Joker (2019)

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Wikidata Q42759035, film, IMDb tt7286456, TMDB 475557: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the note “Todd Phillips, unreleased”.

Also said as Joker (Todd Phillips, unreleased): the same Wikidata item, so listed here.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

Who talked about it

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The Big Picture

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Martin Scorsese: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Martin Scorsese ⇒ Joker (the host's read). Miles imagines Joker as a Scorsese pastiche that may not work.
    “it's like a Scorsese Pestiche that just kind of doesn't work”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:10:08 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Joaquin Phoenix: 3 lines what-if ×1 people ×1 career ×1

  1. career (career): Joaquin Phoenix → Joker. The Joker appealed because it was pitched as a Scorsese-style film he could work in, unlike green screen.
    “The Joker thing for him is totally the fact that they sold it to him as, we're going to shoot it like a Scorsett.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 2:24:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

1917: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): 1917 → Joker. Speaker expected 1917 rather than Joker to lead nominations, since 1917 is technically accomplished.
    “I think I expected that to go to 1917, which is a little bit recency bias and also just because I expected 1917 to grab every single technical nomination”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:02:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Avengers: Endgame: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Avengers: Endgame → Joker. 2019 had several event films (Joker, Once Upon a Time, Endgame) before the 'flame out'.
    “the grand orgy before the flame out, before the fall of Empire”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:35:05 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Batman: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Joker → Batman. A new Joker ties right into Nicholson's Joker.
    “Wow, topical ties right into the jack.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:03:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Birds of Prey: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Birds of Prey → Joker. Fennessey says Birds of Prey looks tonally and visually unlike Shazam! and Joker.
    “that tonally and visually looks completely different from those other 2 movies”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Joker → Black Panther. A Joker Best Picture win would follow Black Panther in the Academy honoring comic book movies.
    “And it would be one year after Black Panther, which sort of ushered in.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:04:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Chris Ryan: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (anecdote): Joker → Chris Ryan. Amanda saw Joker with Chris Ryan on release day in a near-empty theater.
    “I saw Joker with Chris Ryan on Friday afternoon”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:20:02 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)

Green Book: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Joker → Green Book. Joker and 1917 are not bad compared to past Best Picture winners Green Book and Driving Miss Daisy.
    “Like compared to Green Book, compared to driving Miss Daisy.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:52:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Joker → Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. Most-nominated films that also win Best Picture tend to be noisy movies like Return of the King, and Joker is noisy too.
    “Tends to happen with noisy movies like Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:03:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Martin Scorsese: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Joker → Martin Scorsese. Miles imagines Joker as a Scorsese pastiche that may not work.
    “it's like a Scorsese Pestiche that just kind of doesn't work”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:10:08 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

Parasite: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Joker → Parasite. Anyone ranking Joker above Parasite, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Little Women or Uncut Gems has bad taste.
    “I think that anyone who thinks that this movie is better than parasite or once upon a time in Hollywood or Little Women are uncut gems has bad taste and doesn't know things about movies straight up.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:03:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)

Shazam!: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Shazam! → Joker. Fennessey says Joker is standalone and has virtually nothing in common with Shazam!.
    “Joker, which is coming in October, which also feels quite standalone and seems to have virtually nothing in common with a movie like Shazam”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)

Star 80: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (performance cost): Star 80 → Joker. A great performance in a harrowing role is called career-ruinous in the way people overstate Joker typecasting.
    “I think it's an incredible performance, but I think it's the kind of performance that's like ruinous for a career.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:01:44 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)

Todd Phillips: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Joker → Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips is a threat for Best Director.
    “I think we got to look out for Todd Phillips.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:51:41 · Sean Fennessey (0.45 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Joaquin Phoenix → Joker. The Joker appealed because it was pitched as a Scorsese-style film he could work in, unlike green screen.
    “The Joker thing for him is totally the fact that they sold it to him as, we're going to shoot it like a Scorsett.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 2:24:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (4)

