Cher

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as other. The films the hosts said they were tied to, which the two lists below run through too: Rocky (1976); Saturday Night Fever (1977); Working Girl (1988); The War of the Roses (1989). Count them as actor (3 films) instead.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

An Officer and a Gentleman (1982): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Working Girl (1988), which they were tied to as casting what-if for Tess; speakers would not buy her: An Officer and a Gentleman ⇒ Working Girl (the host's read). The kiss-and-secretaries-cheer moment is an Officer and a Gentleman homage.
    “And then I had the officer and a gentleman homage when they're kissing and one of the secretaries says, way to go.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:13:08 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)

Chuck Wepner: 1 line

  1. people (people) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Chuck Wepner ⇒ Rocky (the host's read). Stallone watched Wepner take a beating from Ali for 15 rounds and was inspired to write Rocky in 3.5 days.
    “He's watching Webner Ali in 75, which was the real life version of this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:19:58 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Nik Cohn: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Nik Cohn ⇒ Saturday Night Fever (the host's read). The film comes from a 1976 New York magazine article, later admitted to be mostly fabricated.
    “this article written by Nick Cohen”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:17:23 · Bill Simmons (0.85 sure it was them)

The Longest Yard: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: The Longest Yard ⇒ Rocky (the host's read). Longest Yard arguably started the big-event beats, but Rocky is what made the sports-movie recipe stick.
    “which I guess you could say longest yard started it, but once Rocky did this.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:06:09 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Fighting with My Family (2019): 3 lines

  1. craft (craft) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Fighting with My Family (the maker said so: Merchant in this interview). Merchant says you cannot make a sports movie without watching Rocky and all its sequels.
    “make any kind of sports a movie without watching Rocky or indeed all of the Rockies”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:45:46 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Fighting with My Family (the maker said so: Merchant in this interview). Merchant calls Rocky a template because it beds in character so you root for him before the fight, a lesson he applied.
    “a template in the sense that it really beds in character”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:46:00 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Fighting with My Family (the maker said so: Merchant in this interview). Merchant treats the wrestling matches like the dance numbers in Saturday Night Fever, each with different moves building to a big finale.
    “the way that the wrestling sequences are almost little dance numbers.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:47:51 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)

Creed (2015): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Creed (the host's read). Merchant says Creed repeated Rocky's trick of making you care about the character before the fighting.
    “when they rebooted it with Creed, I think they did the same thing”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:46:07 · Stephen Merchant (0.95 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Creed (the host's read). Creed closely follows Rocky's structure, but opens with Creed obviously able to fight, unlike Rocky's grim opening bout.
    “in Creed, which very closely follows some of the structures of rocky.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:38:15 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them)

Pretty Woman (1990): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Working Girl (1988), which they were tied to as casting what-if for Tess; speakers would not buy her: Working Girl ⇒ Pretty Woman (the host's read). Pretty Woman borrows openly from Working Girl's Cinderella story.
    “It openly steal shit from this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:08:48 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming) · through Working Girl (1988), which they were tied to as casting what-if for Tess; speakers would not buy her: Working Girl ⇒ Pretty Woman (the host's read). Pairing Working Girl and Pretty Woman as a Cinderella double feature to see what Pretty Woman took.
    “It double Cinderella and then you're watching Purdue Woman seeing all the things they took.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 2:05:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Staying Alive (1983): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Staying Alive (the host's read). The sequel; the hosts agree it is a bad one but Simmons is glad it exists and thinks it did not ruin the original.
    “I'm glad it exists.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 1:17:52 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Staying Alive (the host's read). Staying Alive is so different that it did not ruin the original the way most sequels would.
    “it's just so different from Saturday Night Fever that it didn't ruin it in the same way most sequels would.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 1:18:06 · Bill Simmons (0.80 sure it was them)

(the modern sports movie): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ (the modern sports movie) (the host's read). Rocky created the sports-movie prototype and the modern underdog.
    “created the sports movie prototype, like just period.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:05:47 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Airplane! (1980): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Airplane! (the host's read). Airplane! parodies this film's romance scene three years later with Robert Hays and Julie Hagerty.
    “The airplane parody scene.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:50:19 · Jimmy Kimmel (0.50 sure it was them)

Bull Durham (1988): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Bull Durham (the host's read). Bull Durham took the Rocky motto a level further in how a sports movie is written.
    “how can we take that rocky motto and actually go the next level with how we write a movie”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Natural’ With Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin · 0:25:51 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

