Edge of Tomorrow (2014)

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Wikidata Q1187607, film, IMDb tt1631867, TMDB 137113: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 4 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

The Rewatchables' awards

From 'Edge of Tomorrow' With Sean Fennessey and Chris Ryan (2020-03-23):

Most rewatchable scene

  1. pick The first storming of the beach, the airdrop landing, with the heavy mech suits
    “I'm going to go 1st storming at the beach?”
    Chris Ryan · 0:40:11
  2. pick The first battle on the beach
    “Um, I agree with you about the most rewatchable scene.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:42:51
  3. floated Major Cage's first meeting with General Brigham
    “So 1st Major Cage's 1st meeting with Brendan Gleason's General Brigham.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:30:47
  4. floated Waking up in J squad for the first time
    “Obviously waking up in Master Sergeant Farrell's J squad for the 1st time”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:32:57
  5. floated The first airdrop and first battle sequence
    “Next rewatch will see in the airdrop”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:34:12
  6. floated Cage seeking out Rita and the training montage
    “The next sequence I wrote down is Cage seeking out Rita and then the training montage”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:36:58
  7. floated The drive to Leon that leads to the farmhouse
    “I like the drive to Leon, which eventually leads to the farmhouse.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:37:37
  8. floated The return engagement with General Brigham
    “I think the return engagement with General Brigham is on the list.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:37:40
  9. floated The final battle (he thinks it is sort of bad)
    “And then I guess sort of the final battle, but I think that the final battle is sort of bad.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:37:46
  10. floated Cage reading everybody's poker hands in the J squad camp
    “He walks into the J squad camp with Ferrell and he reads everybody's poker hands.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:38:42
  11. floated The final shot and the ending, Cage opening his hand with the grenade rings and then "have I got something on my face"
    “I do think that the final, basically the final action shot of the movie and then the final, final sequence, the very ending of the movie are both really good.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:39:27

What's Aged Best · What about the movie holds up best.

  1. winner Emily Blunt as Rita Vrataski: Emily Blunt as an action star; he first wrote it down as his answer.
    “I'm going to say blonde has aged the best.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:47:18
  2. nominee The sci-fi World War II setting
    “The sci-fi World War 2 thing is really cool to me.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:47:15
  3. nominee Green screen mixed with practical effects, and riffing on Groundhog Day
    “I also mentioned being unafraid to riff on Groundhog Day, which I think was a smart choice for this movie.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:46:23

What's Aged Worst · What about the movie holds up worst.

  1. nominee The alien plot and how the Omega works
    “Obviously, the alien plot in general, I think, just kind of doesn't matter.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:47:27
  2. nominee The score
    “I thought the score is kind of blah for a movie this cool.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:48:03
  3. nominee The Louvre sequence, which is too dark
    “I think mostly, for me, the Louvre stuff actually doesn't work for me also because it's so dark.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:48:28
  4. winner The ending of the movie: He calls it the key flaw of the movie.
    “I'll go with the ending in general as kind of what's age the worst.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:50:07

Casting What Ifs · Almost-castings and cut castings.

  1. pick Jeremy Piven: Added late, cut from the finished film; Chris says his energy would not have worked.
    “actor Jeremy Piven was added to the cast and extra scenes, including him, were filmed.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:50:16
  2. pick Brad Pitt as Bill Cage: Chris says it would take the winking Pitt, but Cruise is the better fit.
    “Brad Pitt was originally considered for the role of Bill Cage.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:51:19
  3. pick Ryan Gosling as Bill Cage
    “I read that Ryan Gosling was also considered for Cage”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:52:17
  4. pick Berenice Bejo as Rita Vrataski
    “I read that Berenice Bejo was up for, um, the role of Rita Vertaski”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:53:06

Dion Waiters Award · The biggest heat check from a small role.

  1. winner Brendan Gleeson as General Brigham
    “I've written down one name and one name only and that name is Gleason.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:54:16
  2. nominee Bill Paxton as Master Sergeant Farrell
    “Oh, you're not going Paxton?”
    Chris Ryan · 0:54:20

Joey Pants Award · Best that guy.

