Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

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In the store as #539, Killers of the Flower Moon (2023).

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Goodfellas: 3 lines the host's read ×3

  1. craft (opening style): Goodfellas ⇒ Killers of the Flower Moon (the host's read). The opening tracking shot echoes the Copacabana shot before the film rejects that mode.
    “It was a very long tracking shot through Leo's arrival, which is, you know, gesturing to Copacabana”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:14:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Titanic: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (callback): Titanic ⇒ Killers of the Flower Moon (the host's read). The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

The Irishman: 4 lines unmapped ×3 industry ×1

  1. unmapped (convergence): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both bring together all themes Scorsese cares about.
    “This is a convergence movie, in the way that so many of these movies are convergence, but silence is a convergence movie. The Irishman is a convergence movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:51:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Goodfellas: 3 lines craft ×1 contrast ×1 unmapped ×1

  1. craft (opening style): Killers of the Flower Moon → Goodfellas. The opening tracking shot echoes the Copacabana shot before the film rejects that mode.
    “It was a very long tracking shot through Leo's arrival, which is, you know, gesturing to Copacabana”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:14:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

The Killer: 3 lines unmapped ×2 people ×1

  1. unmapped (possible last film): The Killer → Killers of the Flower Moon. Both give the feeling they could be a last movie, a fitting conclusion.
    “I had the same feeling at the end of this movie, though, where I was like, this kind of could just be a last movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 1:02:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

The Wolf of Wall Street: 3 lines unmapped ×2 theme ×1

  1. unmapped (late-period arc): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Wolf of Wall Street. Wolf's brazenness is one stage of Scorsese's late evolution before Silence, Irishman, Killers.
    “the fun, the brazenness, the, the energy of Wolf of Wall Street, the kind of solemnity, the probing nature, the sort of like punishing aspect of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:27:53 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Jack Fisk: 2 lines craft ×1 career ×1

  1. craft (craft): Jack Fisk → Killers of the Flower Moon. Fisk researched the period billiard scorekeeping mechanism so the built set would be right, per a New York Times Magazine piece.
    “Jack did the research and found out this is how they would have kept score.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:03:31 · Sean Fennessey or Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Oppenheimer: 2 lines craft ×1 industry ×1

  1. craft (score race): Killers of the Flower Moon → Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer's score is the main challenge to Robertson's score winning.
    “I think Oppenheimer presents a big challenge there.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:31:36 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Silence: 2 lines verdict ×1 programming ×1

  1. verdict (scorsese tier): Killers of the Flower Moon → Silence. Grouped with the hard-to-make, resonant big epics.
    “It reminds me a lot of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:03:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Thelma Schoonmaker: 2 lines craft ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thelma Schoonmaker → Killers of the Flower Moon. Her signature cutting style appears in Killers only for the violent outbursts, not the hard push-in zooms of old.
    “the Thelma Schoolmaker cutting style, which they use like sometimes in this movie, but only really for the violent outbursts.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:29:37 · Sean Fennessey or Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Babylon: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (length debate): Babylon → Killers of the Flower Moon. The too-long objection to Babylon is the same issue as the Killers of the Flower Moon debate.
    “You know, this is a very similar issue to me as the, um, Killers of the Flower Moon debate, which is that for some people, this is just too long.”
    The Big Picture · The ‘Babylon’ Watch-Along · 0:21:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Casino: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (scorsese tier): Killers of the Flower Moon → Casino. Sean's first impression put it in Scorsese's second tier with the big epics.
    “this reminds me a lot of casino. It reminds me a lot of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:03:05 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Eric Roth: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (script rewritten by the director): Eric Roth → Killers of the Flower Moon. Roth's strict adaptation was torn up and rewritten by Scorsese himself, which Griffin compares to Mank.
    “It's like Scorsese Adam come in, he writes this script.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:47:31 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Ferrari: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Ferrari → Killers of the Flower Moon. Ferrari's quick impressionistic opening flashback recalls the silent-film-style opening of Killers of the Flower Moon.
    “it reminded me a bit of the opening sequence of the Killers of the Flower Moon, where it's kind of shot in this old school, like silent film style.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:16:14 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Giant: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (genre echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → Giant. Its magnitude and oil, family and betrayal themes recall Giant, with Ford, Hawks, Stevens epic scale.
    “I did think of giant a few times while watching the movie, which is a movie about oil and families and betrayal.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:59:47 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Heaven's Gate: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (production scale): Killers of the Flower Moon → Heaven's Gate. The $250M-ish Jack Fisk-built world is defended against studio cost-cutting, with Heaven's Gate as a nod.
    “you don't need $250000000 Jack Fisk production design. You don't like it is like heaven's gate”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:02:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Kundun: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (landscape and spirituality): Killers of the Flower Moon → Kundun. An American version of the desolate landscapes and haunting spirituality of Kundun, Silence, Last Temptation.
    “it is him doing an American version in some ways of what he did in Kundun, in silence, and last temptation of Christ”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:00:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Lessons in Chemistry: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Lessons in Chemistry → Killers of the Flower Moon. Greenwald's critique of anachronistic righteous modern politics in a period piece is contrasted with Killers refusing pop morality.
    “This movie does not do that.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:33:41 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

