The Batman (2022)

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Wikidata Q61117344, film, IMDb tt1877830, TMDB 414906: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Matt Reeves as director (The 2022 Movie Draft); 3 more episodes agree.

The shows' “The Batman” is more than one work, told apart episode by episode: this one in 18 episodes; Batman (1989) in 6 episodes.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

The Rewatchables' awards

From ‘Batman’ (1989) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey (2022-03-08):

Most rewatchable scene

  1. pick The opening introduction of Batman with the thug on the rooftop ("I'm Batman")
    “First scene, the introduction of Batman.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:38:44
  2. pick Knox and Vicki Vale visiting Bruce Wayne's office
    “Knox and Vicki going to Bruce Wayne's office.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:39:06
  3. pick Batman foils the Joker and his gang for the first time, and the Joker falls into the vat
    “Batman Foil's Joker in the Gang the first time.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:39:24
  4. pick The Joker's first look at the Batmobile, with Vicki taking pictures while Batman beats everyone up
    “We see the Batmobile for the 1st time.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:04
  5. pick Driving into the Bat Cave with Vicki, who thinks she is being taken to be murdered
    “Driving into the bat cave. I think is my favorite part of the movie.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:12
  6. pick The flashback reveal that the Joker killed Bruce's parents
    “The flashback reveal that the Joker killed Bruce's parents is really well done.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:40:32
  7. pick The newscasts and the SmileX ad
    “I really liked the newscasts and the SmileX ad.”
    unknown · 0:40:45
  8. pick The nighttime parade where the balloons release the gas
    “The parade is pretty amazing.”
    unknown · 0:40:59
  9. floated The three big Vicky and Joker scenes: the museum date, the Bruce/Joker showdown ("let's get nuts"), and the bell tower
    “I feel like the 3 big scenes with Vicky and the Joker.”
    unknown · 0:41:18
  10. floated The bell tower finale in the cathedral, which he did not have the guts to pick
    “I didn't have the guts to put the Bell Tower scene in most rewatchable.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:42:02
  11. pick Driving into the Bat Cave
    “Um, I would say most rewatchable scene for me is probably driving into the back cave.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:42:37
  12. pick The Party Man scene in the museum, with the Joker dancing and defacing the art
    “I love the party man scene.”
    Sean Fennessey · 0:42:45

Ebert review · Reading excerpts of Roger Ebert's review of the film.

  1. pick Batman: Two stars; Ebert called Gotham atmospheric but the movie hostile and mean-spirited. The hosts think it should have been a one-and-a-half bumped up for the look, and say he missed the point.
    “I'm going to read you some raj experts, excerpts from Roger Aber review.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:37:23

What's aged the best · What about the movie has held up best.

  1. pick Nicholson's Joker as Jack Torrance: Probably his favorite thing about the movie.
    “Jack Torrance says the Joker. Love it.”
    Chris Ryan · 0:43:33
  2. pick The rushed Christmas trailer that played in theaters: Peters rushed it after comic fans objected to the Keaton casting.
    “So he rushed a film trailer that played in every theater basically during Christmas.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:43:42
  3. pick Jack Nicholson as the Joker: The exclamation point on his pop culture career.
    “just the Nicholson and what this, the exclamation point of, uh, you know, from a pop culture standpoint, his career, I would have as well.”
    unknown · 0:44:16
  4. pick The relative lack of angst compared to later Batman movies
    “I would say the relative lack of angst in this movie compared to the Batman movies that would come after it”
    Chris Ryan · 0:44:42
  5. pick Bruce Wayne's office full of armor
    “I had Bruce's office, too, when they, Vicky Vale and, um, Robert Wolf's character, his office.”
    unknown · 0:45:09

What's aged the worst · What about the movie has held up worst.

