · Whether the movie would be better with a sports announcer's commentary.

  1. winner Tony Romo: Chosen over Chris Collinsworth.
    “This is clearly Romo.”
    unknown · 1:13:32

Better title · Was there a better title for the movie?

  1. winner The Rat Squad: A former police officer's name for internal affairs; Bill likes it.
    “Ooh, that's a great name.”
    unknown · 1:03:28
  2. nominee Too Fucking Macho: Rejected as too loud.
    “What do you think about calling it too fucking macho?”
    unknown · 1:03:16

Apex Mountain · Where a star's career or performance, or a movie trope, sits on the mountain.

  1. pick Richard Gere: Pretty Woman is his apex but it's the same year; this is the hottest he's ever been.
    “I mean, Pretty Woman is Richard Gears, Apex.”
    unknown · 1:15:42
  2. pick Andy Garcia: Signature roles floated: The Untouchables, Godfather 3, Black Rain, Ocean's 11, When a Man Loves a Woman.
    “What are the signature Andy Garcia roles?”
    unknown · 1:16:00
  3. pick Billy Baldwin: Backdraft or the film transcribed as 'Thief of Hearts' (likely Three of Hearts).
    “I think it might be Thief of Hearts.”
    unknown · 1:16:26
  4. pick the Valley (San Fernando Valley): Argues it's the apex Valley movie, rather than Boogie Nights or Magnolia.
    “Is there a world in which this is Apex Mountain for the valley, and in fact, it's not boogie nights or Magnolia?”
    unknown · 1:16:37
  5. pick Faye Grant: Offered as the actress for whom this is the apex, after dismissing Lori Metcalf and Annabella Sciorra.
    “Fay Grant, probably.”
    unknown · 1:18:43
  6. winner Indecent Proposal: Apex of a man imagining his wife with another man; The Best Man and Unfaithful were also floated.
    “Yeah. Oh, indecent. That's probably the, that's probably the winner.”
    unknown · 1:20:42
  7. pick slapping in movies: Peck slaps Billy Baldwin repeatedly; Nancy Travis slaps Andy Garcia for real.
    “Slapping in movies.”
    unknown · 1:20:56

Racehorse or fantasy team name · Which character name would make a good racehorse or fantasy team name.

  1. pick Van Stretch: Noted the announcer might trip over the 'down the stretch' joke.
    “Van Stretch as a racehorse is a cool racehorse.”
    unknown · 1:18:50

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a film they love.

  1. pick Raymond's behavior goes unsupervised
    “Uh, Raymond, out here, uh, getting in fights with Dennis, getting in fights with his wife at Spago or wherever, and just nobody, no supervision of his behavior whatsoever.”
    unknown · 1:19:08
  2. pick Arokas already seems wealthy, so why have his parents killed to diversify his business
    “I don't quite understand how much time has passed in this movie because Stephen Arokis needs his parents killed to diversify his business, but he has a house in Malibu.”
    unknown · 1:19:20
  3. pick answering the phone during sex with a dirty cop
    “Who answers the fucking phone as you're riding a dirty cop?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:21:27
  4. pick Peck has eight kids and a ninth on the way
    “It's just too many kids.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:23:02
  5. pick in bad guy world everybody knows everything: Calls it a small nitpick he's passionate about: the criminal grapevine that knows about a hit instantly.
    “This is a very small nitpick, but I'm passionate about it.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:23:27

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all-Black cast or Untouchables · The sequel, prequel or prestige TV show they would make.

  1. pick an Apple TV Patriots-dynasty-style docuseries recasting Dennis Peck as loving father
    “I would like to just keep the addition on to this category, which is or Apple TV's the Dynasty Patriots docu-series.”
    unknown · 1:24:55
  2. pick a sequel in the late 2000s with Peck's grown kids terrorizing LA (the Peck click)
    “Pecs, 8 grown-up kids now terrorizing LA.”
    unknown · 1:25:55

Oscar pick · Who should have won or been nominated.