Martin Scorsese: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (collection): Killers of the Flower Moon → Martin Scorsese. Wants Killers to round out a Scorsese collection; Apple not releasing physical.
    “I'd like to own it as well to round out my wonderful collection of Martin Scorsese films”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:03:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)

No Country for Old Men: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (nihilism and Best Picture): Killers of the Flower Moon → No Country for Old Men. Last nihilistic Best Picture winner, offered as the comparison for how unlikely this one is to win.
    “when was the last time a movie that was this nihilistic one best picture? Is it is it no country for old men?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:34:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Raging Bull: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (dim protagonist): Killers of the Flower Moon → Raging Bull. Jake LaMotta cited as an earlier dim Scorsese protagonist.
    “You could say this is true of Jake Lamata.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:24:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Reservation Dogs: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (cultural context): Killers of the Flower Moon → Reservation Dogs. Reservation Dogs is cited as one of the few truly mainstream pieces of Native culture, contrasting with the absence of a big indigenous-made epic.
    “reservation dogs has become one of the most acclaimed shows of the last 10 years.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:50:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Shane: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (genre echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → Shane. Sean notes Scorsese often talks about Shane when discussing Westerns.
    “Scorsese talks about Shane a lot.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:00:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Taxi Driver: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (dim protagonist): Killers of the Flower Moon → Taxi Driver. Ernest joins Scorsese's lineage of dim men wreaking havoc: Jake LaMotta, Travis Bickle, Henry Hill.
    “You could say this is true of Jake Lamata. You could say this is true of Travis Bickle. You could say this is true of Henry Hill.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:24:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

The Age of Innocence: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (love as power struggle): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Age of Innocence. The messy love affair between Ernest and Molly evokes The Age of Innocence.
    “I guess maybe a little bit in the age of innocence, you see this.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:34:21 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Last Temptation of Christ: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (gothic abstraction): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Last Temptation of Christ. Ernest's poison-fever abstract sequence is the kind of artistic reach seen in Last Temptation or Silence.
    “really Gothic abstract sequence that is very uncommon that you only really see in kind of like last temptation of Christ or silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:02:00 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

The Velvet Underground: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (Apple physical): The Velvet Underground → Killers of the Flower Moon. Velvet Underground is the one Apple movie with a physical release (Criterion).
    “Actually, that's the one Apple movie that has a physical release.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:14:15 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)

Titanic: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (callback): Killers of the Flower Moon → Titanic. The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

What's Eating Gilbert Grape: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (performance echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → What's Eating Gilbert Grape. DiCaprio's mannered Ernest is the nearest earlier performance in his career.
    “The only thing I could think of that was sort of in this zone is what's eating Gilbert Grape”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:25:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Jack Fisk → Killers of the Flower Moon. Fisk's latest Oscar nomination was for building a town for Flower Moon, but he lost to Poor Things.
    “Which is he built a fucking town.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eraserhead (Ad-Free) · 0:34:07 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (2)

  1. contrast (inverts): Killers of the Flower Moon → Goodfellas. Same crimes by white men but with no romance or good life, a deliberate answer to Goodfellas' seductiveness.
    “there's a romance to Goodfellas that does not exist here.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:28:46 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Lessons in Chemistry → Killers of the Flower Moon. Greenwald's critique of anachronistic righteous modern politics in a period piece is contrasted with Killers refusing pop morality.
    “This movie does not do that.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:33:41 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (5)

