Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)
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Also said as Black Panther 2: the same Wikidata item, so listed here.
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In the store as #541, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022).
Who talked about it
The Big Picture
- Van Lathan: 13 lines in ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!
- Amanda Dobbins: 10 lines in ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!
- Sean Fennessey: 8 lines in The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!
- Unattributed: 2 lines, the speaker unknown or under 0.5 sure.
Came from
What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
Black Panther: 2 lines the host's read ×2
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theme (ancestral plane parallel):
Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read).
Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had.
“Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
Captain America: Civil War: 1 line the host's read ×1
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theme (character introduction):
Captain America: Civil War ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read).
Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way.
“Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
Iron Man 2: 1 line the host's read ×1
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theme (character introduction):
Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read).
Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
“Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Led to
What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.
Ironheart: 1 line the host's read ×1
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unmapped (backdoor pilot):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ⇒ Ironheart (the host's read).
Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film.
“the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
Connected to
Black Panther: 6 lines unmapped ×3 lineage ×1 theme ×1 craft ×1
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lineage (sequel theme):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
The first film's theme was isolation versus justice (Killmonger vs. T'Challa); the sequel has a real-world theme too, about allyship between Latinx and Black communities, but is not done as well.
“his movies always have a big dynamic real world theme in them in a way that I don't think many Marvel movies do.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:17:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
Avatar: The Way of Water: 3 lines unmapped ×1 programming ×1 industry ×1
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unmapped (CGI standard):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water.
Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI.
“I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
Avatar: 2 lines unmapped ×1 industry ×1
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unmapped (blue people / underwater):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar.
Amanda could not stop thinking of Avatar because it is another Disney underwater saga with blue people.
“I mean, it's an underwater saga from the Disney corporation.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
Avengers: Endgame: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (Marvel peak):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avengers: Endgame.
Sean asks whether Endgame was the crowning achievement and everything since has been scattered fan service.
“Is there a part of you that's like Endgame was actually was the crowning achievement”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:09:59 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
Captain America: Civil War: 1 line theme ×1
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theme (character introduction):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Captain America: Civil War.
Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way.
“Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (restraint):
Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now.
“Captain America Winter Soldier was less.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Clash of the Titans: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (mythology):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Clash of the Titans.
Sean suggests Amanda could watch Namor's Mayan mythology the way she might watch Greek-myth movies like Clash of the Titans or Troy.
“is there any like suspension of disbelief where you could watch it the same way you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: 1 line theme ×1
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theme (teen character problem):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
Sean sees Riri Williams as the second recent puckish teen hero, after America Chavez, whom the audience has no prior relationship with.
“we just had this with America Chavez in Doctor Strange in the multiverse of Madness.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:38:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
Game of Thrones: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (succession story):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Game of Thrones.
Sean says a version centered on who should rule Wakanda is the kind of heir story Game of Thrones told expertly, though not House of the Dragon.
“Game of Thrones was very good at posing who should be the heir.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:06:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
Inception: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Inception.
Van says many people love Inception without understanding it, yet comic book movies are not given the same pass.
“I know a lot of people who loved inception.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:54 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Interstellar: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Interstellar.
Van notes Interstellar asks viewers to grasp relativity and singularity, yet nobody balks at it the way they do at Infinity Stones.
“And he's asking you to understand relatively relativity, singularity, and all of these things.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:29 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Iron Man 2: 1 line theme ×1
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theme (character introduction):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Iron Man 2.
Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
“Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Ironheart: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (backdoor pilot):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Ironheart.
Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film.
“the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)
James Cameron: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (time and resources):
James Cameron → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Cameron spends 13 years on one franchise, so his film will look better than a Marvel release.
“one movie, this guy's working 13 years on it.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:49:41 · Van Lathan (0.70 sure it was them)
Ruth E. Carter: 1 line craft ×1
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craft (craft praise):
Ruth E. Carter → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Amanda says Carter's costume design and the production design are the electrifying part, even though she did not like the film, and that Carter should win another Oscar.
“I think Ruth Carter should win another Oscar, even though I didn't really like this movie.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:53:03 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them)
Spider-Man: No Way Home: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (final fight):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Spider-Man: No Way Home.
Van names the Marvel third-act problem and cites No Way Home as a movie that is all about its final fight.
“The whole movie is for the final fight.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:58:25 · Van Lathan (0.70 sure it was them)
Tenet: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Tenet.
Van argues audiences give Nolan films like Tenet grace for demanding hard work that comic book movies do not get.
“I think that there's a grace that we give to quote unquote, serious films or real films.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:48 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
Tenoch Huerta: 1 line people ×1
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people (performance):
Tenoch Huerta → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Amanda says Huerta is really dynamic as Namor, and the film picks up once he emerges as the main rival.