  1. winner Richard Gere as Dennis Peck
    “It's got to be gear.”
    unknown · 1:27:26

Unanswerable questions · Questions the movie leaves open.

  1. pick Is Van Stretch's name like Van Lathan or like Keith Van Horn?: Raised earlier in the discussion, not in the questions segment.
    “is it Van Stretch like Van Lathon or is it Van Stretch like Keith Van Horn?”
    unknown · 0:21:32
  2. pick Is everyone's wife looking for strange?
    “Is everyone's wife looking for strange?”
    unknown · 1:27:33
  3. pick What's a fair price for killing someone's rich parents in 1990?: Hosts guess 40 to 75 thousand dollars.
    “What's a fair price for shooting someone's rich parents in 1990?”
    unknown · 1:27:43
  4. pick Where is the burger-joint brothel in LA?
    “I just wanted to know where the the burger prostitute place was.”
    unknown · 1:28:30
  5. pick How did Peck get Kathleen's underwear?
    “How did Peck get Kathleen's underwear or was it not her underwear?”
    unknown · 1:34:27

Zihuatanejo Award (what happened the next day) · What happens to the characters the day after the movie ends.

  1. pick Raymond and Kathleen's marriage afterward: Expect a lightning-quick divorce, or that he turns into Dennis to keep her interested.
    “So he's like basically turns into Dennis.”
    unknown · 1:30:32

Memorabilia · A prop they would own from the movie.

  1. pick the car
    “What about the car?”
    unknown · 1:30:47
  2. pick the polo shirts
    “I like some of the polo shirts.”
    unknown · 1:30:48
  3. pick an ice cold giant Pepsi
    “I wouldn't mind going for an ice cold giant pet.”
    unknown · 1:30:50

Coach Finstock Award · Best life lesson from the movie.

  1. pick Don't talk about wives
    “Oh, I was gonna say, don't talk about wives.”
    unknown · 1:31:13

Who won the movie · Who comes out on top.

  1. winner Richard Gere as Dennis Peck
    “And the Gear wins the movie.”
    unknown · 1:31:15
  2. pick Richard Gere as Dennis Peck: Says he rooted for Peck even though that's not the movie's intent.
    “Um, I'm fairly certain this is not the movie's intent, but I was just full rooting for gear in this movie.”
    Craig Horlbeck · 1:31:28

Who talked about it

The Rewatchables

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

No line says it drew on another film or person.

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Deep Cover: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs ⇒ Deep Cover (the host's read). Deep Cover was conceived as a sequel to Internal Affairs; Michael Tolkin and Henry Bean got involved in writing it.
    “Deep cover was conceived as a sequel to this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:29:39 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Bad Influence: 2 lines lineage ×1 programming ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Bad Influence. Bad Influence came out the same year and is similarly unhinged, part of an 89 to 91 run of dark sex-tinged movies.
    “But there's like, because also bad influence with Rob Lowe and James Bader comes out this year.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:27:04 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Bad Lieutenant: 2 lines verdict ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Internal Affairs → Bad Lieutenant. Bad Lieutenant is the dirtiest cop ever but tries too hard to be deranged; Internal Affairs is deranged without trying.
    “This movie is deranged, but it doesn't try too hard.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:21:13 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

L.A. Confidential: 2 lines theme ×1 craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): L.A. Confidential → Internal Affairs. Both open with a dirty cop who executes a man and plants a gun on him with no consequences.
    “So like even in like confidential when Russell Crowe just walks in and executes that guy.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:44:49 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Training Day: 2 lines lineage ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Training Day → Internal Affairs. Training Day knows it is a different prism on dirty cops, while Internal Affairs treats a dirty cop as fun to watch.
    “Yeah, training day is in a completely different prism and it knows that this movie is kind of like, ah, it's fun to watch Richard Gere be a dirty cop.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:16:20 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Another 48 Hrs.: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Another 48 Hrs. → Internal Affairs. The Internal Affairs guy is cast as the bad guy while investigating Jack Cates, who is the corrupt one.
    “Meanwhile, he's investigating Jack Cates, who is like just completely corrupt.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:07:06 · Van Lathan (0.30 sure it was them)