  1. nominee Terence Maynard: Named for the sergeant who says "on your feet, maggot".
    “Terrence Maynard, who is sergeant on your feet, maggot”
    Chris Ryan · 1:04:30
  2. nominee Charlotte Riley as Nance
    “I guess Charlotte Riley too, who plays Nance.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:05:01
  3. winner Tony Way as Kimmel: Character name inferred from the preceding Kimmel / Game of Thrones talk.
    “I guess we should just go with Tony Way as our”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:05:29

Vincent Hanna Award · Overacting.

  1. winner Charlotte Riley as Nance: Speaker unclear; the other host says she is going to the max.
    “I give to Charlotte Riley.”
    unknown · 1:06:09
  2. nominee Bill Paxton as Master Sergeant Farrell
    “Paxton?”
    unknown · 1:06:06

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a movie they love.

  1. pick The hospital break-out is too easy
    “it sure seemed like they broke out of that hospital fairly easily.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:06:24
  2. pick Rita sees Cage in the mimic simulator and offers to train him
    “What's up with that weird scene where Rita sees Cage training in the mimic simulator”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:06:36
  3. pick How long it takes each day to explain the situation to Rita
    “My biggest picking knit is just like how long would it take every day to explain the situation to her?”
    Chris Ryan · 1:07:08
  4. pick How Rita could know she lost the reset power
    “Rita couldn't know she lost her ability to restart the day unless she died and the day didn't reset.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:07:40
  5. pick Why the mimics bleed Cage to death at the dam
    “The mimics trap cage to a German damn ostensibly to get their time control power back by bleeding cage to death.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:08:25
  6. pick Why Cage and Rita keep returning to the farmhouse and running out of gas
    “Though initially it seems that it is Cage and Vertaski's 1st visit to the farmhouse cage later reveals that the 2 have been there many times.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:08:59
  7. pick The transponder theft in London; they could have used the one in the general's office
    “When Cajun Rita steal the transponder from the general in London, there is no reason for them to try and escape.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:10:02
  8. pick Rita's body count of executed soldiers
    “Rita's body count and all the extra judicial killings”
    Chris Ryan · 1:10:39

Best Quote · The best lines.

  1. pick "On your feet, maggot"
    “I mentioned on your feet, maggot.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:11:58
  2. pick Rita asking "what do we do now?" in General Brigham's office, which he calls the funniest moment
    “I think the funniest moment of the movie is when they go to General Brigham's office and they get the transponder and Rita says, what do we do now?”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:12:24
  3. pick Griff's line about never having been with two girls at the same time
    “When Cage says to, I think, Griff, he's like, listen, man, I've never been in one of these and Griff goes...”
    Chris Ryan · 1:12:42
  4. pick Farrell's "Battle is the great Redeemer" speech
    “he says, Battle is the great Redeemer.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:12:58
  5. pick "Come find me when you wake up"
    “just come find me when you wake up.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:13:31

Sequel / Prequel / TV · Whether it would work as a Netflix show, and the sequel.

  1. pick A General Brigham show
    “No, but I would watch the General Brigham show.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:13:44
  2. pick The sequel (Live Die Repeat and Repeat): Says a script apparently exists but it keeps being about to start shooting.
    “Well, Doug Lyman, salesman that he is, has said that it would redefine what a sequel could be if they did it.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:13:58

Unanswerable Questions · Unanswerable questions about the movie.

  1. pick How many times Major Cage died: Sean asks; Chris takes Rita's 300 deaths for Hendrix as the baseline.
    “I would imagine something close to like a year of deaths.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:17:06
  2. pick Hillary Clinton shown as president in 2020; is the movie responsible for the 2016 election?: Joke question; Sean's answer is that it is Doug Liman's fault.
    “One of the public officials they showed was Hillary Clinton, implying that she was the president of the United States of America.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:17:35

Apex Mountain · Where a career peak sits.

  1. pick Emily Blunt: Edge of Tomorrow or Sicario.
    “I would say this or Sicario is probably apex for me.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:20:14
  2. pick Doug Liman: Speaker unclear.
    “So I think Bourne would probably be his Apex Mountain”
    unknown · 1:19:15

Who Won the Movie · Who came out ahead.