  1. pick The special effects, like the bat plane
    “Special effects. Some of this stuff is bad.”
    unknown · 0:45:31
  2. pick The movie is too dark, literally hard to see
    “I think the movie's too actually too dark.”
    unknown · 0:45:44
  3. pick The Keaton and Basinger scenes: Others disagreed and saw chemistry; later compared unfavorably with Keaton and Pfeiffer.
    “The Keaton Basinger scenes are pretty rough.”
    unknown · 0:46:00
  4. pick The uproar over the Keaton casting: Hard to explain now how big a deal it was.
    “The, uh, the crazy buzz from the Keaton casting is aged the worst”
    Bill Simmons · 0:47:42
  5. pick The Prince soundtrack
    “The print soundtrack is, I think, age the worst.”
    unknown · 0:48:46
  6. pick The importance of the Gotham Globe and newspapers
    “The importance of the Gotham Globe is age the worst because, you know, newspapers have now gone digital.”
    unknown · 0:49:12
  7. pick Keaton's hair, which looks like a wig
    “there's a couple where it just looks like he's wearing a wig a couple times.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:50:01
  8. pick Robert Wuhl as Knox: In too much of the movie and the most unfortunate part of it.
    “But the worst one, Robert Will, as Knox.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:52:18

Casting what ifs · Almost-castings and recasts, drawn from half-assed internet research.

  1. pick Morgan Freeman as Harvey Dent
    “Morgan Freeman was right there to be Harvey Dent.”
    unknown · 0:51:10
  2. pick Phil Hartman as Knox: His recast for Robert Wuhl's part.
    “Just give me Phil Hartman.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:53:33
  3. pick Daniel Day-Lewis as Knox
    “Daniel Day Lewis?”
    unknown · 0:53:26
  4. pick Bill Murray as Batman: Peters was excited about him for years; Bill would not have enjoyed it.
    “A bunch of people were excited about Bill Murray as Batman in the early 80s”
    Bill Simmons · 0:55:01
  5. pick Robin Williams as the Joker: Offered the role as a way to lock in Nicholson, then released and angry.
    “They offered Robin Williams the role and they might have offered it because this was their way to lock Nicholson in.”
    Bill Simmons · 0:57:30
  6. pick Sean Young as Vicki Vale: Replaced by Kim Basinger; versions of why differ.
    “So, cast as Vicky Vale, horse riding accident, broker carbone, Kim Basinger stepped in”
    Bill Simmons · 1:00:58
  7. pick Adam West as Batman: Disappointed not to be asked to reprise the role.
    “Adam West, who played the original Batman, was really disappointed that he wasn't asked to reprise the role”
    Bill Simmons · 1:02:47
  8. pick Morgan Freeman as Harvey Dent: Recasting couch: Daniel Day-Lewis as Knox, Phil Hartman for Robert Wuhl, Morgan Freeman as Dent.
    “And then Morgan Freeman is Two-face.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:07:01

Joey Pants Award (Best That Guy) · Best that guy in the supporting cast.

  1. winner Tracy Walter as Bob the Goon: Called a clear winner; Nicholson negotiated to have his friend in the cast.
    “This is Clear winner. Bob the Goon, AK Tracy Walter.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:04:09

Vincent Hanna Award · Best over-the-top performance moment.

  1. nominee Jack Nicholson as the Joker: Has moments; the Prince song scene is a candidate.
    “I mean Nicholson has moments. The Prince song is a Vincent Hanna candidate.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:05:15
  2. winner Michael Keaton as Batman: Flipping out in the showdown with the Joker ("Let's get nuts").
    “Now you want to get nuts? Come on, let's get nuts.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:05:28
  3. nominee Jack Palance as Carl Grissom: His dying scene, called the platonic ideal of the dramatic death roll.
    “Palace is the platonic ideal for that.”
    unknown · 1:06:00

Dion Waiters Award · Small role with big impact.

  1. winner Michael Gough as Alfred: One of the only constants of the four Batman movies.
    “there's a lot of love for Michael Goff as Alfred.”
    unknown · 1:06:37
  2. nominee Jerry Hall
    “It's fun to see Jerry Hall.”
    unknown · 1:06:29

Apex Mountain · Whether this movie was the peak of juice for someone's career.