Basic Instinct: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Basic Instinct. Offered as a double-feature partner for Internal Affairs: a Basic Instinct coded movie.
    “Pretty good coded, basic instinct coded movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:30:06 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)

Beverly Hills Cop II: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (next-episode tease): Beverly Hills Cop II → Internal Affairs. The hosts tease dirty-cop episodes coming up including Internal Affairs.
    “until we do internal affairs.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Beverly Hills Cop II’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:07:47 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Black Panther → Internal Affairs. Peck is the man compared to Garcia, like a Killmonger thing: he talks shit to the very end.
    “It's kind of like a whole, like, Black Panther, Killmonger thing, where you leave.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:35:07 · Van Lathan (0.35 sure it was them)

Colors: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Colors → Internal Affairs. Colors is a renegade-cop movie, not a dirty-cop one, and has aged badly while Internal Affairs holds up.
    “Well, I mean, they're, they're, in colors, they're more renegade cops than they are dirty cops because they still have some cop type ethos.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:15:52 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Cop Land: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Cop Land. A speaker puts Cop Land in the dirty-cop pantheon, mostly for Ray Liotta.
    “For me, Coplands in there.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:04:59 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Daryl Gates: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Daryl Gates → Internal Affairs. The LAPD chief at the time condemned the movie.
    “Daryl Gates condemned this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:14:56 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Deep Cover: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Deep Cover. Deep Cover was conceived as a sequel to Internal Affairs; Michael Tolkin and Henry Bean got involved in writing it.
    “Deep cover was conceived as a sequel to this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:29:39 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Dennis Peck: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (casting test): Dennis Peck → Internal Affairs. Craig's relationship test: could Internal Affairs' Dennis Peck have charmed Leatherface's family out of the house.
    “You think Dennis could have gotten out of that house?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:09:01 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Ghost: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Internal Affairs → Ghost. The same movie could be made with Ghost's dirty banker and the drug dealer; the cop element is not necessary because it is about power and manipulation.
    “So remember how in Ghost he was the dirty banker that was funneling money for the drug dealer, whatever?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:26:09 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Harrison Ford: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Harrison Ford → Internal Affairs. One speaker would nominate Harrison Ford from the studio's long list for Peck.
    “Harrison Ford, which is the one that I would nominate.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:08:53 · Van Lathan (0.30 sure it was them)

Heat: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Heat → Internal Affairs. Bad-guy world where everybody knows the plan is a movie trope shared with Heat.
    “Am I tripping or does that happen in heat as well?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:24:33 · Bill Simmons (0.35 sure it was them)

Indecent Proposal: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → Indecent Proposal. Indecent Proposal is declared the winner of the imagined-spouse-affair Apex Mountain.
    “That's the winner.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:46 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)

Leaving Las Vegas: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Leaving Las Vegas → Internal Affairs. Both are set in a place supposed to be full of promise but are really full of sin and desperation.
    “They're both set in a place that's supposed to be full of promise, but is, in fact, full of sin and desperation.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:23:46 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)

Lethal Weapon 3: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Internal Affairs → Lethal Weapon 3. The unfinished Granada Hills development recalls construction sites in Lethal Weapon 3 and other action crime movies.
    “Because when you think about, I guess it's lethal weapon three.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:48:27 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)

Live and Die in L.A.: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Live and Die in L.A.. Bill places Internal Affairs alongside Live and Die in L.A. as a cool pre-Heat L.A. conflict movie.
    “it's up there with like live and die in LA of like a really cool preheat LA conflict.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:07:11 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Mike Figgis: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Mike Figgis → Internal Affairs. Figgis scored the film himself and cameos as the man dining with Nancy Travis.
    “So Mike Figgis was like, I got this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:01 · Chris Ryan (0.35 sure it was them)