  1. winner Tom Cruise as Major Cage: Sean jokes it is Donald Trump.
    “But, I'm going to say, cruise, but I don't feel like you can easily talk me into Blunt.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:20:33

Who talked about it

Blank Check — Patreon

The Big Picture

The Rewatchables

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Groundhog Day: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Groundhog Day ⇒ Edge of Tomorrow (the host's read). The pitch is Groundhog Day as sci-fi action, and it keeps the loop while adding war stakes.
    “Doug Lyman is doing like an sci-fi action movie groundhog day with Tom Cruise”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:11:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Top Gun: Maverick: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Edge cracked a new era of Cruise; Ethan Hunt and Maverick run on what he learned here.
    “That Maverick is really running on a lot of this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:24 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Groundhog Day: 5 lines contrast ×2 lineage ×1 theme ×1 craft ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day hits an inflection point where Bill Murray tries suicide and then just lives through it; Edge is about repeated violent deaths and the hope of advancing.
    “Groundhog Day hits the inflection point about halfway through where he's like, let me kill myself.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:40:20 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Fallout: 3 lines verdict ×2 craft ×1

  1. verdict (ranking): Mission: Impossible – Fallout → Edge of Tomorrow. Fallout is argued in over Edge of Tomorrow because it cemented Cruise's reinvention and made Top Gun: Maverick possible.
    “without fallout being what it is and being as successful.”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:36:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Mr. & Mrs. Smith: 2 lines industry ×1 verdict ×1

  1. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Bourne, Smith and Edge all had the 'is he ever going to finish' chaos, with actors replaced mid-shoot.
    “Bourne and Smith and Edge of Tomorrow all had that thing of like, is he ever going to finish this thing?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:10:45 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Oblivion: 2 lines career ×1 contrast ×1

  1. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → Oblivion. Oblivion is the other movie Cruise made in this stretch where he is messing with his persona: a man who looks and acts like Tom Cruise but does not know who he is.
    “oblivion, the other movie he made in this time where he's trying shit”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:56:13 · Ben Hosley (0.50 sure it was them)

Vanilla Sky: 2 lines craft ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Vanilla Sky. Edge of Tomorrow is a better, later film because we know Cruise now wants us to like him.
    “because we know that Cruz desperately wants us to like him again.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:17:32 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

American Made: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → American Made. Edge is the end of the run where Cruise looks like an aged-well human; by American Made he looks 'nuts'.
    “This is the end of that run.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:15:00 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Arrival: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Arrival. Edge and Arrival were the two 2010s alien movies that finally went non-humanoid.
    “this and arrival were the 2 that were like, what if it's not humanoid at all?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:10 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Battleship: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Battleship. Most 2010s movie aliens were CGI things in an armored suit like Battleship.
    “It was the battleship thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:02 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Big: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Big. Time-loop and magic movies like Big refuse to explain the magic (a fortune-teller machine); Edge justifies its premise.
    “Usually it's better to not explain these things.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:35:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Boyhood: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Boyhood. The speaker ranks Edge over Boyhood, which is respectable.
    “I like this more than boyhood, but boyhood is respectable.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:17:57 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Brad Pitt: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Brad Pitt → Edge of Tomorrow. Pitt was Liman's first choice for the lead and dropped out; the hosts think Cruise is better.
    “I mean, like, I think cruise is better.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:45:54 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Christopher McQuarrie: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Christopher McQuarrie → Edge of Tomorrow. McQuarrie joined halfway through filming, connected the dots, and became the writer on set; he then got Mission Impossible.
    “They hire Macquarie like halfway through filming and he immediately looks at what they have and starts like connecting dots and solving problems.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:47:22 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Cocktail: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Cocktail. Unlike Cocktail or The Color of Money, Cruise's character does not have all the moves; he has to learn them.
    “It's not cocktail, it's not color money.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:20:52 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Collateral: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (ranking): Collateral → Edge of Tomorrow. Collateral and Edge of Tomorrow are the self-indulgent last picks; the group questions whether the list reflects Big Picture taste.
    “this is a big picture self-indulgent list.”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:38:09 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Cowboys & Aliens: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Cowboys & Aliens. Cowboys & Aliens has entirely CGI aliens still designed as if putting a suit on a person.
    “Like Cowboys and Aliens has the same problem”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:30:37 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

