Iron Man (2008)

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Wikidata Q192724, film, IMDb tt0371746, TMDB 1726: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Paul Bettany as actor (voice of Jarvis) (Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman); 16 more episodes agree.

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In the store as #502, Iron Man (2008).

The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘Iron Man’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan (2023-05-02):

Double feature

  1. pick The Dark Knight: Pair the two 2008 superhero movies that changed everything, the peak of the genre.
    “You could do a 2008 double feature. You could do Iron Man, Dark Knight.”
    unknown · 1:37:34

Most rewatchable scene

  1. pick The first six minutes: the truck in the Middle East, the Maxim montage, the ambush.
    “I love when movies just start and are really, really good right away.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:37:07
  2. pick The Mark I suit's first flight, when it takes out the Ten Rings captors.
    “I'm talking about the Mark one suit when that suit 1st comes out and fucks over these guys that are from the Ten Rings organization.”
    Van Lathan · 0:37:57
  3. pick Tony activating the Mark I suit to escape the cave, with Yinsen's sacrifice.
    “I had that scene that I called that the time to activate the Iron Man suit gimmick.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:38:24
  4. floated Pepper Potts sends the Vanity Fair reporter packing.
    “It's not the most rewatchable, but I do like when Pepper Pots sends the Vanity Fair reporter packing.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:03
  5. floated Pepper replacing the arc reactor in Tony's chest.
    “The Pepper replacing Tony's heart.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:41:36
  6. floated Tony test-drives the flying suit: the ice buildup, crashing through the house, crushing the car.
    “Tony test drives the flying the new suit thing.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:43:06
  7. floated Someone trying to download files on a computer with seconds left while a person walks by.
    “I like when people are trying to download something on a computer. And it's like 90 seconds left.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:43:30
  8. pick The entire sequence of Tony as a captive, where the Tony Stark of the MCU is created.
    “My most rewatchable scene is the entire sequence with Tony as a captive.”
    Van Lathan · 0:45:39
  9. floated The Nick Fury post-credits scene teasing the Avengers initiative.
    “That, to be honest with you, should be one of the most rewatchable scenes.”
    Van Lathan · 0:54:14

Roger Ebert review · The hosts read Roger Ebert's review of the film.

  1. pick Iron Man: Four stars; Ebert says Downey's performance powers the liftoff that separates it from other superhero movies.
    “Okay, Roger Ebert.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:36:39

What aged the best · What about the movie has held up best.

  1. pick The ad-libbed 'I am Iron Man' ending: Bill reads that the line was Downey's ad-lib that day.
    “I am Iron Man was ad-lib by Robert Diner Jr. that day.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:48:02
  2. pick The scenes between Downey and Terrence Howard: He believes in the friendship and doesn't see it as a shoehorned loyal friend.
    “I really like all the scenes with Downey and Terrence Howard, and I can't, we'll do we'll do it later.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:48:11
  3. pick Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper Potts: Wishes he had a Pepper Potts in his life; calls the film a rom-com trapped in a superhero movie. Comes back to her a second time.
    “I wish I had a pepper pots in my life.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:48:28
  4. pick The Mad Money host selling weapons stocks
    “The Mad Money guy is really funny.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:50:36
  5. pick Tony Stark's Malibu house: Offered as the best superhero house, over Wayne Manor and the Batcave.
    “I mean, is that the best superhero house of any house?”
    Bill Simmons · 0:50:48
  6. pick Jeff Bridges as Obadiah Stane: The bald, bearded villain look; one of the few times Bridges plays a bad guy.
    “Bald bearded evil Jeff Bridges has aged the best.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:52:02
  7. pick The MCU itself: Aged perfectly as it grew in significance, then hit a rough patch; this is its first film. Named as both aged best and worst.
    “The MCU aged perfectly because it was able to like grow in significance and relevance and dominance, but then it hit some snacks.”
    Van Lathan · 0:56:14

Big Kahuna Burger Award · Best use of food and drink in the movie.

  1. winner The cheeseburger at the press conference after Tony gets back: Argues that the first thing anyone out of captivity wants is a cheeseburger.
    “He that he press conference and a cheeseburger.”
    Van Lathan · 0:57:59

Dennis Thieves Benny scene-stealing location / Great Shot Gordo Award · Best shot and best scene-stealing location, both the same here.

  1. winner The wide shot of the Malibu house as the Vanity Fair reporter wakes up
    “The Malibu House, when we see the when the Vanity Fair reporter wakes up and there's just windows and shit, and then we get the wide shot.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:59:23

Butch's Girlfriend Award · The weak link of the film.

  1. winner The final showdown with Jeff Bridges' Iron Monger: Fine but not great; the real villain is Tony's past.
    “It's the, the ending's fine.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:00:18

What aged the worst · What about the movie has held up worst.

