Wonder Woman (2017)

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Wikidata Q20502242, film, IMDb tt0451279, TMDB 297762: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Chris Pine as actor (The 10 Most Misused Stars in Hollywood and the Gnarly Magic of ‘Send Help’); 2 more episodes agree.

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Who talked about it

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Came from

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Led to

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No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Captain Marvel: 3 lines contrast ×1 craft ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain Marvel → Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman, like Superman, is a god and needs less emotional complexity; Carol Danvers is a real person who is blank for most of the film.
    “Wonder Woman, likes Superman, is a god. And the levels of emotional complexity that we expect from a god are lesser than a real person.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:17:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Shazam!: 2 lines theme ×1 verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Shazam! → Wonder Woman. Miles was less of a fan of Wonder Woman than others were.
    “I personally wasn't as big of a fan as as Wonder Woman, as other people were”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:09:17 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

Batman Begins: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Batman Begins. Wonder Woman is the first DC movie since the Nolan films that understands what it is.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st movie that they've made.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:27 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Wonder Woman. Marvel can present a first female-led MCU film as a milestone even after Wonder Woman.
    “Marvel is so big that it can actually pretend that's a milestone.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:02:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Wonder Woman. CTHD tapped into female strength that Wonder Woman had to catch up to 18 years later.
    “this movie was tapping into things that Wonder Woman would have to like run around to 18 years later.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:38:16 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

David Thewlis: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Wonder Woman → David Thewlis. The Wonder Woman finale had Diana fighting a demon monster played by Thewlis.
    “ultimately just turned into Diana fighting like a demon monster, who was played by David Thulas”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:06:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Kingdom Come: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Kingdom Come. Sean points to Alex Ross's 90s comic Kingdom Come, where an elderly Wonder Woman and Batman had a thing.
    “you got the sense that Wonder Woman and Batman had a thing, but they no longer got along anymore.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 1:02:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)

Patty Jenkins: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Wonder Woman → Patty Jenkins. Jenkins choosing to make Wonder Woman is the Marvel blueprint of finding the right filmmaker, unlike Snyder.
    “Patty Jenkins has chosen to make that movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:22:51 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Wonder Woman → Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens. Both Wonder Woman's Amazons and Rey getting the lightsaber hit Amanda with a symbolic reaction, despite her not being a franchise person.
    “I felt the same way when Ray gets the lightsaber in, in the Force Awakens”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:57:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)

Suicide Squad: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Wonder Woman → Suicide Squad. Wonder Woman does not react to anything else; Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman do.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st DCU movie that doesn't feel reactionary to something else that has happened.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:29:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (2)

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain Marvel → Wonder Woman. Amanda's instant reaction is that Captain Marvel falls short of Wonder Woman, a high bar.
    “my immediate reaction was this is not Wonder Woman.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:01:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Wonder Woman → Suicide Squad. Wonder Woman does not react to anything else; Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman do.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st DCU movie that doesn't feel reactionary to something else that has happened.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:29:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): Wonder Woman → Captain Marvel. Wonder Woman did its origin story in the first 30 minutes and moved on; Captain Marvel spends the whole film on it.
    “What Wonder Woman did was gave us the best version of its origin story in the 1st 30 minutes, and then we were kind of done with that.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Wonder Woman. Marvel can present a first female-led MCU film as a milestone even after Wonder Woman.
    “Marvel is so big that it can actually pretend that's a milestone.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:02:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Kingdom Come. Sean points to Alex Ross's 90s comic Kingdom Come, where an elderly Wonder Woman and Batman had a thing.
    “you got the sense that Wonder Woman and Batman had a thing, but they no longer got along anymore.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 1:02:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Wonder Woman → Batman Begins. Wonder Woman is the first DC movie since the Nolan films that understands what it is.
    “Wonder Woman is the 1st movie that they've made.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:27 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (people): Wonder Woman → David Thewlis. The Wonder Woman finale had Diana fighting a demon monster played by Thewlis.
    “ultimately just turned into Diana fighting like a demon monster, who was played by David Thulas”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:06:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): Wonder Woman → Patty Jenkins. Jenkins choosing to make Wonder Woman is the Marvel blueprint of finding the right filmmaker, unlike Snyder.
    “Patty Jenkins has chosen to make that movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:22:51 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

theme (4)

  1. theme (theme): Shazam! → Wonder Woman. Both films, in Miles's view, start clever and then end in a punching match with a monster or villain.
    “That was also one of my struggles, honestly, with Wonder Woman”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:06:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Captain Marvel → Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman, like Superman, is a god and needs less emotional complexity; Carol Danvers is a real person who is blank for most of the film.
    “Wonder Woman, likes Superman, is a god. And the levels of emotional complexity that we expect from a god are lesser than a real person.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:17:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Wonder Woman → Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens. Both Wonder Woman's Amazons and Rey getting the lightsaber hit Amanda with a symbolic reaction, despite her not being a franchise person.
    “I felt the same way when Ray gets the lightsaber in, in the Force Awakens”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:57:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon → Wonder Woman. CTHD tapped into female strength that Wonder Woman had to catch up to 18 years later.
    “this movie was tapping into things that Wonder Woman would have to like run around to 18 years later.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free) · 1:38:16 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Shazam! → Wonder Woman. Miles was less of a fan of Wonder Woman than others were.
    “I personally wasn't as big of a fan as as Wonder Woman, as other people were”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:09:17 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Wonder Woman: Amanda rewatched Wonder Woman the night before and still cried at the Amazons on the beach.
    “Catch me out here crying about it.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:56:50 · Amanda Dobbins (0.75 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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