District 9: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → District 9. District 9 is good alien design but traditional: bugs.
    “I guess district 9 is good alien design.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:30:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Doug Liman: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Doug Liman → Edge of Tomorrow. Doug Liman's career is baffling: Go, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Bourne, Jumper, Edge of Tomorrow.
    “His career is insane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:45:45 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Emily Blunt: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Edge of Tomorrow. Blunt as a female Bond because of action credibility in Edge of Tomorrow and Sicario.
    “She's the biggest badass and you buy it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 1:18:07 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Eyes Wide Shut: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career arc): Eyes Wide Shut → Edge of Tomorrow. Edge of Tomorrow is a blockbuster version of Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia where the hero keeps failing and dying.
    “Edge of Tomorrow, for example, is kind of like a newfangled,”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 0:33:49 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Ghostbusters: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Ghostbusters. The Noah Taylor briefing carries the same 'I'm not sure, it might end the world' flavor as Ghostbusters' cross the streams.
    “The Ghostbusters thing of like what happens if we cross the streams.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:34:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Jumper: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → Jumper. Same director, similar practical-effect obsession; Jumper has a good idea and a bad story, Edge solves it.
    “you're like, he figured out this one thing and the story sucks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:02:41 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Lady in the Water: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Lady in the Water. The mimics look like the scrunts from Lady in the Water, with tendrils.
    “They look kind of like scrunts from Lady in the Water”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:59 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Locked Down: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Locked Down. Liman's post-Edge filmography: The Wall, American Made, Locked Down.
    “But then it was locked down, which sucks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:55:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible III: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible III. Casting Brendan Gleeson parallels Philip Seymour Hoffman in MI3: the best foil for Cruise comes from a different acting discipline.
    “like casting Philip Seymour Hoffman in Mission Impossible 3”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:12:38 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol. Ghost Protocol had the same chaos, with a hundred writers, which McQuarrie solved by starting to film and figuring it out.
    “This was the Macquarie thing, and this is exactly what happened on Ghost Protocol”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:47:12 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Moby: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Moby → Edge of Tomorrow. The pop song over Edge of Tomorrow's final cut sounds like the Moby song that ends Bourne.
    “it sort of sounds like the Moby song that Bourne ends with, which then the later borns all use.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:36:44 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Monsters, Inc.: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Monsters, Inc.. The ambiguous final beat mirrors Monsters Inc.: you want to know he goes back to her but no more definitive answer.
    “the perfect ending because it's like the Monsters Inc. ending”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:35:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Raiders of the Lost Ark: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Raiders of the Lost Ark. The black blood burning through Cage's face in his first death is 'end of Raiders shit'.
    “like end of Raiders shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:50:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Edge of Tomorrow → RoboCop. The hosts recorded a RoboCop commentary in the slot where Edge was originally scheduled, and the opening news montage reminds them of RoboCop's.
    “I mean, we just saw it with like Robocop.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:05:18 · Ben Hosley (0.40 sure it was them)

Snabba Cash: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Snabba Cash. Dragomir Mrsic from Edge is in Snabba Cash, the Swedish film that got Joel Kinnaman English-language work and Espinosa the RoboCop remake.
    “It's the thing that got Joel Kinnaman in English language productions, and then Daniel Espinoza gets hired to do the Robocop remake”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:20:25 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Bourne Identity: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → The Bourne Identity. The end-credits pop song sounds like the Moby song Bourne ends with.
    “it sort of sounds like the Moby song that Bourne ends with”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:36:44 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Color of Money: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → The Color of Money. Same point: the earlier Cruise plays the guy who has the moves; Edge has him work for them.
    “not this guy has all the moves.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:20:55 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Grand Budapest Hotel: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → The Grand Budapest Hotel. Edge is better than half of the 2014 Oscar movies.
    “I would say Edge is better than half of those movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:17:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Matrix: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → The Matrix. The mimics recall the Matrix Sentinels but do not feel derivative.
    “There's a little bit of the Matrix Sentinel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:31:17 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Mummy: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → The Mummy. The Mummy is named as another place the post-Edge Cruise persona shows up.
    “The mummy?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:29 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Tomorrow War: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → The Tomorrow War. Tomorrow War has half a good alien design, like a fleshy version of Edge's.
    “it kind of felt like it was just like a fleshy version of this”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Tom Cruise: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Tom Cruise → Edge of Tomorrow. A foreign actress can't volley the ball back; Emily Blunt does in Edge of Tomorrow, so Cruise's chemistry works.
    “Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:14:09 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Top Gun: Maverick: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → Top Gun: Maverick. Edge cracked a new era of Cruise; Ethan Hunt and Maverick run on what he learned here.
    “That Maverick is really running on a lot of this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:24 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