Prince of the City: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Prince of the City. Prince of the City named as another great dirty-cop movie from the 70s run.
    “Uh, Prince of the City is another great dirty cop movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:36 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Rear Window: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Rear Window. The jealousy scenes turn the movie toward Rear Window or Vertigo as Raymond is consumed by sexual inadequacy more than the case.
    “That's where it turns to the rear window a little bit, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:41:23 · Van Lathan (0.35 sure it was them)

Roger Ebert: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → Internal Affairs. Ebert and Siskel both loved it; Ebert called it a movie about personalities, and Gere brilliant.
    “And Ebert said, it's really a movie about personalities.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:25:13 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

Serpico: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Serpico → Internal Affairs. Raymond, though supposedly an IAD rookie, takes over like Serpico.
    “And he turned into like Serpico.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:00:07 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Single White Female: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Single White Female. The dark, weird-sex run of movies carries on into Single White Female in 92.
    “Even through like single white female.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:27:18 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

The Breakfast Club: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → The Breakfast Club. Another movie with no black people that did not need any.
    “Same as Breakfast Club, a movie with no black people.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:11:32 · Van Lathan (0.50 sure it was them)

The French Connection: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → The French Connection. Dirty-cop movies trace back to the 70s classics, the French Connection and Serpico among them.
    “Yeah, connection.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:14 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

The Seven-Ups: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → The Seven-Ups. The Roy Scheider movie that is French Connection adjacent is a favorite dirty-cop picture.
    “The Roy Schider movie that's kind of like French connection adjacent has always been one of my favorites.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:22 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Shield (TV): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Shield (TV) → Internal Affairs. The Shield is offered as the closest TV answer to a dirty-cop show.
    “I guess the shield's the closest, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:39 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

The Wire: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Wire → Internal Affairs. Cops in The Wire beat suspects and plant evidence but read as more human than police, so dirty cops work differently on TV.
    “You see a couple these, Hurricane Carver, take some money, the whole not, so they're more human than they are police, which makes the lens that you look at them through a little bit different.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:16 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)

Unfaithful: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → Unfaithful. Apex Mountain candidates for imagining a spouse with someone else: Unfaithful and Indecent Proposal.
    “Unfaithful is a big one when gear after he kills the sculptor.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:31 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (4)

  1. contrast (contrast): Training Day → Internal Affairs. Training Day knows it is a different prism on dirty cops, while Internal Affairs treats a dirty cop as fun to watch.
    “Yeah, training day is in a completely different prism and it knows that this movie is kind of like, ah, it's fun to watch Richard Gere be a dirty cop.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:16:20 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): The Wire → Internal Affairs. Cops in The Wire beat suspects and plant evidence but read as more human than police, so dirty cops work differently on TV.
    “You see a couple these, Hurricane Carver, take some money, the whole not, so they're more human than they are police, which makes the lens that you look at them through a little bit different.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:18:16 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Internal Affairs → Bad Lieutenant. Bad Lieutenant is the dirtiest cop ever but tries too hard to be deranged; Internal Affairs is deranged without trying.
    “This movie is deranged, but it doesn't try too hard.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:21:13 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Internal Affairs → Ghost. The same movie could be made with Ghost's dirty banker and the drug dealer; the cop element is not necessary because it is about power and manipulation.
    “So remember how in Ghost he was the dirty banker that was funneling money for the drug dealer, whatever?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:26:09 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (3)