  1. pick Being a billionaire is cool: Possibly the last movie where a billionaire is someone to root for.
    “This is one of the last movies where being a billionaire is cool.”
    unknown · 0:59:51
  2. pick Tony Stark's comic-accurate facial hair
    “Daddy's facial hair has aged the worse for me.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:01:06
  3. pick The MySpace reference
    “Um, but no, so MySpace aged the worst.”
    Van Lathan · 1:03:51
  4. pick Tony Stark's pre-MeToo behavior toward women and Pepper
    “Tony is definitely a pre-MeToo.”
    Van Lathan · 1:03:57
  5. pick The MCU itself: Same answer as aged best: it is now a chore getting through the movies.
    “And now it's kind of a chore getting through the movies.”
    Van Lathan · 0:56:25

Ron Burgundy Award (best time for a pee break) · The best moment to leave the room.

  1. pick No good break: the movie is lean and moves fast
    “I don't know, this movie moves pretty well.”
    unknown · 1:04:39

Best quote · Favorite line of the movie.

  1. winner Is it better to be feared or respected? Is it too much to ask for both?
    “And I say, is it too much to ask for both?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:04:54

SAS Hottest Take Award · The hottest take about the movie.

  1. pick After Terrence Howard, Marvel stopped casting light-skinned Black men in major roles: Bill calls it a fantastic hottest take.
    “For some reason, after this movie, Marvel refused to cast a light-skinned black man in a major role.”
    Van Lathan · 1:05:14
  2. pick George Clooney as Tony Stark: If Clooney had taken the $500K he'd have gotten Iron Man over Downey; Danny Ocean with toys.
    “George Clooney, mid 2000s.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:08:22

Vincent Hanna / Saul Rubinek Overacting Award · Best overacting in the film.

  1. winner The Ten Rings leader (Raza) dialing it up: A clip of a screaming rant plays; Van says the Ten Rings leader dials it up.
    “They knew.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:09:40

Best That Guy · Best that-guy performance.

  1. nominee Raza, the Ten Rings leader
    “The that guy's name is Raza.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:10:07
  2. winner Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson: Known now as Coulson but also definitely a that guy.
    “And then Clark Gregg, I think, is our winner?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:10:10

Casting what ifs · Almost-castings and recasts.

  1. pick Sam Rockwell as Tony Stark: Favreau's initial choice until Downey's screen test.
    “Fabro wanted Sam Rockwell initially because people like Sam Rockwell in the mid 2000s and then Downey killed it and the screen test and that was that.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:10:31
  2. pick Rachel McAdams as Pepper Potts: Favreau's first choice; she turned it down. Van says she should have played Pepper.
    “Favre's 1st choice for pepper pots was not. Quinn Paltrow.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:10:41
  3. pick Terrence Howard as James Rhodes: Highest paid in the cast, promised a three-picture deal, then replaced in the sequel.
    “Highest paid actor in the set, promised a 3 picture deal.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:11:05
  4. pick Scarlett Johansson as the Vanity Fair reporter: Recast the reporter role (played by Leslie Bibb) with a bigger star for three scenes.
    “Let's put Scarlet in there for 3 scenes.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:12:35
  5. pick Jessica Chastain as Pepper Potts
    “But Jessica Chastain would have been interesting for pepper pots.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:12:55
  6. pick Beth from Yellowstone as Pepper Potts: He is watching her in Flight while scouting it and likes the actress.
    “Beth from Yellowstone was dope.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:14:13

Apex Mountain · Whether this film is the peak of someone's career, with more juice after it than ever.

  1. winner Robert Downey Jr.: Rejects Van's push for Endgame as his apex because this movie gave him the juice for everything after.
    “Okay, so you have more juice after you do this.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:21:16
  2. winner Jon Favreau: Went from small movies to an A-plus-list director.
    “And I say the same for Favreau.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:21:22
  3. nominee Terrence Howard: Probably earlier, in the mid-2000s (Hustle & Flow, Crash).
    “Terrence Howard?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:21:59

Hollywood comebacks · Whether this is the biggest Hollywood comeback of all time and what beats it.

  1. pick Ben Affleck: Argo winning best picture; Van calls him a homer for it.
    “I was thinking Affleck, getting the Argo, Argo being best film, winning the Oscar and making a ton of money.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:22:54
  2. pick Brendan Fraser
    “So Brandon Frazier?”
    unknown · 1:22:52
  3. pick Mickey Rourke as The Wrestler
    “Mickey Rort?”
    unknown · 1:23:16
  4. pick Marlon Brando: On the outs before The Godfather.
    “Wasn't Brando kind of like on the outs for a while before Godfather?”
    unknown · 1:23:45
  5. winner John Travolta as Vincent Vega: Pulp Fiction called the best comeback; Michael Keaton also mentioned.
    “Travolta is the best one, though.”
    unknown · 1:24:17

Malibu houses in movies · Best house in a movie, Malibu edition.

  1. winner Tony Stark's Malibu house: Like Dr. Evil's compound crossed with a beach house; its own character.
    “I think this has to be number one”
    unknown · 1:25:10

Best racehorse name · Which name from the movie would make the best racehorse.

  1. nominee Jericho
    “Jericho?”
    unknown · 1:25:25
  2. nominee Pepper Potts: A great filly name.
    “Pepper Pots is a great Philly name.”
    unknown · 1:25:31
  3. nominee Iron Monger: Too evil; might flip out with the other horses.
    “Iron Monger.”
    unknown · 1:25:33

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a movie they love.