“is really dynamic.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:09:13 · Amanda Dobbins (0.65 sure it was them)
Thor: Love and Thunder: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (Marvel malaise):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Thor: Love and Thunder.
Van says Marvel films are now parodies of themselves, citing Thor: Love and Thunder as a spoof of Ragnarok.
“Some of these films are almost parodies of themselves.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:11:23 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Troy: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (mythology):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Troy.
Sean pairs Troy with Clash of the Titans as myth-based movies that ask for the same suspension of disbelief.
“you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)
Werewolf by Night: 1 line unmapped ×1
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unmapped (small-scale Marvel):
Werewolf by Night → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Werewolf by Night is the kind of fantastic small Marvel piece that ends up on Disney+, while Sean wishes there were more reading-an-issue movies like it.
“the good stuff like werewolf by night, which was fantastic.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:24 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Where it came up
- passing in The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft, first at 0:12:42, 1 time
- subject in The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!, first at 0:02:09, 30 times
- passing in The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims, first at 0:45:55, 6 times
- passing in The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture, first at 0:06:14, 4 times
- passing in Blank Check — Patreon · Eyes Wide Shut with David Ehrlich (Ad-Free), first at 1:42:35, 1 time
What was said about it, by kind
craft (2)
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craft (craft praise):
Ruth E. Carter → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Amanda says Carter's costume design and the production design are the electrifying part, even though she did not like the film, and that Carter should win another Oscar.
“I think Ruth Carter should win another Oscar, even though I didn't really like this movie.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:53:03 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them) -
craft (visual coherence):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
The first film lived in one coherent Wakanda look from Ruth Carter's costumes and the production design, while the sequel hops between many places and loses a single visual style.
“In this movie, we're in so many places, that ship at night, Riri's dorm room, Talakan, Everett Ross's jogging trip, his kitchen, the movie's just all over the place.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:53:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)
industry (2)
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industry (industry):
Avatar → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Two billion-dollar-plus first films both getting sequels a month apart, both as possible Best Picture contenders.
“You have 2 cultural phenomenon, $1000000000 1st movies”
The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:37:16 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them) -
industry (industry):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water.
Black Panther 2 is among the most anticipated films, along with Avatar 2, and its long wait is compared to the Avatar gap.
“Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists”
The Big Picture · The Future of ‘Star Wars,’ Marvel, Pixar, and Disney’s Movie Monopoly. Plus: Our Summer Movie Awards and Paul Downs Colaizzo on ‘Brittany Runs a Marathon’ | The Big Picture · 0:09:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
lineage (1)
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lineage (sequel theme):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
The first film's theme was isolation versus justice (Killmonger vs. T'Challa); the sequel has a real-world theme too, about allyship between Latinx and Black communities, but is not done as well.
“his movies always have a big dynamic real world theme in them in a way that I don't think many Marvel movies do.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:17:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
people (1)
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people (performance):
Tenoch Huerta → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Amanda says Huerta is really dynamic as Namor, and the film picks up once he emerges as the main rival.
“is really dynamic.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:09:13 · Amanda Dobbins (0.65 sure it was them)
programming (1)
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programming (programming):
Avatar: The Way of Water → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Both sequels arrive within a month of each other.
“Now, both getting sequels within a month of each other.”
The Big Picture · The Great ‘Avatar’ Debate with Blank Check’s Griffin Newman and David Sims · 1:37:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
theme (4)
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theme (ancestral plane parallel):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had.
“Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them) -
theme (character introduction):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Captain America: Civil War.
Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way.
“Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them) -
theme (character introduction):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Iron Man 2.
Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
“Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
theme (teen character problem):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
Sean sees Riri Williams as the second recent puckish teen hero, after America Chavez, whom the audience has no prior relationship with.
“we just had this with America Chavez in Doctor Strange in the multiverse of Madness.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:38:18 · Amanda Dobbins (0.60 sure it was them)
unmapped (18)
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unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Interstellar.
Van notes Interstellar asks viewers to grasp relativity and singularity, yet nobody balks at it the way they do at Infinity Stones.
“And he's asking you to understand relatively relativity, singularity, and all of these things.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:29 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Tenet.
Van argues audiences give Nolan films like Tenet grace for demanding hard work that comic book movies do not get.
“I think that there's a grace that we give to quote unquote, serious films or real films.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:48 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them) -
unmapped (demanding-film grace):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Inception.
Van says many people love Inception without understanding it, yet comic book movies are not given the same pass.
“I know a lot of people who loved inception.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:21:54 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (mythology):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Clash of the Titans.
Sean suggests Amanda could watch Namor's Mayan mythology the way she might watch Greek-myth movies like Clash of the Titans or Troy.