X-Men: Days of Future Past: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Edge of Tomorrow → X-Men: Days of Future Past. On the opening weekend chart, Edge opened third behind Fault in Our Stars and Maleficent; X-Men DoFP was still fourth.
    “Edge of Tomorrow is number three.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:40:54 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (6)

  1. career (career arc): Eyes Wide Shut → Edge of Tomorrow. Edge of Tomorrow is a blockbuster version of Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia where the hero keeps failing and dying.
    “Edge of Tomorrow, for example, is kind of like a newfangled,”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 0:33:49 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → Top Gun: Maverick. Edge cracked a new era of Cruise; Ethan Hunt and Maverick run on what he learned here.
    “That Maverick is really running on a lot of this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:24 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → The Mummy. The Mummy is named as another place the post-Edge Cruise persona shows up.
    “The mummy?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:29 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → American Made. Edge is the end of the run where Cruise looks like an aged-well human; by American Made he looks 'nuts'.
    “This is the end of that run.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:15:00 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. career (career): Edge of Tomorrow → Oblivion. Oblivion is the other movie Cruise made in this stretch where he is messing with his persona: a man who looks and acts like Tom Cruise but does not know who he is.
    “oblivion, the other movie he made in this time where he's trying shit”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:56:13 · Ben Hosley (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. career (career): Doug Liman → Edge of Tomorrow. Doug Liman's career is baffling: Go, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Bourne, Jumper, Edge of Tomorrow.
    “His career is insane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:45:45 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

contrast (13)

  1. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Boyhood. The speaker ranks Edge over Boyhood, which is respectable.
    “I like this more than boyhood, but boyhood is respectable.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:17:57 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Cocktail. Unlike Cocktail or The Color of Money, Cruise's character does not have all the moves; he has to learn them.
    “It's not cocktail, it's not color money.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:20:52 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → The Color of Money. Same point: the earlier Cruise plays the guy who has the moves; Edge has him work for them.
    “not this guy has all the moves.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:20:55 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Battleship. Most 2010s movie aliens were CGI things in an armored suit like Battleship.
    “It was the battleship thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:02 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Arrival. Edge and Arrival were the two 2010s alien movies that finally went non-humanoid.
    “this and arrival were the 2 that were like, what if it's not humanoid at all?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:10 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → The Tomorrow War. Tomorrow War has half a good alien design, like a fleshy version of Edge's.
    “it kind of felt like it was just like a fleshy version of this”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → District 9. District 9 is good alien design but traditional: bugs.
    “I guess district 9 is good alien design.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:30:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Cowboys & Aliens. Cowboys & Aliens has entirely CGI aliens still designed as if putting a suit on a person.
    “Like Cowboys and Aliens has the same problem”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:30:37 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day's loop is unexplained and mystical (a witch after a bad date); Edge gives a rule-based answer, the aliens' reset ability as competitive advantage.
    “the wise decision that Groundhog Day was supposed to be like a witch curses him after a bad date.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:35:06 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  10. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Big. Time-loop and magic movies like Big refuse to explain the magic (a fortune-teller machine); Edge justifies its premise.
    “Usually it's better to not explain these things.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:35:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day hits an inflection point where Bill Murray tries suicide and then just lives through it; Edge is about repeated violent deaths and the hope of advancing.
    “Groundhog Day hits the inflection point about halfway through where he's like, let me kill myself.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:40:20 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Oblivion. Oblivion is sad and quiet; Edge gets the humor Oblivion needed.
    “I think that movie needs more humor.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:56:35 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. contrast (contrast): Edge of Tomorrow → Vanilla Sky. Edge of Tomorrow is a better, later film because we know Cruise now wants us to like him.
    “because we know that Cruz desperately wants us to like him again.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 1:17:32 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (12)