  1. pick Why Tony demonstrates the Jericho missile in Afghanistan in person
    “Why was Tony demonstrating the new Jericho missile in Afghanistan?”
    Van Lathan · 1:25:46
  2. pick Tony has no full beard after three months in the cave
    “Why doesn't Tony have like a full beard after 3 months?”
    Van Lathan · 1:26:15
  3. pick Tony never sees a doctor about his arc reactor heart
    “Like, not going to see a couple heart surgeons, like, hey, man.”
    Van Lathan · 1:27:06
  4. pick Tony speeds from Malibu to downtown LA with no traffic
    “Maybe sure he is, but he's the traffic is appalling in this movie.”
    Van Lathan · 1:27:38
  5. pick Tony gets cell calls in the suit at supersonic speed
    “Tony can get cell phones, cell phone calls in his Iron Man suit while I was going 890 miles an hour in the Middle East.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:29:12
  6. pick Tony's Malibu house has no security
    “Um, why didn't Tony's Malibu house have better security?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:29:42
  7. pick How the arc reactor and the chest hole work: Confused by whether Tony still has his heart and why the hole is so big.
    “Well, I was confused and I'm a relatively smart person.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:31:09
  8. pick Tony practices with the suit for weeks while Obadiah is ready to roll right away
    “So Tony learns how to use the suit for weeks just in the basement crashing around.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:31:27
  9. pick Giving the world's smartest engineer the chance to build a weapon for you: His biggest nit, also raised during the captive-sequence discussion.
    “That's always been the biggest knit that I would pick like with this movie.”
    Van Lathan · 1:31:59

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all Black cast or untouchable · Whether to make a sequel, prequel, prestige TV show, an all-Black cast version, or leave it untouchable.

  1. pick All-Black cast version, with Pepper Potts as a Black woman whose friends tell her to drop Tony: Bill notes there have been plenty of sequels already.
    “I did think with the all black casting, if Pepper Pots was black, how that would go.”
    Van Lathan · 1:32:11

Is this movie better with… · Whether a famous cameo makes the movie better.

  1. winner Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury: Better with Sam Jackson shoehorned into the last scene.
    “Sam Jackson. This movie was better with Sam Jackson.”
    unknown · 1:33:02

Just one Oscar · Who gets the one Oscar from this movie.

  1. winner Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark
    “Downey?”
    Van Lathan · 1:33:11

Unanswerable questions · Questions the movie leaves open.

  1. pick Where did Pepper Potts live?: Van argues for Cheviot Hills or Beverlywood so she can reach Malibu and downtown.
    “Where did pepper pots live?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:33:19
  2. pick How much money does Pepper Potts make a year?: Guesses range from half a million to five million.
    “How much money do you think Pepper Pots makes per year?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:34:26
  3. pick Did Jarvis create AI?: Van explains Jarvis becoming Vision in Age of Ultron.
    “Did Jarvis create a eye?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:35:34

Memorabilia · A prop they would own.

  1. pick The first arc reactor, framed with 'proof that Tony Stark has a heart'
    “What about the 1st electromagnetic heart jumper thing that's in the frame out, though?”
    Van Lathan · 1:37:50
  2. pick Obadiah's sonic incapacitating device
    “I like Obadiah's little device.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:41:37

Best life lesson · The best life lesson from the movie.

  1. pick Don't make weapons, and if you do, keep them to yourself
    “Don't make weapons.”
    Van Lathan · 1:42:02
  2. pick Figure out the Pepper Potts thing, Tony
    “My life last one would be, you got to figure out the pepper pots thing, Tony.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:42:16

Who won the movie · Whether Downey or Marvel came out ahead.

  1. pick Marvel, which built a whole universe out of it
    “It's probably Marvel, but he is so rich.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:42:44
  2. pick Robert Downey Jr.: Given where he started.
    “I mean, for like where he started, it's probably downy.”
    Craig Horlbeck · 1:42:57

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

RoboCop: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): RoboCop ⇒ Iron Man (the host's read). The Ironmonger voice and suit recall ED-209, and the finale is ED-209 versus RoboCop.
    “You know what the voice is? He's Ed 209.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:53:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line the maker said so ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Stan Lee ⇒ Iron Man (the maker said so: Stan Lee interviews). The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Iron Man 3: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). The Iron Man trilogy is closed into a circle by the flashback to the party and Becca Hall and Pierce.
    “as individualistic as this movie is, it actually like... It's bringing the 1st 2 complete.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:18:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Ghostface Killah: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. people (people): Iron Man ⇒ Ghostface Killah (the host's read). Ghostface is the Wu-Tang member particularly obsessed with Iron Man, who is the avatar of many of his songs.
    “Iron Man is like the like his hero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:40:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Teen Titans Go! To the Movies: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man ⇒ Teen Titans Go! To the Movies (the host's read). That film parodies the page-flipping Marvel logo, which opens Iron Man.
    “They, uh, they do a really good parody of that in, um, Teen Titans go the movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:08:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). The post-credits Nick Fury scene established the shared-universe model that changed Hollywood for a decade or more.
    “I mean, this has changed the next 10 years of Hollywood filmmaking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:13:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

modern superhero movies: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man ⇒ modern superhero movies (the host's read). Called the prototype format every later superhero film riffs on.
    “this is the prototype for the modern superhero movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:11 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