  1. contrast (contrast): Joker → Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. Most-nominated films that also win Best Picture tend to be noisy movies like Return of the King, and Joker is noisy too.
    “Tends to happen with noisy movies like Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:03:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Joker → Green Book. Joker and 1917 are not bad compared to past Best Picture winners Green Book and Driving Miss Daisy.
    “Like compared to Green Book, compared to driving Miss Daisy.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:52:56 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Shazam! → Joker. Fennessey says Joker is standalone and has virtually nothing in common with Shazam!.
    “Joker, which is coming in October, which also feels quite standalone and seems to have virtually nothing in common with a movie like Shazam”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Birds of Prey → Joker. Fennessey says Birds of Prey looks tonally and visually unlike Shazam! and Joker.
    “that tonally and visually looks completely different from those other 2 movies”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)

industry (3)

  1. industry (industry): Avengers: Endgame → Joker. 2019 had several event films (Joker, Once Upon a Time, Endgame) before the 'flame out'.
    “the grand orgy before the flame out, before the fall of Empire”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:35:05 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): 1917 → Joker. Speaker expected 1917 rather than Joker to lead nominations, since 1917 is technically accomplished.
    “I think I expected that to go to 1917, which is a little bit recency bias and also just because I expected 1917 to grab every single technical nomination”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:02:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Joker → Black Panther. A Joker Best Picture win would follow Black Panther in the Academy honoring comic book movies.
    “And it would be one year after Black Panther, which sort of ushered in.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:04:44 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (lineage): Joker → Batman. A new Joker ties right into Nicholson's Joker.
    “Wow, topical ties right into the jack.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:03:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Joker → Martin Scorsese. Miles imagines Joker as a Scorsese pastiche that may not work.
    “it's like a Scorsese Pestiche that just kind of doesn't work”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:10:08 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

people (3)

  1. people (performance cost): Star 80 → Joker. A great performance in a harrowing role is called career-ruinous in the way people overstate Joker typecasting.
    “I think it's an incredible performance, but I think it's the kind of performance that's like ruinous for a career.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Star 80 with Julie Klausner · 0:01:44 · Julie Klausner (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): Joker → Joaquin Phoenix. Phoenix is the frontrunner for Joker, though the speaker does not care about the movie.
    “I really don't care about the movie, but that's my guy.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:46:47 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): Joker → Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips is a threat for Best Director.
    “I think we got to look out for Todd Phillips.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:51:41 · Sean Fennessey (0.45 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (anecdote): Joker → Chris Ryan. Amanda saw Joker with Chris Ryan on release day in a near-empty theater.
    “I saw Joker with Chris Ryan on Friday afternoon”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:20:02 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Joker → Parasite. Anyone ranking Joker above Parasite, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Little Women or Uncut Gems has bad taste.
    “I think that anyone who thinks that this movie is better than parasite or once upon a time in Hollywood or Little Women are uncut gems has bad taste and doesn't know things about movies straight up.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:03:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Joaquin Phoenix → Joker. Breaking news that Phoenix is in talks to play the Joker in Todd Phillips's standalone film.
    “guess who's in talks to play the Joker in Todd Phillips's standalone Joker movie?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · As Good as It Gets with Chris Gethard · 1:03:35 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Joker: Opening-day Joker had four people in the theater and a dog in a stroller; Bobby riffs on a 'Joker dog' sequel.
    “there was a dog in a stroller, not counting as a person”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:20:28 · Amanda Dobbins (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Joker: Host calls it intellectually bankrupt and the emperor's new clothes.
    “I think that this is an intellectually bankrupt movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:03:13 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Joker: The 'tiny Batman movie' Scorsese cosplay winning Best Picture would be an Academy thing to do.
    “the Scorsese cosplay, look, it's tiny Batman movie, winning best picture, would be an academy-esque thing to do.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:04:13 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Joker: Fans may tune in angry, which fits the film's theme.
    “The movie is about a kind of discontent, a kind of isolation and not getting what you want feeling.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:42:11 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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