  1. winner Michael Keaton: Yes: enough juice to get Pacific Heights made.
    “I think, yes, because it's supposed to be when you had the most juice and the whole thing.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:09:54
  2. nominee Kim Basinger: Arguably yes, about to meet Alec Baldwin; others point to L.A. Confidential.
    “You could argue, yes.”
    unknown · 1:10:26
  3. nominee Jack Nicholson: No: his apex was elsewhere.
    “Nicholson, no.”
    unknown · 1:10:59
  4. winner Jon Peters and Peter Guber: Yes: Batman gave them the juice to take over Sony.
    “Peters and Goober as a combo, I would say yes.”
    unknown · 1:11:07
  5. pick Batman Returns: Burton's apex is probably Batman Returns rather than this one, since he made the movie he wanted.
    “I would say it's Batman Returns, because that's a better movie, and he had more of a stranglehold on that movie.”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:11:49

Picking Nits · Nitpicks of a movie they love.

  1. pick Vicky finds out Bruce is Batman in the Bat Cave with no reveal or payoff
    “Vicky waltzes into the bat cave. Finds out Bruce's Batman. There's no reveal.”
    Bill Simmons · 1:13:04
  2. pick Nobody recognizing Bruce Wayne without the mask
    “all the superhero, the Batman and Superman movies hinge on this inability of anybody to recognize that this guy without the mask is the guy with the mask.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:14:34
  3. pick The cathedral finale coming out of nowhere
    “The cathedral out of nowhere it comes from.”
    unknown · 1:14:55
  4. pick Vicky Vale saying she only weighs 108 pounds
    “Vicky Vale says she only weighs 108 pounds.”
    unknown · 1:15:12
  5. pick Nobody in the world would be intimidated by the Joker's gang
    “How about the fact that no one in the world would be intimidated by the Joker's gang?”
    unknown · 1:17:32
  6. pick Newscasters getting boils once the SmileX products are tainted
    “the newscasters go from like totally normal looking to having like boils on their face”
    unknown · 1:18:29

Unanswerable questions · Open questions about the movie and franchise.

  1. pick The Batmen as basketball players: Keaton is Dr. J, Bale is Michael Jordan, the Reeves era is LeBron
    “that Keaton, as Batman, is Dr. J, and that Bail, as Batman and the Nolan films is Michael Jordan”
    Sean Fennessey · 1:19:13

Memorabilia · A prop from the movie they would own.

  1. pick The Batmobile
    “I mean, clearly has to be the Batmobile.”
    unknown · 1:23:14
  2. pick The Joker's palm buzzer that electrocutes guys
    “I would take the little palm thing that Nicholson has to electrocute guys.”
    Chris Ryan · 1:23:21

Who won the movie · Who came out on top from making the movie.

  1. winner Jack Nicholson
    “Nicholson, right?”
    Bill Simmons · 1:23:54
  2. nominee Tim Burton: Burton is said to win the next one, not this, since he was unhappy with how this played out.
    “Yeah, either Nicholson or Burton.”
    unknown · 1:23:57
  3. winner Jack Nicholson
    “Yeah, I would say Nicholson.”
    unknown · 1:24:14

Who talked about it

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The Big Picture

Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Batman (1943 serial): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Batman (1943 serial) ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). A New York screening of the 1943 Lewis Wilson serial caused bat fever and led Fox to greenlight the movie.
    “someone screened that in New York City and it was such a phenomenon.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:11:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Seven: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. unmapped (borrowing): Seven ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). The speaker had forgotten how indebted The Batman is to Fincher, mostly to Se7en.
    “I had forgotten just how indebted the Batman is to...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:28:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Long Halloween (comic): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Long Halloween (comic) ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). Every adaptation pulls from The Long Halloween but has not used Calendar Man.
    “Everyone has pulled from the long Halloween, but not used calendar man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:43:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

The Dark Knight Rises: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman ⇒ The Dark Knight Rises (the host's read). The ocean bomb-disposal sequence is thought to be directly referenced in the final act of Dark Knight Rises.
    “this sequence, a lot of people think, is directly referenced by the final act of Dark Knight Rises.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:18:49 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Batman Forever: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman ⇒ Batman Forever (the host's read). Burton had a plane and a boat which Schumacher updated in Batman Forever; Batman & Robin gave Robin a motorcycle.
    “Burton has a plane and a boat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:27:30 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Batman Forever / Batman & Robin: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman ⇒ Batman Forever / Batman & Robin (the host's read). Griffin says Schumacher's Batman films are directly shaped by the Adam West show's pairing and cliffhanger style.
    “Joel Schumacher is very influenced by the Adam West show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:08:26 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Batman Returns: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Batman ⇒ Batman Returns (the host's read). Villains scheming together in Batman Returns and Schumacher films echoes the 1966 team-up, but those feel forced.
    “The team up does always feel a little forced”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:42:12 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Conan O'Brien: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman ⇒ Conan O'Brien (the host's read). Conan's brand of obvious-shorthand humor is why this humor lands for the hosts; Conan echoes it.
    “Conan is actually probably a crucial reason this humor lands for us because Conan is echoing it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:37:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Connected to