Connected to

The Avengers: 5 lines craft ×2 industry ×2 contrast ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Avengers → Iron Man. Iron Man gives Marvel the template; Avengers sets the 80% spectacle / 20% funny template for the rest.
    “It's like 80%'s got spectacle, 20% funny.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 2:01:33 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man 3: 4 lines theme ×3 lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 3 → Iron Man. The Iron Man trilogy is closed into a circle by the flashback to the party and Becca Hall and Pierce.
    “as individualistic as this movie is, it actually like... It's bringing the 1st 2 complete.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:18:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Incredible Hulk: 4 lines theme ×1 programming ×1 industry ×1 contrast ×1

  1. theme (shared MCU characters): The Incredible Hulk → Iron Man. The two characters appearing in the first two MCU films were Hulk and Iron Man.
    “It's the Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, you fools.”
    The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 1:05:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Batman Begins: 3 lines theme ×1 contrast ×1 lineage ×1

  1. theme (theme): Batman Begins → Iron Man. Both the late-90s Batman films and the X-Men films hid the comic-book look; Marvel instead embraced what was authentic about its characters.
    “They're very abashed to be like, this is a comic book movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:52 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 3 lines verdict ×2 industry ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Cap is ranked above all other Phase One films except Iron Man, which is more consistent.
    “I like this the most of all the phase one Marvel movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2: 3 lines theme ×1 contrast ×1 programming ×1

  1. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Stark arc: Iron Man 1 changing worldview, Iron Man 2 hubristic, Avengers trying not to care.
    “Then Iron Man 2 is just like, he doesn't give a fuck anymore.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:27:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Jon Favreau: 3 lines unmapped ×1 career ×1 craft ×1

  1. unmapped (champion): Jon Favreau → Iron Man. Favreau sold Marvel hard on Downey with about 20 screen tests; Marvel relented.
    “Favreau goes to bathroom, sells them really hard because this is the only guy, he does like 20 screen tests, and Marvel finally relents.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:42 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Avengers: Infinity War: 2 lines industry ×1 craft ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man → Avengers: Infinity War. Superhero movies as a genre are compared to 1940s-50s musicals: most vulnerable when strongest.
    “are never more vulnerable than when they seem strongest.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:55:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Ghostface Killah: 2 lines people ×1 what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Iron Man → Ghostface Killah. A Ghostface Killah song should have been the film's music, given his devotion to Iron Man.
    “It should have they should have gotten a Ghostface Killer song.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:47:56 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: 2 lines industry ×1 contrast ×1

  1. industry (industry): Scott Pilgrim vs. the World → Iron Man. Sean says two years earlier audiences were stunned that a comic hero could be sarcastic, and Scott Pilgrim is self-aware and glib in a way Watchmen, Batman and Superman were not.
    “only 2 years before that, people were blown away that Iron Man was kind of a dick with a sarcastic attitude.”
    The Big Picture · Celebrating ‘Scott Pilgrim vs. the World’ 10 Years Later With Edgar Wright · 0:17:23 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

AC/DC: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man → AC/DC. Instead of an original hero theme, the score identity is the song Iron Man, which becomes a lot of AC/DC.
    “This is not a movie with a particularly recognizable theme, partly because they decide the theme should just be the song Iron Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:47:47 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Alan Silvestri: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Alan Silvestri → Iron Man. Silvestri's Avengers theme is the recognizable hero theme that Iron Man lacks.
    “I love Alan Sylvestri's Avengers theme.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:48:15 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Blade: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Blade → Iron Man. Blade came ten years before Iron Man, the first Marvel property to follow.
    “And this is 10 full years before Iron Man.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:02:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Captain Marvel: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Iron Man → Captain Marvel. Mentions Captain Marvel's upcoming 90s setting and Kamala Khan idolizing her as a possible future movie.
    “And then like models herself after Captain Marvel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:01:42 · unknown (Griffin) (0.50 sure it was them)

Disney-era MCU films: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → Disney-era MCU films. Iron Man shows a promiscuous, drinking Stark that the Disney-era films would not.
    “introducing the character through the whiskey glass is something I think would not happen in the Disney days.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:26 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