  1. craft (craft): L.A. Confidential → Internal Affairs. Both open with a dirty cop who executes a man and plants a gun on him with no consequences.
    “So like even in like confidential when Russell Crowe just walks in and executes that guy.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:44:49 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Mike Figgis → Internal Affairs. Figgis scored the film himself and cameos as the man dining with Nancy Travis.
    “So Mike Figgis was like, I got this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:46:01 · Chris Ryan (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Internal Affairs → Lethal Weapon 3. The unfinished Granada Hills development recalls construction sites in Lethal Weapon 3 and other action crime movies.
    “Because when you think about, I guess it's lethal weapon three.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:48:27 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Daryl Gates → Internal Affairs. The LAPD chief at the time condemned the movie.
    “Daryl Gates condemned this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:14:56 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (13)

  1. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Training Day. The dirty-cop pantheon: The Departed and Training Day have to be in there with Internal Affairs.
    “I mean, departed in training day?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:04:53 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Cop Land. A speaker puts Cop Land in the dirty-cop pantheon, mostly for Ray Liotta.
    “For me, Coplands in there.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:04:59 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → The French Connection. Dirty-cop movies trace back to the 70s classics, the French Connection and Serpico among them.
    “Yeah, connection.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:14 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → The Seven-Ups. The Roy Scheider movie that is French Connection adjacent is a favorite dirty-cop picture.
    “The Roy Schider movie that's kind of like French connection adjacent has always been one of my favorites.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:22 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Prince of the City. Prince of the City named as another great dirty-cop movie from the 70s run.
    “Uh, Prince of the City is another great dirty cop movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:36 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Live and Die in L.A.. Bill places Internal Affairs alongside Live and Die in L.A. as a cool pre-Heat L.A. conflict movie.
    “it's up there with like live and die in LA of like a really cool preheat LA conflict.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:07:11 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): Colors → Internal Affairs. Colors is a renegade-cop movie, not a dirty-cop one, and has aged badly while Internal Affairs holds up.
    “Well, I mean, they're, they're, in colors, they're more renegade cops than they are dirty cops because they still have some cop type ethos.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:15:52 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Bad Influence. Bad Influence came out the same year and is similarly unhinged, part of an 89 to 91 run of dark sex-tinged movies.
    “But there's like, because also bad influence with Rob Lowe and James Bader comes out this year.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:27:04 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Single White Female. The dark, weird-sex run of movies carries on into Single White Female in 92.
    “Even through like single white female.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:27:18 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Rear Window. The jealousy scenes turn the movie toward Rear Window or Vertigo as Raymond is consumed by sexual inadequacy more than the case.
    “That's where it turns to the rear window a little bit, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:41:23 · Van Lathan (0.35 sure it was them)
  11. lineage (lineage): Serpico → Internal Affairs. Raymond, though supposedly an IAD rookie, takes over like Serpico.
    “And he turned into like Serpico.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:00:07 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)
  12. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Deep Cover. Deep Cover was conceived as a sequel to Internal Affairs; Michael Tolkin and Henry Bean got involved in writing it.
    “Deep cover was conceived as a sequel to this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:29:39 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. lineage (lineage): Internal Affairs → Basic Instinct. Offered as a double-feature partner for Internal Affairs: a Basic Instinct coded movie.
    “Pretty good coded, basic instinct coded movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:30:06 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (casting test): Dennis Peck → Internal Affairs. Craig's relationship test: could Internal Affairs' Dennis Peck have charmed Leatherface's family out of the house.
    “You think Dennis could have gotten out of that house?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:09:01 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (programming): Internal Affairs → Bad Influence. Offered as the best double-feature choice because of this weird era of psychosexual movies.
    “I had bad influence just because this weird era that we're in now with like weird psychosex movies.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:29:57 · Van Lathan (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (9)