  1. craft (craft): Ferrari → Killers of the Flower Moon. Ferrari's quick impressionistic opening flashback recalls the silent-film-style opening of Killers of the Flower Moon.
    “it reminded me a bit of the opening sequence of the Killers of the Flower Moon, where it's kind of shot in this old school, like silent film style.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:16:14 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (opening style): Killers of the Flower Moon → Goodfellas. The opening tracking shot echoes the Copacabana shot before the film rejects that mode.
    “It was a very long tracking shot through Leo's arrival, which is, you know, gesturing to Copacabana”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:14:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Thelma Schoonmaker → Killers of the Flower Moon. Her signature cutting style appears in Killers only for the violent outbursts, not the hard push-in zooms of old.
    “the Thelma Schoolmaker cutting style, which they use like sometimes in this movie, but only really for the violent outbursts.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:29:37 · Sean Fennessey or Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Jack Fisk → Killers of the Flower Moon. Fisk researched the period billiard scorekeeping mechanism so the built set would be right, per a New York Times Magazine piece.
    “Jack did the research and found out this is how they would have kept score.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:03:31 · Sean Fennessey or Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (score race): Killers of the Flower Moon → Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer's score is the main challenge to Robertson's score winning.
    “I think Oppenheimer presents a big challenge there.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:31:36 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

industry (2)

  1. industry (awards precedent): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Predicts an Irishman-style awards run: many nominations, few wins.
    “Okay, so you think it'll be an Irishman situation? I do.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:30:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. industry (awards rival): Killers of the Flower Moon → Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer is the likely Best Picture winner, with Killers second or third; also a 'great men' versus 'were there any great men' contrast.
    “I feel like Christopher Nolan believes that there were great men in history.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:36:37 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (callback): Killers of the Flower Moon → Titanic. The car make-out scene is a funny Titanic callback.
    “I thought there was a really funny callback to Titanic when they're making out in the car.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:35:48 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (landscape and spirituality): Killers of the Flower Moon → Kundun. An American version of the desolate landscapes and haunting spirituality of Kundun, Silence, Last Temptation.
    “it is him doing an American version in some ways of what he did in Kundun, in silence, and last temptation of Christ”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:00:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

people (3)

  1. people (auteur persona year): The Killer → Killers of the Flower Moon. 2023 was defined by films that force conversation about the filmmakers (Gerwig, Scorsese, Nolan, Fincher) and their pasts.
    “this year has really been defined by these movies with by filmmakers who have such towering personas.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:15:34 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. people (performance echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → What's Eating Gilbert Grape. DiCaprio's mannered Ernest is the nearest earlier performance in his career.
    “The only thing I could think of that was sort of in this zone is what's eating Gilbert Grape”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:25:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. people (script rewritten by the director): Eric Roth → Killers of the Flower Moon. Roth's strict adaptation was torn up and rewritten by Scorsese himself, which Griffin compares to Mank.
    “It's like Scorsese Adam come in, he writes this script.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Mank with Sean Fennessey (Ad-Free) · 0:47:31 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (viewing double feature): Killers of the Flower Moon → Silence. Amanda watched Silence the day before and went straight to Killers.
    “I watched silence yesterday and immediately went to sit down with you to watch Killers of the Flower Moon”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:18:30 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (3)

  1. theme (character echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Wolf of Wall Street. Both feature a too-smart-for-his-own-good man doing dumb things who thinks he'll get away with it.
    “I thought a lot of Wolf of Wall Street. While doing it because that is a guy who is too smart for his own good, but also doing a lot of really dumb shit.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:26:35 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. theme (genre echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → Giant. Its magnitude and oil, family and betrayal themes recall Giant, with Ford, Hawks, Stevens epic scale.
    “I did think of giant a few times while watching the movie, which is a movie about oil and families and betrayal.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:59:47 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. theme (genre echo): Killers of the Flower Moon → Shane. Sean notes Scorsese often talks about Shane when discussing Westerns.
    “Scorsese talks about Shane a lot.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:00:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

unmapped (17)