Fantastic Four: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Fantastic Four → Iron Man. Argues the Fantastic Four wouldn't work if established as the 25th superhero group.
    “I also don't think the Fantastic Four would like work if you establish that they're like the 25th superhero group on the block.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:57:47 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Ghostbusters: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man → Ghostbusters. Like Ghostbusters, it lets you learn each piece of tech step by step so the payoff means something.
    “This is like the same shit that makes Ghostbusters great”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:08:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Iron Man. It opened to Iron Man-sized numbers, defying fears it was too weird to cross over.
    “It opened to like Iron Man numbers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 2:07:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Gwyneth Paltrow: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Gwyneth Paltrow → Iron Man. She uses the cachet of this movie to launch Goop.
    “she uses the cache of this movie to Launch Goop.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:17:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Jeff Bridges: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Jeff Bridges → Iron Man. Argues Bridges is wrongly ranked bottom five in Marvel villain lists; it is one of the best performances.
    “It's one of the best performances.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:44:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (snubbed-performance): Iron Man → Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Downey deserved nominations for the magnetic performances in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Iron Man.
    “Robert Downey Jr. should have been nominated for Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang. He should have been nominated for Iron Man.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 1:25:50 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Maid of Honor: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Iron Man → Maid of Honor. The weekend's counter-programming: Iron Man $98M, Made of Honor $14M second, Baby Mama, Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, Forgetting Sarah Marshall.
    “Number 2 is a classic piece of counter programming opens number 2 at 14 million, which is called Native Honor.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:07:47 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Matthew Libatique: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Matthew Libatique → Iron Man. Libatique shot it; later Marvel films use it as a template but a watered-down version.
    “And the Marvel movies start looking a lot more generic after this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:43:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Paul Bettany: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career-turn): Paul Bettany → Iron Man. Bettany's revival came when Jon Favreau called to cast him as the voice of Jarvis, which also led to Vision.
    “Favreau called me and was like, no, Sweden.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 0:54:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Robert Downey Jr.: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Iron Man → Robert Downey Jr.. Downey was a gamble at that stage of his career.
    “Robert Downey Jr. was it sort of a, you know, that was a crapshoot when Iron Man one came out.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:01 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): RoboCop → Iron Man. The remake arrives six years after Iron Man nailed the cool-guy-in-a-robot-suit idea and gets nowhere close.
    “Iron Man has nailed what they're trying to do and they're coming to the party 6 years late and not getting anywhere close, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:56:30 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

RoboCop: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → RoboCop. The Ironmonger voice and suit recall ED-209, and the finale is ED-209 versus RoboCop.
    “You know what the voice is? He's Ed 209.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:53:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Sam Raimi: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man → Sam Raimi. The paralyzed-Stark crawling sequence has Raimi's shaky expressive camera and Evil Dead Ash-crawling feel.
    “The sequence feels very Sam Raimi, actually.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:47:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Sam Rockwell: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (casting-alternative): Sam Rockwell → Iron Man. Rockwell was reportedly seriously considered for Tony Stark, hence his part in the second film.
    “I know Sam Rockwell was very seriously talked about.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:21:33 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → Stan Lee. The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)

Star Trek: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Iron Man → Star Trek. Both use real industrial locations (a factory) as sets rather than green screen; Star Trek's engineering was a Budweiser plant.
    “like in Star Trek, which is the year after this, where engineering is a Budweiser factor.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:55:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Teen Titans Go! To the Movies: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Teen Titans Go! To the Movies → Iron Man. That film parodies the page-flipping Marvel logo, which opens Iron Man.
    “They, uh, they do a really good parody of that in, um, Teen Titans go the movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:08:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Soloist: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (release-timing): The Soloist → Iron Man. The Soloist was shot before Iron Man and was pushed back to ride the bump.
    “That was originally supposed to come out before Iron Man. pushed it back so it could receive the bump of him being figured out.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:23:40 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Thor: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Iron Man → Thor. The hosts preview the next trio: Thor, Captain America, Avengers; one hates Thor.
    “So what our next three is going to be Thor, Captain America, Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:48:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Tom Cruise: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Iron Man → Tom Cruise. Iron Man was at New Line for Nick Cassavetes and Tom Cruise, who wanted it forever, and would have been less faithful.
    “It was supposed to be a Nick Castavetti's movie starring Tom Cruise.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:13:52 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

Venom: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Iron Man → Venom. Marvel third acts have the villain become a bigger version of the hero and they punch; Venom does the same.
    “even like Venom, which I know isn't Marvel, does the exact same thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:32:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

W.: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (cultural handoff): W. → Iron Man. After the Bush years, audiences wanted a new big-screen hero, Tony Stark, teasing the next episode.
    “Not to mention time for a bold, new big screen hero.”
    The Big Picture · 5. ‘No Country for Old Men’ and ‘W.’ | Mission Accomplished · 0:45:08 · Brian Raftery (0.95 sure it was them)

Watchmen: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Watchmen → Iron Man. Snyder, while promoting Watchmen, doubted Marvel's B-list characters; then Iron Man made $300 million.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

X-Men: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): X-Men → Iron Man. The X-Men films' approach of introducing everyone at once was the standard until Marvel changed it.
    “that approach is really the kind of, what the standard approach for superhero films was up until that time”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:03:24 · Jason Concepcion (0.60 sure it was them)

modern superhero movies: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → modern superhero movies. Called the prototype format every later superhero film riffs on.
    “this is the prototype for the modern superhero movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:11 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

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career (4)

  1. career (career-turn): Paul Bettany → Iron Man. Bettany's revival came when Jon Favreau called to cast him as the voice of Jarvis, which also led to Vision.
    “Favreau called me and was like, no, Sweden.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World with John Hodgman · 0:54:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Iron Man → Robert Downey Jr.. Downey was a gamble at that stage of his career.
    “Robert Downey Jr. was it sort of a, you know, that was a crapshoot when Iron Man one came out.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:01 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Iron Man → Jon Favreau. Iron Man's director had only Swingers and Jumanji behind him.
    “a director whose experience with swingers and Jumanji.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:54:48 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Gwyneth Paltrow → Iron Man. She uses the cachet of this movie to launch Goop.
    “she uses the cache of this movie to Launch Goop.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:17:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

contrast (7)

