Avatar: The Way of Water (2022)

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Wikidata Q3604746, film, IMDb tt1630029, TMDB 76600: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 2 more episodes agree.

Also said as Avatar 2: the same Wikidata item, so listed here.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

Who talked about it

The Big Picture

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

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Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: 3 lines unmapped ×1 programming ×1 industry ×1

  1. unmapped (CGI standard): Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water. Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI.
    “I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Disney's next big release after Avatar 2 is Ant-Man in late February, giving it about two months of runway.
    “No, it's Ant-man in like late February, maybe.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:27:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Babylon: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (ending montage): Babylon → Avatar: The Way of Water. Chris thinks it cheap that Babylon's montage of cinema moments includes Avatar, which Sean defends as part of cinema's evolution.
    “It feels cheap that he would put that movie in the like montage of the greatest film moments ever”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:32:59 · Chris Ryan (0.75 sure it was them)

Divergent: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → Divergent. A planned multi-film series that never made its fourth film is the cautionary tale for committing to four Avatar sequels.
    “This is kind of like divergent.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:23:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

James Cameron: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → James Cameron. Doubters were wrong about Cameron with Titanic and Avatar, so don't count him out.
    “But underestimate James Cameron at your peril, because this is what happened with Titanic, and this is what happened with Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Napoleon: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Napoleon. Apple may release Napoleon on Christmas Day because the landscape is soft.
    “Apple is seriously considering releasing Ridley Scott's Napoleon starring Joaquin Phoenix on Christmas Day because they're looking at the landscape and they're like, it's soft out here.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:38:33 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. After the Fox acquisition it felt like Disney would alternate Star Wars and Avatar releases.
    “oh, they'll alternate every other year between a Star Wars movie and an Avatar movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:26:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Avatar: The Way of Water → Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Cameron's pitches for sequels sounded off beforehand and then worked, as with T2.
    “Before Terminator 2 was like, you want more Terminator?”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:44:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Titanic: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Avatar: The Way of Water → Titanic. Titanic's pitch was a famous ship; Avatar's was Looney Tunes by comparison.
    “the pitch for Avatar is Looney Tunes, like compared to like him being like, I know it's going to cost a fortune for me to build a boat and sink it, but it's the Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Top Gun: Maverick: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Avatar: The Way of Water → Top Gun: Maverick. The way into the sequel should be just sit and watch, as with Top Gun: Maverick.
    “I kind of imagine it will be a little bit like Top Gun Maverick in that way where it's like the entry point for this movie is this movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:47:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Tár: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → Tár. Way of Water's one vague teaser is compared to Tár's teaser campaign.
    “This movie has the same marketing campaign as Tar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:30:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Avatar: The Way of Water → Titanic. Titanic's pitch was a famous ship; Avatar's was Looney Tunes by comparison.
    “the pitch for Avatar is Looney Tunes, like compared to like him being like, I know it's going to cost a fortune for me to build a boat and sink it, but it's the Titanic.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:45:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (ending montage): Babylon → Avatar: The Way of Water. Chris thinks it cheap that Babylon's montage of cinema moments includes Avatar, which Sean defends as part of cinema's evolution.
    “It feels cheap that he would put that movie in the like montage of the greatest film moments ever”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:32:59 · Chris Ryan (0.75 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → Divergent. A planned multi-film series that never made its fourth film is the cautionary tale for committing to four Avatar sequels.
    “This is kind of like divergent.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:23:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → Tár. Way of Water's one vague teaser is compared to Tár's teaser campaign.
    “This movie has the same marketing campaign as Tar.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:30:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water. Black Panther 2 is among the most anticipated films, along with Avatar 2, and its long wait is compared to the Avatar gap.
    “Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists”
    The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Avatar: The Way of Water → James Cameron. Doubters were wrong about Cameron with Titanic and Avatar, so don't count him out.
    “But underestimate James Cameron at your peril, because this is what happened with Titanic, and this is what happened with Avatar.”
    The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

lineage (1)

  1. lineage (lineage): Avatar: The Way of Water → Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Cameron's pitches for sequels sounded off beforehand and then worked, as with T2.
    “Before Terminator 2 was like, you want more Terminator?”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:44:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (4)

  1. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope. After the Fox acquisition it felt like Disney would alternate Star Wars and Avatar releases.
    “oh, they'll alternate every other year between a Star Wars movie and an Avatar movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:26:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Disney's next big release after Avatar 2 is Ant-Man in late February, giving it about two months of runway.
    “No, it's Ant-man in like late February, maybe.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:27:41 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Both sequels arrive within a month of each other.
    “Now, both getting sequels within a month of each other.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:37:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Avatar: The Way of Water → Napoleon. Apple may release Napoleon on Christmas Day because the landscape is soft.
    “Apple is seriously considering releasing Ridley Scott's Napoleon starring Joaquin Phoenix on Christmas Day because they're looking at the landscape and they're like, it's soft out here.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:38:33 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (CGI standard): Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water. Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI.
    “I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Avatar: The Way of Water → Top Gun: Maverick. The way into the sequel should be just sit and watch, as with Top Gun: Maverick.
    “I kind of imagine it will be a little bit like Top Gun Maverick in that way where it's like the entry point for this movie is this movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:47:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Avatar: The Way of Water: Sean's tears over Jake Sully and the whale are teased as the closest he's come to crying on the podcast.
    “that was just him crying about a whale.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:51:03 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Avatar: The Way of Water: Sigourney Weaver is back playing the daughter.
    “It's like, no, she's going to play their daughter.”
    The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:43:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

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