  1. unmapped (length debate): Babylon → Killers of the Flower Moon. The too-long objection to Babylon is the same issue as the Killers of the Flower Moon debate.
    “You know, this is a very similar issue to me as the, um, Killers of the Flower Moon debate, which is that for some people, this is just too long.”
    The Big Picture · The ‘Babylon’ Watch-Along · 0:21:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (Criterion route): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Hope Killers gets a Criterion partnership like The Irishman did; Apple films otherwise have no physical release.
    “At some point there will be like a criterion partnership like they did with the Irishman.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:03:00 · Tim Simons (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (collection): Killers of the Flower Moon → Martin Scorsese. Wants Killers to round out a Scorsese collection; Apple not releasing physical.
    “I'd like to own it as well to round out my wonderful collection of Martin Scorsese films”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:03:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (Apple physical): The Velvet Underground → Killers of the Flower Moon. Velvet Underground is the one Apple movie with a physical release (Criterion).
    “Actually, that's the one Apple movie that has a physical release.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:14:15 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (promo absence): The Killer → Killers of the Flower Moon. Because actors weren't doing press during the strike, audiences were thinking about Marty rather than DiCaprio appearances.
    “we didn't get hit with like 10 Leonardo DiCaprio TV and podcast appearances before Killers of the Flower Moon.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:16:02 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (possible last film): The Killer → Killers of the Flower Moon. Both give the feeling they could be a last movie, a fitting conclusion.
    “I had the same feeling at the end of this movie, though, where I was like, this kind of could just be a last movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 1:02:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
  7. unmapped (dim protagonist): Killers of the Flower Moon → Taxi Driver. Ernest joins Scorsese's lineage of dim men wreaking havoc: Jake LaMotta, Travis Bickle, Henry Hill.
    “You could say this is true of Jake Lamata. You could say this is true of Travis Bickle. You could say this is true of Henry Hill.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:24:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  8. unmapped (dim protagonist): Killers of the Flower Moon → Raging Bull. Jake LaMotta cited as an earlier dim Scorsese protagonist.
    “You could say this is true of Jake Lamata.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:24:25 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  9. unmapped (filmmaker in dialogue): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Wolf of Wall Street. The film is in dialogue with what its artists did before (Goodfellas, Wolf, every De Niro character).
    “this movie is in dialogue with what all of its artists and filmmakers have done before.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:27:43 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  10. unmapped (love as power struggle): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Age of Innocence. The messy love affair between Ernest and Molly evokes The Age of Innocence.
    “I guess maybe a little bit in the age of innocence, you see this.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:34:21 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. unmapped (cultural context): Killers of the Flower Moon → Reservation Dogs. Reservation Dogs is cited as one of the few truly mainstream pieces of Native culture, contrasting with the absence of a big indigenous-made epic.
    “reservation dogs has become one of the most acclaimed shows of the last 10 years.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:50:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. unmapped (convergence): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both bring together all themes Scorsese cares about.
    “This is a convergence movie, in the way that so many of these movies are convergence, but silence is a convergence movie. The Irishman is a convergence movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:51:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  13. unmapped (late-period reflection): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both are gut-punch late-period re-examinations of his career and life.
    “especially Irishmen and this film, which I think are just absolutely, like, gut punch”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:58:41 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  14. unmapped (gothic abstraction): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Last Temptation of Christ. Ernest's poison-fever abstract sequence is the kind of artistic reach seen in Last Temptation or Silence.
    “really Gothic abstract sequence that is very uncommon that you only really see in kind of like last temptation of Christ or silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:02:00 · Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. unmapped (production scale): Killers of the Flower Moon → Heaven's Gate. The $250M-ish Jack Fisk-built world is defended against studio cost-cutting, with Heaven's Gate as a nod.
    “you don't need $250000000 Jack Fisk production design. You don't like it is like heaven's gate”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:02:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  16. unmapped (narration trick): Killers of the Flower Moon → Goodfellas. Molly's voiceover recalls Karen taking over narration in Goodfellas.
    “Goodfellas does this. There's a moment when Karen takes over the narration.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:08:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. unmapped (late-period arc): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Wolf of Wall Street. Wolf's brazenness is one stage of Scorsese's late evolution before Silence, Irishman, Killers.
    “the fun, the brazenness, the, the energy of Wolf of Wall Street, the kind of solemnity, the probing nature, the sort of like punishing aspect of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:27:53 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

verdict (4)