  1. contrast (contrast): Scott Pilgrim vs. the World → Iron Man. Jason says Iron Man and Watchmen spend time on origin and world setup, while Scott Pilgrim drops you in the middle with no explanation.
    “Scott Pilgrim just drops you into it.”
    The Big Picture · Celebrating ‘Scott Pilgrim vs. the World’ 10 Years Later With Edgar Wright · 0:18:38 · Jason Concepcion (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Iron Man 2 → Iron Man. The first film is Tony alone in the lab being weird; this one has a drunken party and fight, the opposite of what people liked.
    “The 1st one is him alone in the lab being weird. and they get to that eventually in this movie, like eventually.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 0:58:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → Disney-era MCU films. Iron Man shows a promiscuous, drinking Stark that the Disney-era films would not.
    “introducing the character through the whiskey glass is something I think would not happen in the Disney days.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:26 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → Batman Begins. Studios used to fuck with comic origin movies to squeeze them into classic arcs, as in the Batman films, while Iron Man tore up the shooting draft.
    “And so that's why you have the Batman movies where it's like fucking with the origin movie by movie or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:37:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Alan Silvestri → Iron Man. Silvestri's Avengers theme is the recognizable hero theme that Iron Man lacks.
    “I love Alan Sylvestri's Avengers theme.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:48:15 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → The Avengers. Iron Man's lo-fi highway fight vs the later hole-in-the-sky stakes inflation seeded by Avengers.
    “And now the stakes don't mean anything because every movie has that level of things.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:54:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): Iron Man → The Incredible Hulk. Hulk is what Marvel wanted all its movies to look like, and it is generic and lacks personality; Iron Man came out first and lucked into its looseness.
    “that's what they, I think, wanted all these movies to look like, and it's so generic and lacking in any sort of personality.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:04:50 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (10)

  1. craft (craft): The Avengers → Iron Man. Iron Man gives Marvel the template; Avengers sets the 80% spectacle / 20% funny template for the rest.
    “It's like 80%'s got spectacle, 20% funny.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 2:01:33 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Teen Titans Go! To the Movies → Iron Man. That film parodies the page-flipping Marvel logo, which opens Iron Man.
    “They, uh, they do a really good parody of that in, um, Teen Titans go the movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:08:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Iron Man → Jon Favreau. The lab sequence is shot like a horror movie, showing Favreau wanted a badass film after kid-friendly work like Elf.
    “Yeah, I like that he shoots this like a horror movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:43:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Matthew Libatique → Iron Man. Libatique shot it; later Marvel films use it as a template but a watered-down version.
    “And the Marvel movies start looking a lot more generic after this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:43:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Iron Man → AC/DC. Instead of an original hero theme, the score identity is the song Iron Man, which becomes a lot of AC/DC.
    “This is not a movie with a particularly recognizable theme, partly because they decide the theme should just be the song Iron Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:47:47 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Iron Man → The Avengers. Lacks a recognizable hero theme (uses the AC/DC song instead); a hoped-for harmonizing of every hero's theme would have been exciting at Avengers.
    “I love Alan Sylvestri's Avengers theme.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:48:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Iron Man → Star Trek. Both use real industrial locations (a factory) as sets rather than green screen; Star Trek's engineering was a Budweiser plant.
    “like in Star Trek, which is the year after this, where engineering is a Budweiser factor.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:55:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Iron Man → Ghostbusters. Like Ghostbusters, it lets you learn each piece of tech step by step so the payoff means something.
    “This is like the same shit that makes Ghostbusters great”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:08:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Iron Man → Sam Raimi. The paralyzed-Stark crawling sequence has Raimi's shaky expressive camera and Evil Dead Ash-crawling feel.
    “The sequence feels very Sam Raimi, actually.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:47:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. craft (craft): Iron Man → Avengers: Infinity War. Prefers Iron Man's visible plate-and-gear machinery to Infinity War's seamless nanobite suit.
    “I like it so much more when it's the thing where like one plate has to like rise up”
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industry (13)