  1. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Lady in the Water. The mimics look like the scrunts from Lady in the Water, with tendrils.
    “They look kind of like scrunts from Lady in the Water”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:29:59 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → The Matrix. The mimics recall the Matrix Sentinels but do not feel derivative.
    “There's a little bit of the Matrix Sentinel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:31:17 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Ghostbusters. The Noah Taylor briefing carries the same 'I'm not sure, it might end the world' flavor as Ghostbusters' cross the streams.
    “The Ghostbusters thing of like what happens if we cross the streams.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:34:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Raiders of the Lost Ark. The black blood burning through Cage's face in his first death is 'end of Raiders shit'.
    “like end of Raiders shit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:50:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible III. Casting Brendan Gleeson parallels Philip Seymour Hoffman in MI3: the best foil for Cruise comes from a different acting discipline.
    “like casting Philip Seymour Hoffman in Mission Impossible 3”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:12:38 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. The choreography of the repeated day (dodging people, counting it off) is what Groundhog Day does.
    “It's what Grandhog Day does.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:25:57 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Monsters, Inc.. The ambiguous final beat mirrors Monsters Inc.: you want to know he goes back to her but no more definitive answer.
    “the perfect ending because it's like the Monsters Inc. ending”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:35:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible – Fallout. Fallout has the same ending as Edge: cut on Cruise's smile with a weird pop-song needle drop.
    “Fallout kind of have the same ending.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:36:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → The Bourne Identity. The end-credits pop song sounds like the Moby song Bourne ends with.
    “it sort of sounds like the Moby song that Bourne ends with”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:36:44 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. craft (craft): Moby → Edge of Tomorrow. The pop song over Edge of Tomorrow's final cut sounds like the Moby song that ends Bourne.
    “it sort of sounds like the Moby song that Bourne ends with, which then the later borns all use.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:36:44 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. craft (craft): Tom Cruise → Edge of Tomorrow. A foreign actress can't volley the ball back; Emily Blunt does in Edge of Tomorrow, so Cruise's chemistry works.
    “Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:14:09 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  12. craft (craft): Edge of Tomorrow → Vanilla Sky. Edge of Tomorrow almost threads the needle of an idiosyncratic filmmaker doing a big genre movie.
    “almost threads the needle of what we're talking about.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Vanilla Sky with Richard Lawson (Ad-Free) · 0:45:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Bourne, Smith and Edge all had the 'is he ever going to finish' chaos, with actors replaced mid-shoot.
    “Bourne and Smith and Edge of Tomorrow all had that thing of like, is he ever going to finish this thing?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:10:45 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol. Ghost Protocol had the same chaos, with a hundred writers, which McQuarrie solved by starting to film and figuring it out.
    “This was the Macquarie thing, and this is exactly what happened on Ghost Protocol”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:47:12 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Locked Down. Liman's post-Edge filmography: The Wall, American Made, Locked Down.
    “But then it was locked down, which sucks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:55:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Edge of Tomorrow → Snabba Cash. Dragomir Mrsic from Edge is in Snabba Cash, the Swedish film that got Joel Kinnaman English-language work and Espinosa the RoboCop remake.
    “It's the thing that got Joel Kinnaman in English language productions, and then Daniel Espinoza gets hired to do the Robocop remake”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:20:25 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (lineage): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. The pitch is Groundhog Day as sci-fi action, and it keeps the loop while adding war stakes.
    “Doug Lyman is doing like an sci-fi action movie groundhog day with Tom Cruise”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:11:26 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Christopher McQuarrie → Edge of Tomorrow. McQuarrie joined halfway through filming, connected the dots, and became the writer on set; he then got Mission Impossible.
    “They hire Macquarie like halfway through filming and he immediately looks at what they have and starts like connecting dots and solving problems.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:47:22 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): Edge of Tomorrow → RoboCop. The hosts recorded a RoboCop commentary in the slot where Edge was originally scheduled, and the opening news montage reminds them of RoboCop's.
    “I mean, we just saw it with like Robocop.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:05:18 · Ben Hosley (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Edge of Tomorrow → X-Men: Days of Future Past. On the opening weekend chart, Edge opened third behind Fault in Our Stars and Maleficent; X-Men DoFP was still fourth.
    “Edge of Tomorrow is number three.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:40:54 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (theme): Edge of Tomorrow → Groundhog Day. Both are about depression and being stuck; Edge adds the stakes that you keep dying, and it stays hopeful.
    “Groundhog Day, I would say is also like about depression.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:40:05 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (6)

