The Big Picture: The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35)

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The extraction calls the show “The Big Picture (The Ringer)” and the episode “The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35)”.

Hosts: Sean Fennessey. Guests: Jason Concepcion, David Shoemaker.

Subject films: Blade (1998), Justice League (2017), Avengers: Infinity War (2018), Black Panther (2018).

On the transcript: Auto-transcript with no speaker labels and numerous garbled names and some garbled sentences; speaker attributions between the two guests are low-confidence.

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Films that came up

subject (7)

Blade · Iron Man · X-Men · Thor: Ragnarok · Justice League · Avengers: Infinity War · Black Panther

compared (16)

X-Men: First Class · Watchmen · Thor · Captain America · The Avengers · Guardians of the Galaxy · Ant-Man · Suicide Squad · Wonder Woman · Man of Steel · Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice · Deadpool · Hellboy · The Dark Knight · X-Men: Days of Future Past · The New Mutants

passing (14)

Batman Begins · Spider-Man (2002) · Aquaman (planned film) · The Batman (Matt Reeves) · The Flash (planned film) · The Dark Knight Rises · X-Men: Apocalypse · Dark Phoenix (planned film) · Captain Marvel · Ant-Man and the Wasp · Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 · Swingers · Jumanji · Sinister Six (hoped-for film)

recommended (2)

Logan · Spider-Man: Homecoming

dismissed (1)

X-Men: The Last Stand

Claims (44)