The Lego Batman Movie: 4 lines craft ×1 contrast ×1 lineage ×1 verdict ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Lego Batman Movie → The Batman. Studios worry how to do a serious Robin; this film makes Robin the lighter contrast point instead.
    “I think Matt Reeves and Nolan, all these people freak out about like, how do you do the serious version of Robin?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Lego Batman Movie · 0:51:05 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

Batman (franchise): 2 lines programming ×1 what-if ×1

  1. programming (programming): Batman (franchise) → The Batman. Reeves' film was well reviewed enough that DC may do more of it, the hosts hoping for fun elsewhere.
    “I think we're now in Reevesville.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:03:19 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Batman Forever: 2 lines contrast ×1 lineage ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Batman Forever. Schumacher made Robin a grown man and the dynamic got more homoerotic; the 1966 Robin is a child.
    “In the Schumacher movies, they make him more grown up and it becomes more homeerotic.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:26:36 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm: 2 lines programming ×2

  1. programming (programming): The Batman → Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. The humor peaks with the first film and declines across the series; Phantasm and Lego Batman are partial exceptions.
    “humor peaks with the 1st one, just decline, basically.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:15:13 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Conan O'Brien: 2 lines verdict ×1 lineage ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Conan O'Brien → The Batman. Conan reportedly calls this movie the peak of comedy writing.
    “Conan O'Brien cites this movie as like the peak of comedy writing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:14:39 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Seven: 2 lines unmapped ×1 theme ×1

  1. unmapped (borrowing): Seven → The Batman. The speaker had forgotten how indebted The Batman is to Fincher, mostly to Se7en.
    “I had forgotten just how indebted the Batman is to...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:28:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Dark Knight Rises: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Dark Knight Rises. The ocean bomb-disposal sequence is thought to be directly referenced in the final act of Dark Knight Rises.
    “this sequence, a lot of people think, is directly referenced by the final act of Dark Knight Rises.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:18:49 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Airplane! / Naked Gun (Zucker Brothers): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Batman → Airplane! / Naked Gun (Zucker Brothers). A brass band as the obstruction in the bomb sequence is the same shorthand humor Naked Gun uses.
    “Obviously, naked gun always does that, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:16:02 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Batman (1943 serial): 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Batman (1943 serial). A New York screening of the 1943 Lewis Wilson serial caused bat fever and led Fox to greenlight the movie.
    “someone screened that in New York City and it was such a phenomenon.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:11:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Batman Forever / Batman & Robin: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Batman Forever / Batman & Robin. Griffin says Schumacher's Batman films are directly shaped by the Adam West show's pairing and cliffhanger style.
    “Joel Schumacher is very influenced by the Adam West show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:08:26 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Batman Returns: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Batman Returns → The Batman. Villains scheming together in Batman Returns and Schumacher films echoes the 1966 team-up, but those feel forced.
    “The team up does always feel a little forced”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:42:12 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Batman v Superman / Snyder's DC films: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Batman v Superman / Snyder's DC films. The Snyder vehicles are CGI chaos, unlike the real drivable Nolan Batmobile.
    “the thing with the Snyder version is, it's just a CGI thing that smashes around.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:26:01 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Frasier (butler episode): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Frasier (butler episode) → The Batman. A Frasier episode with Victor Garber as a butler is recommended as the same butler-fantasy.
    “there's one episode of Frasier.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:54:17 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Fredric Wertham: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Fredric Wertham → The Batman. The 1950s comics-code panic over Batman and Robin being gay is why movies fear Robin.
    “Batman and Robin are gay.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:25:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Gilda: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (source of rumor): Gilda → The Batman. A speaker says watching Gilda will help understand the next Batman, with Scarlett Johansson rumored as Gilda Dent.
    “And then you'll be able to understand the Batman too.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:49:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Harley Quinn / Margot Robbie DC films: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Harley Quinn / Margot Robbie DC films. The Harley Quinn stuff has the stylized tone but an edge-lordy element that leaves a bad taste.
    “But it's that kind of, you know, you know, edge lordy element”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:03:44 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Lorenzo Semple Jr.: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Lorenzo Semple Jr. → The Batman. Semple says the show was a blast, intended and run as a comedy, and he was proud of it.
    “It was intended as a comedy, is run as a comedy, like at the Emmys, at one Emmys, in the comedy categories.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:07:40 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Mad magazine: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Mad magazine. The film's comedy is Mad magazine style: cram in as many jokes as possible.
    “it's this sort of mad magazine comedy where it's like fit in as many jokes as you can.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:30:16 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Matt Reeves: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): The Batman → Matt Reeves. Fennessey names The Batman as Matt Reeves's movie, due late next year.
    “the Batman, which is Matt Reeves's Batman movie”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)

