The Irishman (2019)

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Wikidata Q29057443, film, IMDb tt1302006, TMDB 398978: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Martin Scorsese as director (Our Alternative Academy Awards | The Oscars Show); 12 more episodes agree.

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In the store as #563, The Irishman (2019).

Who talked about it

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Came from

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Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Killers of the Flower Moon: 4 lines unmapped ×3 industry ×1

  1. unmapped (convergence): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both bring together all themes Scorsese cares about.
    “This is a convergence movie, in the way that so many of these movies are convergence, but silence is a convergence movie. The Irishman is a convergence movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:51:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Joe Pesci: 2 lines people ×1 career ×1

  1. people (performance echo): Joe Pesci → The Irishman. Pesci's calm, quiet, smirking cameo is like his Irishman character 26 years early.
    “Pesci doing his Irishman character.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 1:22:39 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)

Robert De Niro: 2 lines career ×1 verdict ×1

  1. career (career context): Robert De Niro → The Irishman. De Niro's 21st-century highs include The Irishman, where he plays an interior role.
    “he's wonderful in the Irishman. And the Irishman, he has kind of an odd role. It's a very interior role”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:08:54 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Roma: 2 lines unmapped ×1 industry ×1

  1. unmapped (Netflix canon problem): Roma → The Irishman. Roma and The Irishman are year-end conversation films that still don't seem to belong to the real canon, even Criterion-released.
    “these movies don't seem to belong to the real canon, even when some of the Netflix movies get put out on a really physical form of canonization like criterion”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:55:08 · Adam Nayman (0.80 sure it was them)

A Bronx Tale: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (De Niro persona): A Bronx Tale → The Irishman. De Niro's refusal to intellectualize acting is tied to his Irishman interviews where he just goes in on Trump.
    “he'll be like an actor's round table for the Irishman”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:37:52 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

A Star Is Born: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Irishman → A Star Is Born. Producer Bobby suggests The Irishman is this year's A Star Is Born for the hosts' Oscar obsession.
    “perhaps the Irishman is this year's a star is born for us.”
    The Big Picture · The Oscars Schedule Changes, and Andrew Garfield On ‘Under the Silver Lake’ | Interview · 0:25:52 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Irishman → Black Panther. Cultural interest in The Irishman may not match that of Black Panther.
    “the sort of cultural interest in that movie is as high as it was in something like Black Panther.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:43:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.45 sure it was them)

Doctor Sleep: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (contrast (digital vs actors)): Doctor Sleep → The Irishman. The two arrived the same month, one casting new actors for Nicholson and company, the other de-aging the originals.
    “This movie comes out right around the same time as the Irishman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Doctor Sleep · 0:18:06 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Dolomite Is My Name: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Dolomite Is My Name → The Irishman. They count Dolomite Is My Name among the ambitious films Netflix is making alongside The Irishman and Marriage Story.
    “they're making the Irishman.”
    The Big Picture · The 10 Best Horror Movies of the Decade | The Big Picture · 1:41:19 · unknown (Alexander or Karaszewski) (0.40 sure it was them)

Holiday in the Wild: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (viewership claim): Holiday in the Wild → The Irishman. Rob Lowe claimed his Netflix elephant movie had more views than The Irishman.
    “my dumb little movie that I made about elephants in Africa had more viewers than Irishmen”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Ricki and the Flash with Bobby Finger & Lindsey Weber · 0:13:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Marriage Story: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (release-strategy comparison): The Irishman → Marriage Story. Irishman, Marriage Story and Roma were positioned as theatrical releases, which got voters to buy in.
    “The Irishman and Marriage Story and Roma as well were positioned as theatrical releases.”
    The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 1:00:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Netflix: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Irishman → Netflix. Sean assumes the Irishman has a contractual theatrical release while the other Netflix films might not.
    “I assume the Irishman has something contractually that says they'll do that.”
    The Big Picture · The Oscars Schedule Changes, and Andrew Garfield On ‘Under the Silver Lake’ | Interview · 0:27:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

Parasite: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Parasite → The Irishman. Parasite's craft nominations without acting nominations contrast with the star-driven recognition of The Irishman and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
    “maybe not the same kind of Hollywoodized star mastery that a movie like The Irishman or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood receives.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:08:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)

Portrait of a Lady on Fire: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (head-to-head): The Irishman → Portrait of a Lady on Fire. Best ending: Irishman's landing justifies everything before it; Portrait's ending moves Amanda; Parasite is also argued; they pick three different endings.
    “It not only sticks to the landing, but the landing justifies everything that came before.”
    The Big Picture · Our Alternative Academy Awards | The Oscars Show · 0:47:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Sean Fennessey: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): The Irishman → Sean Fennessey. Seeing The Irishman in a theater surrounded by people was incredible.
    “we saw the Irishman in theaters and I was like, this is fucking incredible”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:57:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)

Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker → The Irishman. Rise of Skywalker had to de-age Ian McDiarmid the way The Irishman did.
    “For Rise of Skywalker, they had to de-age him Irishman style.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Return of the Jedi · 0:41:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Departed: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (Whitey Bulger movie): The Departed → The Irishman. Scorsese's next gangster movie with De Niro, Pacino and Pesci would be de-aged digitally and paid for by Netflix.
    “It's De Niro Pacino and Joe Pesci.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Departed’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:52:21 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Killer: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (streamer master-work): The Killer → The Irishman. The Killer, Roma, The Irishman and Killers of the Flower Moon are master filmmakers' self-reflective work enabled by streamer power.
    “those are all films from quote unquote master filmmakers who are responding to their own work and life and experience and they're using the outsized corporate power of a streaming service to do so.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:56:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.55 sure it was them)

The Power of the Dog: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (Criterion route): The Power of the Dog → The Irishman. Streamer films reach boutique labels: Power of the Dog went to Criterion right away.
    “Like the power of the dog going to the criterion collection right away is interesting.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 0:43:46 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Wolf of Wall Street: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (alternate pick): The Irishman → The Wolf of Wall Street. The Irishman would have been worthy but is more divisive.
    “I think the Irishman is also would have been worthy of exploration.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:41:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Uncut Gems: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Uncut Gems → The Irishman. Only one slot exists for a mob/crime film or an epic war film, and the Irishman and 1917 took them.
    “if you have the Irishman and you have 1917, that kind of more, there's a, it's a Scorsese mob surf flick and a, and an epic war film.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:23:56 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career): Joe Pesci → The Irishman. The wig theme continues: Pesci is the greatest wig actor, and The Irishman acknowledges the hair piece.
    “He's the greatest wig actor.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘My Cousin Vinny’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Wesley Morris · 0:31:21 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career context): Robert De Niro → The Irishman. De Niro's 21st-century highs include The Irishman, where he plays an interior role.
    “he's wonderful in the Irishman. And the Irishman, he has kind of an odd role. It's a very interior role”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:08:54 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

contrast (3)

  1. contrast (contrast): Parasite → The Irishman. Parasite's craft nominations without acting nominations contrast with the star-driven recognition of The Irishman and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
    “maybe not the same kind of Hollywoodized star mastery that a movie like The Irishman or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood receives.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:08:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Uncut Gems → The Irishman. Only one slot exists for a mob/crime film or an epic war film, and the Irishman and 1917 took them.
    “if you have the Irishman and you have 1917, that kind of more, there's a, it's a Scorsese mob surf flick and a, and an epic war film.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:23:56 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Irishman → Black Panther. Cultural interest in The Irishman may not match that of Black Panther.
    “the sort of cultural interest in that movie is as high as it was in something like Black Panther.”
    The Big Picture · The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations | The Oscars Show · 0:43:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.45 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker → The Irishman. Rise of Skywalker had to de-age Ian McDiarmid the way The Irishman did.
    “For Rise of Skywalker, they had to de-age him Irishman style.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Return of the Jedi · 0:41:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (awards precedent): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Predicts an Irishman-style awards run: many nominations, few wins.
    “Okay, so you think it'll be an Irishman situation? I do.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 1:30:57 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. industry (release-strategy comparison): The Irishman → Marriage Story. Irishman, Marriage Story and Roma were positioned as theatrical releases, which got voters to buy in.
    “The Irishman and Marriage Story and Roma as well were positioned as theatrical releases.”
    The Big Picture · Emergency Mailbag: The Oscars Are Streaming and Hollywood Is Fighting Over Trolls | The Big Picture · 1:00:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Dolomite Is My Name → The Irishman. They count Dolomite Is My Name among the ambitious films Netflix is making alongside The Irishman and Marriage Story.
    “they're making the Irishman.”
    The Big Picture · The 10 Best Horror Movies of the Decade | The Big Picture · 1:41:19 · unknown (Alexander or Karaszewski) (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Roma → The Irishman. A Netflix ad for The Irishman put 'in theaters' first, which the speaker reads as the new paradigm for how movies are seen.
    “There was a notable commercial in the middle of this show for the Irishman, a new film from Netflix, and Martin Scorsese that you pointed out.”
    The Big Picture · Oscars 2019: Instant Reactions to ‘Green Book’ and the Two Warring Academies | The Oscars Show (Ep. 131) · 0:23:48 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (performance echo): Joe Pesci → The Irishman. Pesci's calm, quiet, smirking cameo is like his Irishman character 26 years early.
    “Pesci doing his Irishman character.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 1:22:39 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. people (contrast (digital vs actors)): Doctor Sleep → The Irishman. The two arrived the same month, one casting new actors for Nicholson and company, the other de-aging the originals.
    “This movie comes out right around the same time as the Irishman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Doctor Sleep · 0:18:06 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

programming (2)