  1. verdict (ranking): Mission: Impossible – Fallout → Edge of Tomorrow. Fallout is argued in over Edge of Tomorrow because it cemented Cruise's reinvention and made Top Gun: Maverick possible.
    “without fallout being what it is and being as successful.”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:36:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (ranking): Collateral → Edge of Tomorrow. Collateral and Edge of Tomorrow are the self-indulgent last picks; the group questions whether the list reflects Big Picture taste.
    “this is a big picture self-indulgent list.”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:38:09 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → Mission: Impossible – Fallout. By the time Fallout came out people were saying Edge also ruled; these are modern Cruise's high points.
    “these are now kind of his high points for modern Tom.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:16:59 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → The Grand Budapest Hotel. Edge is better than half of the 2014 Oscar movies.
    “I would say Edge is better than half of those movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:17:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Smith is a movie where you feel the Liman chaos; one host does not like it, the other finds it messy and enjoyable.
    “It is a movie where you feel the Lymania.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:43:35 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. verdict (verdict): Edge of Tomorrow → Jumper. Same director, similar practical-effect obsession; Jumper has a good idea and a bad story, Edge solves it.
    “you're like, he figured out this one thing and the story sucks.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:02:41 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Edge of Tomorrow. Blunt as a female Bond because of action credibility in Edge of Tomorrow and Sicario.
    “She's the biggest badass and you buy it.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Skyfall’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins · 1:18:07 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Brad Pitt → Edge of Tomorrow. Pitt was Liman's first choice for the lead and dropped out; the hosts think Cruise is better.
    “I mean, like, I think cruise is better.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:45:54 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The title fight: announced as All You Need Is Kill, retitled with 'Live Die Repeat' as a tagline on a badly laid out poster; on home video they flipped them.
    “they flipped them because their takeaway from the confusion was”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:19:33 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The Blank Check joke: the show's own scheduling was a time loop, as the episode was pushed three times.
    “The day would reset and you'd be like, next week we are recording edge of tomorrow.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:26:08 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: Exposition lands at literally minute 40: Noah Taylor's briefing, timed by a host's time-code check.
    “I just did the time code check.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:32:27 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: Cage dies in a close-up of his face melting with black blood, and the audience reacts because Tom Cruise doesn't fail.
    “Tom Cruise doesn't fail.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:50:56 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: On day two, Liman said they had to reshoot everything; the studio nearly fired him and Cruise backed him.
    “Lyman was like, we have to reshoot everything we shot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:00:57 · Ben Hosley (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The practical exosuits weighed 80 to 100 pounds; Liman called making them practical the stupidest thing they did, yet they look great.
    “the stupidest thing we ever did was make those practical”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:01:56 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: Liman wanted to shoot on the Normandy beaches; the assistant director talked him into a set.
    “Lyman originally wanted to shoot this at the beaches of Normandy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:04:22 · Ben Hosley (0.60 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The 'how are we not already dead' question: in the source material the mimics are terraforming Earth slowly.
    “they're just eating the earth and poisoning the water.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:07:21 · Ben Hosley (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The Louvre as the aliens' hideout: a host jokes it should be a Bulgarian mountain, not under a glass pyramid next to the Mona Lisa.
    “Wouldn't you be in like some like mountain in Bulgaria”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:24:58 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The kiss at the end was improvised, and a host argues it works because it reads as 'we made it', not romance.
    “even that kiss at the end was improvised”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:27:22 · Ben Hosley (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: The farmhouse: the hosts agree it lifts the film into masterpiece territory, as it is farmhouse number 100 for him.
    “this is farmhouse 100.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:29:55 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Edge of Tomorrow: Box office: opened third behind Fault in Our Stars and Maleficent, about $100M domestic, $367M worldwide.
    “It made 367 worldwide.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 1:38:55 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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