Monty Python: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Monty Python. The opening dedication to fun lovers and the apology for overlooked lovers is compared to Monty Python.
    “That's like Monty Python.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:14:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Paul Dano: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (performance): Paul Dano → The Batman. Chris calls Dano a fantastic villain and Pattinson a solid Batman.
    “he's he's a fantastic villain in it.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:46:06 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Prisoners: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (actor persona): The Batman → Prisoners. Chris jokes Dano's Riddler is what the Prisoners guy would be if he grew up and moved to Gotham.
    “This is if the prisoner's guy grew up and moved to Gotham”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:46:01 · Chris Ryan (0.70 sure it was them)

Robert Pattinson: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Robert Pattinson → The Batman. Telling the 2010 Comic-Con complainers that Pattinson would play Batman a decade later.
    “a decade from now, this guy's going to play Batman and you're going to be amped about it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eclipse · 1:41:49 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

Rocky and Bullwinkle (Fearless Leader): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): The Batman → Rocky and Bullwinkle (Fearless Leader). The UN delegates scene includes a Soviet delegate with a Nazi vibe like Rocky and Bullwinkle's Fearless Leader.
    “Fearless leader from Rocky and Bullenkle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:56:45 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Spider-Man (1970s live-action TV show and its European compilation movies): 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Spider-Man (1970s live-action TV show and its European compilation movies) → The Batman. TV episode compilations as movies (Spider-Man, Battlestar Galactica) frame why Batman 1966 could be mistaken for stitched-together episodes.
    “They would package together episodes of that and release it in like Europe and other countries.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:01:54 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Spider-Man (franchise): 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Spider-Man (franchise). Spider-Man has the second-best rogues gallery but its villains read as criminals with a gimmick, while Batman villains are insane.
    “They feel like criminals with a gimmick.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:08:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Dark Knight: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): The Dark Knight → The Batman. The Batpod reveal is called the greatest Batmobile moment of all time.
    “I do think the greatest Batmobile moment of all time is when it's broken in the dark night and the Batpod comes out.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:26:27 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

The Flash: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Batman → The Flash. The Batman is not in the same world as the other Batmen; DC is carving out separate zones.
    “Matt Reeves comes in and is just like, I don't really want this Batman to be in the same world as the other Batman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Marvel Nerdfest · 0:12:13 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Long Halloween (comic): 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Long Halloween (comic) → The Batman. Every adaptation pulls from The Long Halloween but has not used Calendar Man.
    “Everyone has pulled from the long Halloween, but not used calendar man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:43:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Simpsons: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Simpsons. Joke density, word jokes and visual jokes read as proto-Simpsons.
    “it feels very Simpsons.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:29:45 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Sound of Music: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Batman → The Sound of Music. A UK sing-along Sound of Music (Prince Charles Theater) turned into a Rocky Horror-style costume event.
    “It became this rocky horror adjacent thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 2:03:25 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Truman Show: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): The Batman → The Truman Show. The submerged water-tank photography against a painted backdrop looks like The Truman Show.
    “I was about to reference the Truman show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:45:42 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): The Batman → Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?. Number one at the box office the week the film opened was Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
    “Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:59:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Zodiac Killer: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Zodiac Killer. Reeves took the Riddler as a Zodiac-style killer, which is smart, vs the 1966 puzzle-lover.
    “Obviously, Reeves goes for the zodiac angle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:02:35 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Zucker Brothers: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Zucker Brothers. The film's stacked visual gags (a joke in the foreground and another behind) are the Zucker Brothers style.
    “And very Zucker Brothers, the like, Drebin can be saying something, but there's an additional gag behind him.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:29:52 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (1)

