Batman Begins (2005)

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Wikidata Q166262, film, IMDb tt0372784, TMDB 272: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 3 more episodes agree.

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Who talked about it

Blank Check with Griffin & David

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The Big Picture

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

No line says it drew on another film or person.

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

RoboCop: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Batman Begins ⇒ RoboCop (the host's read). The remake is part of the grounded-and-serious wave that followed Nolan; the speakers say this film marks the end of it.
    “The Batman begins effect.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:47:48 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Connected to

Iron Man: 3 lines theme ×1 contrast ×1 lineage ×1

  1. theme (theme): Batman Begins → Iron Man. Both the late-90s Batman films and the X-Men films hid the comic-book look; Marvel instead embraced what was authentic about its characters.
    “They're very abashed to be like, this is a comic book movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:52 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 2 lines lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): RoboCop → Batman Begins. The black rubber suit and the motorcycle read as Nolan's Batman, not as a robot.
    “And then the suit looks very Nolan Batman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:52:38 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Gary Oldman: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Gary Oldman → Batman Begins. Oldman's Gordon role changed his career after a stretch as a studio villain, and RoboCop asks him to play Gordon again without the mustache.
    “He's just kind of Gordon without a mustache being like, Robocop, I'm really trying to help you here.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:24:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Rise of the Planet of the Apes: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (franchise bet): Batman Begins → Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Studios double down on a so-so first film (Batman Begins, Rise) when they see something.
    “But they just knew, like, we're onto something here, double down, and then like Dark Knight explodes.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Planet of the Apes with Matt Singer · 1:29:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Batman Begins → The Avengers. DC's Nolan-started universe began five years before Marvel's shared universe; had DC known, they would have jumped on it.
    “if DC had any inkling of what Marvel was to create 5 years later that they would have jumped on this shared universe IP right away.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:14 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

The Lego Batman Movie: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Lego Batman Movie → Batman Begins. The pit-and-rope lesson in Batman Begins is the one other time Batman learns anything about himself.
    “Then it begins does.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Lego Batman Movie · 1:26:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Wonder Woman: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Batman Begins. Wonder Woman is the first DC movie since the Nolan films that understands what it is.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st movie that they've made.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:27 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Gary Oldman → Batman Begins. Oldman's Gordon role changed his career after a stretch as a studio villain, and RoboCop asks him to play Gordon again without the mustache.
    “He's just kind of Gordon without a mustache being like, Robocop, I'm really trying to help you here.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:24:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → Batman Begins. Studios used to fuck with comic origin movies to squeeze them into classic arcs, as in the Batman films, while Iron Man tore up the shooting draft.
    “And so that's why you have the Batman movies where it's like fucking with the origin movie by movie or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:37:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): RoboCop → Batman Begins. The black rubber suit and the motorcycle read as Nolan's Batman, not as a robot.
    “And then the suit looks very Nolan Batman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:52:38 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

industry (2)

  1. industry (franchise bet): Batman Begins → Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Studios double down on a so-so first film (Batman Begins, Rise) when they see something.
    “But they just knew, like, we're onto something here, double down, and then like Dark Knight explodes.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Planet of the Apes with Matt Singer · 1:29:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Batman Begins → The Avengers. DC's Nolan-started universe began five years before Marvel's shared universe; had DC known, they would have jumped on it.
    “if DC had any inkling of what Marvel was to create 5 years later that they would have jumped on this shared universe IP right away.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:14 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (3)

  1. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Batman Begins. Wonder Woman is the first DC movie since the Nolan films that understands what it is.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st movie that they've made.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:27 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): RoboCop → Batman Begins. The remake is part of the grounded-and-serious wave that followed Nolan; the speakers say this film marks the end of it.
    “The Batman begins effect.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:47:48 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → Batman Begins. The suit-development process scenes are a funny version of Batman Begins' gadget-building.
    “This is like funny version of Batman begins.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:05:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Batman Begins → Iron Man. Both the late-90s Batman films and the X-Men films hid the comic-book look; Marvel instead embraced what was authentic about its characters.
    “They're very abashed to be like, this is a comic book movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:52 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): The Lego Batman Movie → Batman Begins. The pit-and-rope lesson in Batman Begins is the one other time Batman learns anything about himself.
    “Then it begins does.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Lego Batman Movie · 1:26:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Batman Begins: A nosebleed story: opening night of Batman Begins, a guy dressed as the Joker and the speaker covered in blood.
    “The guy dressed as Joker.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Return of the Jedi · 1:48:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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