“is there any like suspension of disbelief where you could watch it the same way you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them) -
unmapped (mythology):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Troy.
Sean pairs Troy with Clash of the Titans as myth-based movies that ask for the same suspension of disbelief.
“you might watch Clash of the Titans or Troy, you know?”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:26:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them) -
unmapped (backdoor pilot):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Ironheart.
Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film.
“the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them) -
unmapped (runtime):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
The sequel runs 2:41 against the original's 2:12, which Amanda reads as the film trying to do too much.
“it's 2 hours and 41 minutes for a reason because they're trying to do too much.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:39:26 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (CGI weakness):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight.
“You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them) -
unmapped (CGI standard):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar: The Way of Water.
Amanda guesses the upcoming Avatar will look a thousand times better than the sequel's underwater CGI.
“I guarantee you we're going to see Avatar in a couple weeks and it's going to look a 1000 times better.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:06 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (blue people / underwater):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avatar.
Amanda could not stop thinking of Avatar because it is another Disney underwater saga with blue people.
“I mean, it's an underwater saga from the Disney corporation.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:47:22 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them) -
unmapped (time and resources):
James Cameron → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Cameron spends 13 years on one franchise, so his film will look better than a Marvel release.
“one movie, this guy's working 13 years on it.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:49:41 · Van Lathan (0.70 sure it was them) -
unmapped (action set piece):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Black Panther.
Amanda rewatched the first film's casino fight, built around Okoye, and found nothing in the sequel as exciting.
“I really loved the casino fight. I think that's like a really great action set piece.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:55:45 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (final fight):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Spider-Man: No Way Home.
Van names the Marvel third-act problem and cites No Way Home as a movie that is all about its final fight.
“The whole movie is for the final fight.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:58:25 · Van Lathan (0.70 sure it was them) -
unmapped (succession story):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Game of Thrones.
Sean says a version centered on who should rule Wakanda is the kind of heir story Game of Thrones told expertly, though not House of the Dragon.
“Game of Thrones was very good at posing who should be the heir.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:06:00 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them) -
unmapped (Marvel peak):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Avengers: Endgame.
Sean asks whether Endgame was the crowning achievement and everything since has been scattered fan service.
“Is there a part of you that's like Endgame was actually was the crowning achievement”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:09:59 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them) -
unmapped (Marvel malaise):
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever → Thor: Love and Thunder.
Van says Marvel films are now parodies of themselves, citing Thor: Love and Thunder as a spoof of Ragnarok.
“Some of these films are almost parodies of themselves.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:11:23 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (restraint):
Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now.
“Captain America Winter Soldier was less.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
unmapped (small-scale Marvel):
Werewolf by Night → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Van says Werewolf by Night is the kind of fantastic small Marvel piece that ends up on Disney+, while Sean wishes there were more reading-an-issue movies like it.
“the good stuff like werewolf by night, which was fantastic.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:24 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
Fun items about it
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fun, about
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever:
Before the screening Sean tells Amanda the IMAX holding poster shows Namor and promises she will learn a lot about him.
“Sean was just like, cool, okay, you're going to learn a lot about Neymar.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:12:39 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever:
Amanda says she was out when the whales floated in and Namor talked to the animals.
“I think when the whales started floating through to do whatever the whales did is when I was like, oh, all right, okay.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:16:40 · Amanda Dobbins (0.80 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever:
Van says that during the funeral scenes he kept wondering whether Angela Bassett's and Shuri's tears were real, since Boseman really died.
“I'm like, is she really crying?”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:40:54 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them) -
fun, about
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever:
Van's all-time top five: Raising Arizona, Madhouse (with John Larroquette), The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, and at number one Wakanda Forever.
“Number four, Madhouse with John Larroquit.”
The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:08:58 · Van Lathan (0.90 sure it was them)
Who the speakers said made it
As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.
- Lupita Nyong'o: actor (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Ryan Coogler: director (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Angela Bassett: actor (Queen Ramonda) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Joe Robert Cole: co-writer (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Letitia Wright: actor (Shuri) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Winston Duke: actor (M'Baku) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Danai Gurira: actor (Okoye) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Tenoch Huerta: actor (Namor) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Dominique Thorne: actor (Riri Williams / Ironheart) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Lake Bell: actor (killed in the siren attack) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Julia Louis-Dreyfus: actor (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Michaela Coel: actor (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Divine Love Konadu-Sun: actor (the child, T'Challa's son) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Ruth E. Carter: costume designer (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Kevin Feige: Marvel producer/head (invoked) (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Stan Lee and Jack Kirby: creators of the Marvel comics characters (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)
- Marvel: studio (The Big Picture, ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here!)