  1. theme (theme): The Shield (TV) → Internal Affairs. The Shield is offered as the closest TV answer to a dirty-cop show.
    “I guess the shield's the closest, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:17:39 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Leaving Las Vegas → Internal Affairs. Both are set in a place supposed to be full of promise but are really full of sin and desperation.
    “They're both set in a place that's supposed to be full of promise, but is, in fact, full of sin and desperation.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:23:46 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → L.A. Confidential. L.A. Confidential is the other prominent L.A. dirty-cop movie that the speakers had left out.
    “LA Confidential?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:44:46 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Another 48 Hrs. → Internal Affairs. The Internal Affairs guy is cast as the bad guy while investigating Jack Cates, who is the corrupt one.
    “Meanwhile, he's investigating Jack Cates, who is like just completely corrupt.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:07:06 · Van Lathan (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → The Breakfast Club. Another movie with no black people that did not need any.
    “Same as Breakfast Club, a movie with no black people.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:11:32 · Van Lathan (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → Unfaithful. Apex Mountain candidates for imagining a spouse with someone else: Unfaithful and Indecent Proposal.
    “Unfaithful is a big one when gear after he kills the sculptor.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:31 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): Internal Affairs → Indecent Proposal. Indecent Proposal is declared the winner of the imagined-spouse-affair Apex Mountain.
    “That's the winner.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:20:46 · Bill Simmons (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. theme (theme): Heat → Internal Affairs. Bad-guy world where everybody knows the plan is a movie trope shared with Heat.
    “Am I tripping or does that happen in heat as well?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:24:33 · Bill Simmons (0.35 sure it was them)
  9. theme (theme): Black Panther → Internal Affairs. Peck is the man compared to Garcia, like a Killmonger thing: he talks shit to the very end.
    “It's kind of like a whole, like, Black Panther, Killmonger thing, where you leave.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:35:07 · Van Lathan (0.35 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (next-episode tease): Beverly Hills Cop II → Internal Affairs. The hosts tease dirty-cop episodes coming up including Internal Affairs.
    “until we do internal affairs.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Beverly Hills Cop II’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 1:07:47 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (2)

  1. verdict (verdict): Bad Lieutenant → Internal Affairs. Bad Lieutenant went too far for the speaker and is not a rewatchable.
    “That one went too far for me.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:21:01 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Roger Ebert → Internal Affairs. Ebert and Siskel both loved it; Ebert called it a movie about personalities, and Gere brilliant.
    “And Ebert said, it's really a movie about personalities.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:25:13 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Harrison Ford → Internal Affairs. One speaker would nominate Harrison Ford from the studio's long list for Peck.
    “Harrison Ford, which is the one that I would nominate.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:08:53 · Van Lathan (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Internal Affairs: Hosts say it is a one-of-one: a dirty-cop movie crossed with a psychosexual thriller.
    “I don't know that they ever did.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:02:11 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Internal Affairs: Watching it feels like a genre of its own: you look behind you to see whether anyone is watching you watch it.
    “is anybody watching me watch this movie?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:03:18 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Internal Affairs: Box office: a $50 million budget (as said) against 47.7 million, then a cable mainstay, heavily edited for TNT.
    “It was one of the worst edited for TNT movies possible”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:24:45 · Van Lathan (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Internal Affairs: Original ending: they go out a window into a pool and Peck seems to drown; test audiences hated it, so it was changed.
    “They end up going out the window, falling in the swimming pool, peck drowns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:50:33 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Internal Affairs: Rat Squad: a better title offered via a speaker's father, a former police officer, who said that is what Internal Affairs was called.
    “they called it the rat squad.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:03:22 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Internal Affairs: Casting what-ifs: the research list of actors offered Peck includes Nolte, Harrison Ford, Pacino, and Schwarzenegger.
    “Alec Baldwin, Tom Barringer, Jeff Bridges, Pierce Brosnan, Kevin Costner, William Defoe, De Niro, Michael, Douglas, Harrison Ford, which is the one that I would nominate.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:08:53 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Internal Affairs: The fake-LA hot spots: a burger-hut parking lot with prostitutes, like BJ's on Alvarado from Heat.
    “like BJ's on Alvarado from Heat.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Internal Affairs’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:28:57 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.