  1. industry (release-timing): The Soloist → Iron Man. The Soloist was shot before Iron Man and was pushed back to ride the bump.
    “That was originally supposed to come out before Iron Man. pushed it back so it could receive the bump of him being figured out.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:23:40 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Scott Pilgrim vs. the World → Iron Man. Sean says two years earlier audiences were stunned that a comic hero could be sarcastic, and Scott Pilgrim is self-aware and glib in a way Watchmen, Batman and Superman were not.
    “only 2 years before that, people were blown away that Iron Man was kind of a dick with a sarcastic attitude.”
    The Big Picture · Celebrating ‘Scott Pilgrim vs. the World’ 10 Years Later With Edgar Wright · 0:17:23 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Blade → Iron Man. Blade came ten years before Iron Man, the first Marvel property to follow.
    “And this is 10 full years before Iron Man.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:02:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): X-Men → Iron Man. The X-Men films' approach of introducing everyone at once was the standard until Marvel changed it.
    “that approach is really the kind of, what the standard approach for superhero films was up until that time”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:03:24 · Jason Concepcion (0.60 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Watchmen → Iron Man. Snyder, while promoting Watchmen, doubted Marvel's B-list characters; then Iron Man made $300 million.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Iron Man → Avengers: Infinity War. Superhero movies as a genre are compared to 1940s-50s musicals: most vulnerable when strongest.
    “are never more vulnerable than when they seem strongest.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:55:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): RoboCop → Iron Man. The remake arrives six years after Iron Man nailed the cool-guy-in-a-robot-suit idea and gets nowhere close.
    “Iron Man has nailed what they're trying to do and they're coming to the party 6 years late and not getting anywhere close, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · RoboCop (2014) · 0:56:30 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Iron Man. It opened to Iron Man-sized numbers, defying fears it was too weird to cross over.
    “It opened to like Iron Man numbers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 2:07:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. industry (industry): Iron Man → Captain America: The First Avenger. Marvel put up character rights (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor) as collateral for a $1B Merrill Lynch loan to self-finance.
    “And what they put up as collateral was the rights to the characters.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:19:54 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. industry (industry): Iron Man → The Incredible Hulk. Hulk remained at Universal, which helped make a new Hulk, so Marvel's Paramount five-picture deal excluded it.
    “So Hulk was still set up at Universal, and they were able to be like, we'll help you make a new Hulk.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:21:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. industry (industry): Iron Man → The Avengers. Iron Man dropped the secret identity, treating it as a punchline, unlike Batman and Superman.
    “We're not Batman and Superman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:04:32 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  12. industry (industry): Iron Man → Maid of Honor. The weekend's counter-programming: Iron Man $98M, Made of Honor $14M second, Baby Mama, Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, Forgetting Sarah Marshall.
    “Number 2 is a classic piece of counter programming opens number 2 at 14 million, which is called Native Honor.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:07:47 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  13. industry (industry): Iron Man → The Avengers. The post-credits Nick Fury scene established the shared-universe model that changed Hollywood for a decade or more.
    “I mean, this has changed the next 10 years of Hollywood filmmaking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:13:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

lineage (5)

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 3 → Iron Man. The Iron Man trilogy is closed into a circle by the flashback to the party and Becca Hall and Pierce.
    “as individualistic as this movie is, it actually like... It's bringing the 1st 2 complete.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:18:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → modern superhero movies. Called the prototype format every later superhero film riffs on.
    “this is the prototype for the modern superhero movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:11 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → Stan Lee. The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → Batman Begins. The suit-development process scenes are a funny version of Batman Begins' gadget-building.
    “This is like funny version of Batman begins.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:05:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → RoboCop. The Ironmonger voice and suit recall ED-209, and the finale is ED-209 versus RoboCop.
    “You know what the voice is? He's Ed 209.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:53:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

people (3)

  1. people (casting-alternative): Sam Rockwell → Iron Man. Rockwell was reportedly seriously considered for Tony Stark, hence his part in the second film.
    “I know Sam Rockwell was very seriously talked about.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:21:33 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. people (snubbed-performance): Iron Man → Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Downey deserved nominations for the magnetic performances in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Iron Man.
    “Robert Downey Jr. should have been nominated for Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang. He should have been nominated for Iron Man.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 1:25:50 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): Ghostface Killah → Iron Man. Ghostface is the Wu-Tang member particularly obsessed with Iron Man, who is the avatar of many of his songs.
    “Iron Man is like the like his hero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:40:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

programming (4)

  1. programming (programming): Iron Man → The Incredible Hulk. Both Iron Man's post-credits Fury scene and Tony's Hulk cameo got audiences cheering, building the idea of a shared universe.
    “I was so invested in the idea, which seems hilarious now of a cinematic universe.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:23:12 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Griffin has a point about Paltrow in Iron Man 2 and promises a separate Iron Man 2 commentary.
    “We're going to do an Iron Man 2 commentary so we can talk about the movie I want to talk about there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:18:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Iron Man → Thor. The hosts preview the next trio: Thor, Captain America, Avengers; one hates Thor.
    “So what our next three is going to be Thor, Captain America, Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:48:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Iron Man → Captain Marvel. Mentions Captain Marvel's upcoming 90s setting and Kamala Khan idolizing her as a possible future movie.
    “And then like models herself after Captain Marvel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:01:42 · unknown (Griffin) (0.50 sure it was them)

theme (7)

  1. theme (shared MCU characters): The Incredible Hulk → Iron Man. The two characters appearing in the first two MCU films were Hulk and Iron Man.
    “It's the Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, you fools.”
    The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 1:05:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Batman Begins → Iron Man. Both the late-90s Batman films and the X-Men films hid the comic-book look; Marvel instead embraced what was authentic about its characters.
    “They're very abashed to be like, this is a comic book movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:52 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 2. Stark arc: Iron Man 1 changing worldview, Iron Man 2 hubristic, Avengers trying not to care.
    “Then Iron Man 2 is just like, he doesn't give a fuck anymore.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:27:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 3. Pepper is the secret of why the first film works and of why Iron Man 3 works.
    “Iron Man works best as a character through Pepper.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:18:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Iron Man → Venom. Marvel third acts have the villain become a bigger version of the hero and they punch; Venom does the same.
    “even like Venom, which I know isn't Marvel, does the exact same thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:32:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. theme (theme): Iron Man 3 → Iron Man. Iron Man 3 later parodies the Osama-type Mandarin expectation that Iron Man originally planned (Ten Rings leader, no magic).
    “And then Iron Man 3 wisely parodies that expectation.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:25:03 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): Iron Man → Iron Man 3. Each sequel repeats the Tony-alone-in-the-basement-with-robots plot; Iron Man 3 does it better.
    “Tony Stark is very weird. He mostly sits in his basement building robots.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:33:38 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

unmapped (2)