  1. programming (programming): The Irishman → A Star Is Born. Producer Bobby suggests The Irishman is this year's A Star Is Born for the hosts' Oscar obsession.
    “perhaps the Irishman is this year's a star is born for us.”
    The Big Picture · The Oscars Schedule Changes, and Andrew Garfield On ‘Under the Silver Lake’ | Interview · 0:25:52 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): The Irishman → Netflix. Sean assumes the Irishman has a contractual theatrical release while the other Netflix films might not.
    “I assume the Irishman has something contractually that says they'll do that.”
    The Big Picture · The Oscars Schedule Changes, and Andrew Garfield On ‘Under the Silver Lake’ | Interview · 0:27:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (De Niro persona): A Bronx Tale → The Irishman. De Niro's refusal to intellectualize acting is tied to his Irishman interviews where he just goes in on Trump.
    “he'll be like an actor's round table for the Irishman”
    The Rewatchables · ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan · 0:37:52 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (8)

  1. unmapped (viewership claim): Holiday in the Wild → The Irishman. Rob Lowe claimed his Netflix elephant movie had more views than The Irishman.
    “my dumb little movie that I made about elephants in Africa had more viewers than Irishmen”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Ricki and the Flash with Bobby Finger & Lindsey Weber · 0:13:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (Whitey Bulger movie): The Departed → The Irishman. Scorsese's next gangster movie with De Niro, Pacino and Pesci would be de-aged digitally and paid for by Netflix.
    “It's De Niro Pacino and Joe Pesci.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Departed’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan · 0:52:21 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (Criterion route): The Power of the Dog → The Irishman. Streamer films reach boutique labels: Power of the Dog went to Criterion right away.
    “Like the power of the dog going to the criterion collection right away is interesting.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 0:43:46 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. unmapped (Criterion route): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Hope Killers gets a Criterion partnership like The Irishman did; Apple films otherwise have no physical release.
    “At some point there will be like a criterion partnership like they did with the Irishman.”
    The Big Picture · Physical Media Strikes Back With Tim Simons · 1:03:00 · Tim Simons (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. unmapped (Netflix canon problem): Roma → The Irishman. Roma and The Irishman are year-end conversation films that still don't seem to belong to the real canon, even Criterion-released.
    “these movies don't seem to belong to the real canon, even when some of the Netflix movies get put out on a really physical form of canonization like criterion”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:55:08 · Adam Nayman (0.80 sure it was them)
  6. unmapped (streamer master-work): The Killer → The Irishman. The Killer, Roma, The Irishman and Killers of the Flower Moon are master filmmakers' self-reflective work enabled by streamer power.
    “those are all films from quote unquote master filmmakers who are responding to their own work and life and experience and they're using the outsized corporate power of a streaming service to do so.”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 0:56:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.55 sure it was them)
  7. unmapped (convergence): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both bring together all themes Scorsese cares about.
    “This is a convergence movie, in the way that so many of these movies are convergence, but silence is a convergence movie. The Irishman is a convergence movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:51:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  8. unmapped (late-period reflection): Killers of the Flower Moon → The Irishman. Both are gut-punch late-period re-examinations of his career and life.
    “especially Irishmen and this film, which I think are just absolutely, like, gut punch”
    The Big Picture · ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Is Astounding · 0:58:41 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): The Irishman → Sean Fennessey. Seeing The Irishman in a theater surrounded by people was incredible.
    “we saw the Irishman in theaters and I was like, this is fucking incredible”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 0:57:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (head-to-head): The Irishman → Portrait of a Lady on Fire. Best ending: Irishman's landing justifies everything before it; Portrait's ending moves Amanda; Parasite is also argued; they pick three different endings.
    “It not only sticks to the landing, but the landing justifies everything that came before.”
    The Big Picture · Our Alternative Academy Awards | The Oscars Show · 0:47:26 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Robert De Niro → The Irishman. De Niro wins the 'Mark Wahlberg Award': will a movie into existence, produce it, play the lead well, and let everyone else get nominated.
    “De Niro wins the Mark Wahlberg Award for the year”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Fifth Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid (Ad-Free) · 1:17:28 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (alternate pick): The Irishman → The Wolf of Wall Street. The Irishman would have been worthy but is more divisive.
    “I think the Irishman is also would have been worthy of exploration.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:41:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): The Irishman → The Irishman. Ben: remake with babies as tiny gangsters; De Niro could crush moving like a baby.
    “How about the baby Irish man?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Fifth Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid (Ad-Free) · 1:24:57 · Ben Hosley (0.55 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about The Irishman: Dobbins calls The Irishman the most underrated film on the list and says the people who dislike it are wrong.
    “Which I think is the most underrated film on this list.”
    The Big Picture · The 25 Best Movies of the Century: No. 11 - 'The Wolf of Wall Street’ · 0:05:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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