  1. lineage (lineage): Blade → X-Men. Blade is credited as the film that set the tone for the modern superhero era, with X-Men following two years later.
    “the 1st superhero movie that really set the tone for what we consider the modern era of superhero films is Blade, 1998”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:01:16 · Jason Concepcion (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Blade → Iron Man. Blade came ten years before Iron Man, the first Marvel property to follow.
    “And this is 10 full years before Iron Man.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:02:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): X-Men → Iron Man. The X-Men films' approach of introducing everyone at once was the standard until Marvel changed it.
    “that approach is really the kind of, what the standard approach for superhero films was up until that time”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:03:24 · Jason Concepcion (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Watchmen → Zack Snyder. Snyder's Watchmen was his favorite of his superhero efforts, helped by being faithful to a single finite graphic novel.
    “that's my favorite Zack Snyder superhero endeavor for sure.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:06:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Dave Gibbons → Watchmen. Gibbons' same-size panels made the Watchmen comic a structural feat, which Snyder followed faithfully in the film.
    “and, you know, he was able to, uh, I mean, Dave Gibbons is one of the great comic book illustrators, but is a very low key sort of British style that all the panels in the book were the same size.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:06:11 · David Shoemaker (0.55 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Batman Begins → The Avengers. DC's Nolan-started universe began five years before Marvel's shared universe; had DC known, they would have jumped on it.
    “if DC had any inkling of what Marvel was to create 5 years later that they would have jumped on this shared universe IP right away.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:14 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): Batman Begins → Iron Man. Both the late-90s Batman films and the X-Men films hid the comic-book look; Marvel instead embraced what was authentic about its characters.
    “They're very abashed to be like, this is a comic book movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:07:52 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. career (career): Kevin Feige → X-Men. Feige began as an assistant producer on the X-Men films before running the MCU.
    “started as like an assistant producer on those X-Men films and was put in charge of these properties”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:09:13 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. industry (industry): Watchmen → Iron Man. Snyder, while promoting Watchmen, doubted Marvel's B-list characters; then Iron Man made $300 million.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. contrast (contrast): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor. Ragnarok is called one of the five best Marvel movies, reached only after two bad Thor films.
    “one of the 5 best Marvel movies ever now is the Thor movie that came out 2 weeks ago.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:42 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. lineage (lineage): Thor: Ragnarok → Jason Aaron. Ragnarok is influenced by Jason Aaron's Thor comics.
    “Ragnarok is certainly influenced by the Jason Aaron stuff.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:12:02 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. career (career): Iron Man → Robert Downey Jr.. Downey was a gamble at that stage of his career.
    “Robert Downey Jr. was it sort of a, you know, that was a crapshoot when Iron Man one came out.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:01 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. career (career): Thor → Chris Hemsworth. Marvel cast up-and-comers like Hemsworth who grew with the franchise.
    “Chris Helmsworth knows, I'm going to be, you know, a household name because of this Thor role”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:16 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. programming (programming): The Avengers → Thor. Thor was treated as a loss leader, a stepping stone to the Avengers.
    “Thor was treated as a loss leader, essentially.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  15. programming (programming): Guardians of the Galaxy → Ant-Man. After Guardians' success with unknown characters, Ant-Man was an easy next gamble.
    “you do Ant-Man after that because you're just like, yeah, let's do Ant-Man.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:17:03 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  16. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Thor: Ragnarok. Guardians is among Marvel's most beloved and its success, like Ragnarok's, shows the brand outrunning the character's profile.
    “I think in some ways that is among their most beloved movies too”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:17:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. people (people): Wonder Woman → Patty Jenkins. Jenkins choosing to make Wonder Woman is the Marvel blueprint of finding the right filmmaker, unlike Snyder.
    “Patty Jenkins has chosen to make that movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:22:51 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  18. people (people): Justice League → Joss Whedon. Whedon finished Justice League after Snyder left, inserting snappy Marvel-style dialogue into a grim DC.
    “Justice League was finished by Joss Whedon, who was the writer director of the Avengers film”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:23:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  19. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Batman Begins. Wonder Woman is the first DC movie since the Nolan films that understands what it is.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st movie that they've made.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:27 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  20. contrast (contrast): Wonder Woman → Suicide Squad. Wonder Woman does not react to anything else; Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman do.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st DCU movie that doesn't feel reactionary to something else that has happened.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:29:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  21. industry (industry): Suicide Squad → Deadpool. Suicide Squad felt reactive to Deadpool's success.
    “Suicide Squad felt like it was very influenced by the success of Deadpool”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:29:25 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  22. craft (craft): Man of Steel → Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. BvS's newscaster lines patching the Metropolis destruction from Man of Steel show DC's lack of confidence.
    “that kind of thing shows the lack of confidence that DC really has in its voice”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:30:16 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  23. craft (craft): Spider-Man → Hellboy. The best superhero movies tie the origin to the villain and arc, as in Spider-Man's Green Goblin and Hellboy's Nazis.
    “the best superhero movies that have ever been made or the ones in where the origin story is tied in directly to the arc of the movie”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:30:39 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  24. craft (craft): Suicide Squad → Justice League. Suicide Squad's street-level crooks fighting a celestial god is a story-scale mistake.
    “Like, why are they fighting an like a celestial god.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:00 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  25. programming (programming): Justice League → Thor. Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
    “They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  26. contrast (contrast): Aquaman (planned film) → Ant-Man. Marvel leans into a dumb hero name (Ant-Man) while DC casts a macho Aquaman to make you forget his name.
    “lay into the fact that that name is dumb.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:48 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  27. what-if (what-if): The Dark Knight Rises → Justice League. Imagined bit: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne over the fish killed by the nuclear blast in The Dark Knight Rises.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  28. people (people): The Dark Knight → Heath Ledger. Ledger's Joker is the main reason the Nolan trilogy is still discussed positively.
    “Heath Ledger was, is the main reason that we still talk about those movies at all in a positive way.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:37:36 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  29. what-if (what-if): The Dark Knight → Heath Ledger. Ledger's death took the Batman/Joker relationship off the board; what might Nolan's plans have been?
    “what would have happened if Heath Ledger lived, what could their plans have been?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:38:36 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  30. people (people): Jared Leto → Suicide Squad. Leto's Joker reads as gritty but his star level is a Marvel-style move.
    “the level of star feels like a Marvel move also.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:39:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  31. industry (industry): X-Men: Days of Future Past → Jennifer Lawrence. The film shoehorned Mystique into a prominent role because the studio had J-Law under contract.
    “we have J-Law under contract, so we got to figure out a way to get mystique and a prominent role in this.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:41:54 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  32. contrast (contrast): Logan → X-Men. Logan works by taking two characters and good supporting actors instead of shoehorning everyone in, as the X-Men films did.
    “I'm just going to take 2 of the characters and surround them with good supporting actors”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:42:59 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  33. lineage (lineage): Logan → Deadpool. Deadpool started the shift to telling the best story true to one character, which Logan continued.
    “this started with Deadpool, the Ryan Reynolds standalone Deadpool movie”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:43:15 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  34. theme (theme): Blade → The New Mutants. The New Mutants being a horror movie recalls Blade's feeling of a pure genre film wearing superhero clothes.
    “hearkens back to that blade feeling where it's just a genre movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:43:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  35. lineage (lineage): X-Men → Joss Whedon. Whedon's Astonishing X-Men comic captured Cyclops better than the movies did.
    “he's really the 1st guy that captured what makes Cyclops an interesting character.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:46:35 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  36. craft (craft): X-Men: The Last Stand → James Marsden. The Last Stand kills off Cyclops offscreen in the first half hour, wasting the character.
    “kills Cyclops James Marsden.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:47:13 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  37. career (career): Black Panther → Ta-Nehisi Coates. Coates' comic run made new interest in Black Panther.
    “when Tahasi Coates took on the character and created a whole new level of interest in him.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:48:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  38. programming (programming): Black Panther → Avengers: Infinity War. Black Panther looks like the best bet to carry the MCU into the next phase after Infinity War.
    “Black Panther certainly looks to be the best bet to carry the series into phase four”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:49:22 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  39. programming (programming): Guardians of the Galaxy → Avengers: Infinity War. Guardians 3 is certain and Star-Lord is now a primary MCU figure.
    “Chris Pratt, obviously, there will be a Guardians 3.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:52:39 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  40. career (career): Iron Man → Jon Favreau. Iron Man's director had only Swingers and Jumanji behind him.
    “a director whose experience with swingers and Jumanji.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:54:48 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  41. industry (industry): Iron Man → Avengers: Infinity War. Superhero movies as a genre are compared to 1940s-50s musicals: most vulnerable when strongest.
    “are never more vulnerable than when they seem strongest.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:55:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  42. programming (programming): Avengers: Infinity War → Ant-Man and the Wasp. Whether Ant-Man and the Wasp matters as much as Infinity War is a test of Marvel overexposure.
    “At what point does Ant-man and the Wasp not matter as much as Infinity War?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:57:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  43. verdict (verdict): Avengers: Infinity War → Justice League. If Justice League were a true flop it would send shockwaves through the genre.
    “If Justice League is a flop, a true flop, um, I think that'll send shockwaves through the through the genre.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:57:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  44. theme (theme): The Avengers → Spider-Man: Homecoming. Homecoming's Mary Jane reveal avoided fan service in favor of storytelling.
    “the reveal of MJ of Mary Jane at the end of the movie was really powerful”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 1:00:08 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items (20)