Cinderella Man (2005): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Cinderella Man (the host's read). Rocky set up the idea that a victory transforms the supporting cast too, as in Cinderella Man where he fights for Giamatti.
    “by the time you get to like Cinderella man, you realize that he's not just fighting for him, he's fighting for Giamatti.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:28:11 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them)

Game of Thrones (2011): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The War of the Roses (1989), which they were tied to as actor, in the mix for Barbara Rose: The War of the Roses ⇒ Game of Thrones (the host's read). The actual historical Wars of the Roses was a big inspiration for Game of Thrones.
    “Big inspiration for Game of Thrones.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The War of the Roses’ With Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Amanda Dobbins · 0:56:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Mad Magazine's Saturday Night Fever parody: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Saturday Night Fever (1977), which they were tied to as floated by Simmons as a recast Stephanie: Saturday Night Fever ⇒ Mad Magazine's Saturday Night Fever parody (the host's read). Kimmel says he read the Mad parody before he saw the movie.
    “I think maybe I probably read the parody of the movie before I saw the movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 0:50:52 · Jimmy Kimmel (0.80 sure it was them)

Problem Child: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The War of the Roses (1989), which they were tied to as actor, in the mix for Barbara Rose: The War of the Roses ⇒ Problem Child (the maker said so: the writer's own account on the show). They had pitched Problem Child to be a grown-up dark comedy like The War of the Roses.
    “talked about the War of the Roses”
    The Big Picture · The 10 Best Horror Movies of the Decade | The Big Picture · 1:14:24 · unknown (Alexander or Karaszewski) (0.40 sure it was them)

Raging Bull (1980): 1 line

  1. theme (anti-genre) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Raging Bull (the maker said so). Scorsese shot in black and white to differentiate from Rocky-era bright red-white-and-blue boxing movies, and producer Winkler produced both.
    “Number one, I want to differentiate from the Rockies and all the other sort of boxing movies right now.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Raging Bull with David Krumholtz · 1:08:55 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Rocky Balboa (2006): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ Rocky Balboa (the host's read). The little girl Marie from Rocky grows up to be the love interest in Rocky Balboa.
    “she then becomes the Rocky Balboa love interest.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 1:14:31 · Van Lathan (0.45 sure it was them)

The Devil Wears Prada (2006): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Working Girl (1988), which they were tied to as casting what-if for Tess; speakers would not buy her: Working Girl ⇒ The Devil Wears Prada (the host's read). Working Girl sprinkled its DNA over later beloved movies, Pretty Woman and Devil Wears Prada chief among them.
    “And it's just sprinkling DNA over all these beloved movies over the next 40 years, but those were Pretty Woman and Devil wears Prada were the 2 that I was like, oh, yeah.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 0:13:35 · Joanna Robinson (0.40 sure it was them)

The Karate Kid (1984): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Rocky (1976), which they were tied to as auditioned for Adrian: Rocky ⇒ The Karate Kid (the host's read). Rocky is eight years before Karate Kid, which is called the 2.0 version of the same underdog story but a completely different movie in every respect.
    “We're 8 years away from karate kid, which is the next, the 2.0 version of this movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan · 0:11:32 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

Working Girl (1990 NBC series): 1 line

  1. programming (programming) · through Working Girl (1988), which they were tied to as casting what-if for Tess; speakers would not buy her: Working Girl ⇒ Working Girl (1990 NBC series) (the host's read). Working Girl became a 1990 NBC series, with Sandra Bullock as Tess.
    “Working Girl became an NBC series in 1990”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:11:10 · Bill Simmons (0.70 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Acting (5) everyone in acting

Other (4) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

people (1)

  1. people (people): Mermaids → Cher. Mermaids features Cher, Winona Ryder and Christina Ricci.
    “I have the memory of Cher and Monona Rrider and Christina Ricci all on the screen”
    The Big Picture · The 1990 Movie Draft · 1:25:11 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): Cher → Working Girl. Cher was too famous to buy as Tess.
    “I just wouldn't buy her as tests.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson · 1:33:30 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Cher → The War of the Roses. Cher was in the mix for Barbara Rose for a while.
    “Cher was in the mix for Barbara Rosa for a little while.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The War of the Roses’ With Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Amanda Dobbins · 1:05:20 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Karen Lynn Gorney → Cher. Kimmel floats Cher as an older Stephanie.
    “What about like Cher?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Saturday Night Fever’ With Bill Simmons and Jimmy Kimmel · 1:03:04 · Jimmy Kimmel (0.60 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

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