  1. unmapped (champion): Jon Favreau → Iron Man. Favreau sold Marvel hard on Downey with about 20 screen tests; Marvel relented.
    “Favreau goes to bathroom, sells them really hard because this is the only guy, he does like 20 screen tests, and Marvel finally relents.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:42 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (cultural handoff): W. → Iron Man. After the Bush years, audiences wanted a new big-screen hero, Tony Stark, teasing the next episode.
    “Not to mention time for a bold, new big screen hero.”
    The Big Picture · 5. ‘No Country for Old Men’ and ‘W.’ | Mission Accomplished · 0:45:08 · Brian Raftery (0.95 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Cap is ranked above all other Phase One films except Iron Man, which is more consistent.
    “I like this the most of all the phase one Marvel movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Iron Man is liked more but only just.
    “I think I like Iron Man more than this, but that's it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:35 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Jeff Bridges → Iron Man. Argues Bridges is wrongly ranked bottom five in Marvel villain lists; it is one of the best performances.
    “It's one of the best performances.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:44:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): Iron Man → Tom Cruise. Iron Man was at New Line for Nick Cassavetes and Tom Cruise, who wanted it forever, and would have been less faithful.
    “It was supposed to be a Nick Castavetti's movie starring Tom Cruise.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:13:52 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Iron Man → Ghostface Killah. A Ghostface Killah song should have been the film's music, given his devotion to Iron Man.
    “It should have they should have gotten a Ghostface Killer song.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:47:56 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Fantastic Four → Iron Man. Argues the Fantastic Four wouldn't work if established as the 25th superhero group.
    “I also don't think the Fantastic Four would like work if you establish that they're like the 25th superhero group on the block.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:57:47 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Iron Man: A host recalls his father's reaction to Downey being cast as Iron Man: scraping the bottom of the barrel, the movie is a predetermined flop.
    “they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, huh?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:09 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Iron Man: Downey made the least money of any actor on the first film (Terrence Howard got three times as much), then wanted a proportionate raise for the second.
    “Terrence Howard got 3 times as much as him.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Judging The Judge · 0:22:50 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Iron Man: Iron Man called the highest Q rating for a character nobody cared about in comics.
    “Iron Man is probably the most the highest Q rating for a character that nobody gave a flying F about”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:55:00 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Iron Man: Downey doesn't want to wear the suit; so the suit transformations become all CGI and you never get the flip-up helmet shot.
    “Downey Jr. just clearly doesn't want to wear any portion of the suit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:57:55 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Iron Man: Tie-in memory: a guy in the theater at the Iron Man post-credits scene said 'it's Dr. Strange'; at Hulk someone else yelled 'it's Tony' at the bar cameo and the audience cheered.
    “And the whole audience cheered.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:22:54 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Iron Man: Tom Cruise wanted to do Iron Man forever, and it was set at New Line for Nick Cassavetes before Marvel took the character back.
    “Tom Cruise wanted to do Iron Man forever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:13:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Iron Man: See the end-of-act-two set piece where Pepper has to download files to a USB (ghost drive, isometric folders) and hand Stane the paper without being noticed.
    “a crucial 2nd act, end of the 2nd act set piece in which Pepper Pots has to put a USB into a computer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:38:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Iron Man: Shot in California desert; the actor was buried in a sand dune for eight hours for one shot, while modern Marvel shoots in Atlanta.
    “yes, I will allow myself to be buried in the sand for 8 hours for one shot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:49:03 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Iron Man: The Burger King product placement made the speaker crave Burger King, and the LG phone placement recouped about $1M of budget.
    “I definitely wanted to eat Burger King after seeing this movie”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:51:13 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Iron Man: See the scene where Pepper reaches into Tony's chest to swap the arc reactor, a prosthetic, and quips; the best Tony/Pepper scene.
    “It's actually a prosthetic thing that she can reach her hand.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:58:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Iron Man: Initial plan was the Mandarin, then they swapped to Obadiah Stane and cast Bridges; the Ten Rings symbol remained as a leftover.
    “Now, you know, like up until like, like 3 or 4 months before they filmed, it was always supposed to be the Mandarin.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:24:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Iron Man: The Afghan village scene, when his computer figures out the hostage situation, made the audience scream in the speaker's theater.
    “this is the scene in my theater. When the audience is just screaming.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:25:07 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Iron Man: See the scene where Tony walks out as armor flies on in the throwaway silver suit's 'next time' line; the audience clapped in the speaker's theater.
    “But I remember the next time getting, um, a clap from my audience.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:56:05 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Iron Man: The film opened to $98.6M, nearly $100M for a character without name recognition, with Maid of Honor second at $14M.
    “And they almost hit 100.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:07:04 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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