  1. fun, about Blade: Blade grossed about $131 million on a $45 million budget in 1998.
    “$131.200000 on a $45000000 budget in 1998.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:03:21 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about X-Men: The first X-Men casting was driven by Wizard magazine's casting column; Glenn Danzig was floated as Wolverine.
    “Glenn Danzig, I remember that was like one of the really crazy ones that was thrown.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:05:10 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Watchmen: Snyder, around Watchmen, scoffed at a Captain America or Thor movie.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Guardians of the Galaxy: Marvel's gamble: a wrestler, the Parks and Rec guy, and a raccoon; selling point was Marvel goes to space.
    “The selling point on that movie was Marvel Goes to Space.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:16:40 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Thor: Ragnarok: Waititi said the scariest part was Marvel being 16 for 16.
    “they're 16 for 16.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:17:11 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Bendis: Bendis' dialogue-heavy comics: 20 balloons per panel, gently woke.
    “there's like 20 per face, and they're just eating each other all over the page”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:34 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Suicide Squad: The trailer was more of a Marvel trailer than the movie in the can, due to reshoots.
    “the trailer for Suicide Squad was more of a Marvel trailer than the movie that they had in the can”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:28:50 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Suicide Squad: Audience guffawed at the celestial-god climax; one host says 13-year-old David would have loved it.
    “13 year old David would have thought it was awesome.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:29 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Justice League: Sean cannot name the actor playing Cyborg; Ray Fisher is supplied.
    “I can't name the man who's playing cyborg, which is that's bad news.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Aquaman (planned film): Pitch: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne about fish killed in the nuclear blast.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about The Batman: Each Batman movie should be a different director and genre set by the villain: Killer Croc horror, Joker noir.
    “Killer Croc is a horror movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:38:21 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Wolverine: Every teenage boy loves Wolverine; the tyranny of Wolverine drove X-Men films.
    “Every teenage boy loves Wolverine.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:42:43 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Logan: Logan called incredible; hosts agree it is the template for letting a character breathe.
    “Logan is incredible.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:42:51 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about X-Men: Why Cyclops is a downer: his eyes would kill everyone he loves.
    “every time he opens his eyes, he threatens to kill everyone that he cares about.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:46:49 · Jason Concepcion (0.50 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Sean Fennessey: Sean admits empathy for Cyclops, jokingly his cross to bear.
    “I have a lot of empathy for Scott Summers.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:46:59 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Black Panther: Ryan Coogler is the first black filmmaker on a superhero movie in these worlds.
    “1st black filmmaker to make a superhero movie in one of these worlds.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:48:34 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. fun, about Iron Man: Iron Man called the highest Q rating for a character nobody cared about in comics.
    “Iron Man is probably the most the highest Q rating for a character that nobody gave a flying F about”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:55:00 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  18. fun, about Saga: Pick for a screen adaptation: Saga, a swashbuckling space odyssey love story.
    “one of the great love stories of the past 3 to 4 years”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:59:14 · Jason Concepcion (0.60 sure it was them)
  19. fun, about Ultimate X-Men: Reboot X-Men on the Ultimate universe, solo movies building to a team-up.
    “base it on the ultimate universe X-Men.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:59:47 · Jason Concepcion (0.60 sure it was them)
  20. fun, about Sinister Six: Sean is still waiting for a Sinister Six movie he doubts will happen.
    “a sinister 6 movie, which I don't think will ever happen.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 1:01:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

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