  1. verdict (scorsese tier): Killers of the Flower Moon → Casino. Sean's first impression put it in Scorsese's second tier with the big epics.
    “this reminds me a lot of casino. It reminds me a lot of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:03:05 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (scorsese tier): Killers of the Flower Moon → Silence. Grouped with the hard-to-make, resonant big epics.
    “It reminds me a lot of silence.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:03:10 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Thelma Schoonmaker → Killers of the Flower Moon. Predicts an editing nomination or win for Killers, with Schoonmaker not likely to cut many more films.
    “I think it could win editing. Um, I think, you know, Thelma Scoonmaker's not going to cut very many more movies.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:31:44 · Sean Fennessey or Amanda Dobbins (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. verdict (nihilism and Best Picture): Killers of the Flower Moon → No Country for Old Men. Last nihilistic Best Picture winner, offered as the comparison for how unlikely this one is to win.
    “when was the last time a movie that was this nihilistic one best picture? Is it is it no country for old men?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:34:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Rewatching on Apple TV the speaker found himself watching a car detailing reel mid-film, the case for putting in a disc.
    “I had somehow started watching a car detailing Instagram reel during killers of the flower moon.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:01:56 · Tim Simons (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Underappreciated DiCaprio performance, plays smooth while pretending not to know about the murders.
    “I think it's an underappreciated performance in Killers of the Flower Moon.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:20:53 · Tim Simons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: They saw it twice, the second time together at 2:30 p.m. at a local AMC the day before recording; Sean calls it a masterpiece but jokes he needed seven hours to get there.
    “I don't know whether the joke is on the movie or me that I had to see it twice to get to that, um, point”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:02:29 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: At 3:26 on 3,800 screens it may be the longest widely released movie of the century, and a live check of Gettysburg (4:21) gets no theatrical box office listing.
    “I am live Googling Gettysburg, the movie, the 1993 film.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:07:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Early rewrite lore: DiCaprio was to play FBI investigator Tom White in the procedural version, then pushed Scorsese to rewrite and took Ernest instead.
    “Leo was originally slated to play FBI investigator Tom White in the more procedural version of the film, and he went to Scorsese and said, I think there's something missing here”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:26:09 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: The Lily Gladstone and DiCaprio dining-room promo still that became a meme for years turns out to be one of the movie's two or three most important scenes, and plays differently in motion.
    “It is also like one of the 2 or 3 most important scenes in the movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:32:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Lizzie's death scene, led by her ancestors into the next world, called one of the most astonishing 30 seconds.
    “that is like one of the most astonishing 30 seconds.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:43:47 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Owl motif: Molly's mother sees an owl before dying; the second viewing, a bathroom break caused Amanda to miss the first owl on the windowsill.
    “I realized about 30 minutes later that I had missed that 1st image of the owl landing on the windowsill”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:43:59 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: The coda is a 1930s FBI-sponsored radio show with sound-effects men, a live orchestra, and Jack White; Scorsese appears on screen reading Molly's obituary and adds that there was no mention of the murders.
    “Martin Scorsese shows up on the screen. Um, as Marty, basically. And um, and reads her obituary.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:56:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: The final image is an overhead shot of the Osage performing a ritual dance, a slow fade like a Hollywood epic.
    “the final image is not of him. It's of the Osage Nation shot overhead”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:57:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: The Masonic Hall spanking scene, a Jack Fisk construction with a checkerboard floor, is called funny and strange.
    “I guess the Masonic Hall spanking?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:14:15 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Sean worries about watching it in installments on Apple TV+; the movie is meant to overwhelm and is not episodic.
    “It's not episodic. Yeah. It builds. Correct. And it is meant to completely pulverize you over 3.5 hours.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:17:51 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Bobby's take: Scorsese's three organized-crime films meet disorganized crime where victims are so marginalized nobody bothers looking, 'can you find the wolves in this picture'.
    “It's really actually very easy to find the wolves in this picture.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:22:11 · Bobby Wagner (0.70 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Molly's walk to the Washington train, with white townspeople staring through her and smoke clearing, called the scene Bobby sees when he closes his eyes.
    “I thought that that scene was so expertly crafted with the way that the smoke comes in and then it clears”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:23:15 · Bobby Wagner (0.70 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Killers of the Flower Moon: Awards forecast: nominated for lots (Leo, Gladstone, Scorsese, production design, costume, adapted screenplay, maybe score and editing) but no real shot at Best Picture.
    “I just don't think it really has any chance to win best picture.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:32:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.