  1. career (career): Robert Pattinson → The Batman. Telling the 2010 Comic-Con complainers that Pattinson would play Batman a decade later.
    “a decade from now, this guy's going to play Batman and you're going to be amped about it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eclipse · 1:41:49 · Griffin Newman (0.30 sure it was them)

contrast (8)

  1. contrast (contrast): The Lego Batman Movie → The Batman. Studios worry how to do a serious Robin; this film makes Robin the lighter contrast point instead.
    “I think Matt Reeves and Nolan, all these people freak out about like, how do you do the serious version of Robin?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Lego Batman Movie · 0:51:05 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): The Batman → The Batman. Burton tried to put Robin in both his movies and both times the character was cut.
    “Burton tried to put Robin in both of his movies and both cases got cut.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:25:56 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Batman Forever. Schumacher made Robin a grown man and the dynamic got more homoerotic; the 1966 Robin is a child.
    “In the Schumacher movies, they make him more grown up and it becomes more homeerotic.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:26:36 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): The Batman → The Batman. Burton made the Penguin literally half-penguin with flipper arms, versus the original gangster in a suit.
    “That's what Burton's like, no, this guy has like flipper arms, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:02:13 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Zodiac Killer. Reeves took the Riddler as a Zodiac-style killer, which is smart, vs the 1966 puzzle-lover.
    “Obviously, Reeves goes for the zodiac angle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:02:35 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Harley Quinn / Margot Robbie DC films. The Harley Quinn stuff has the stylized tone but an edge-lordy element that leaves a bad taste.
    “But it's that kind of, you know, you know, edge lordy element”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:03:44 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Spider-Man (franchise). Spider-Man has the second-best rogues gallery but its villains read as criminals with a gimmick, while Batman villains are insane.
    “They feel like criminals with a gimmick.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:08:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. contrast (contrast): The Batman → Batman v Superman / Snyder's DC films. The Snyder vehicles are CGI chaos, unlike the real drivable Nolan Batmobile.
    “the thing with the Snyder version is, it's just a CGI thing that smashes around.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:26:01 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

craft (6)

  1. craft (craft): The Batman → The Lego Batman Movie. Pattinson's eye treatment is the smartest live-action answer to the expressive-mask problem the Lego movie solves.
    “No, the thing they do with Patinson is probably the smartest.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Lego Batman Movie · 0:39:17 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Lorenzo Semple Jr. → The Batman. Semple says the show was a blast, intended and run as a comedy, and he was proud of it.
    “It was intended as a comedy, is run as a comedy, like at the Emmys, at one Emmys, in the comedy categories.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:07:40 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): The Batman → Airplane! / Naked Gun (Zucker Brothers). A brass band as the obstruction in the bomb sequence is the same shorthand humor Naked Gun uses.
    “Obviously, naked gun always does that, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:16:02 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): The Batman → The Batman. The Burton Batmobile was a childhood toy; the 1966 car looks coolest but also most like a car.
    “I certainly had the Burton Batmobile as a toy, and I played with it all the time”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:25:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): The Batman → The Batman. Reeves pulled the Batmobile back toward being a car, like the 1966 one.
    “I like that Reed's turned it back into being a little more of a car again.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:25:47 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): The Batman → The Truman Show. The submerged water-tank photography against a painted backdrop looks like The Truman Show.
    “I was about to reference the Truman show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:45:42 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (3)

  1. industry (industry): Spider-Man (1970s live-action TV show and its European compilation movies) → The Batman. TV episode compilations as movies (Spider-Man, Battlestar Galactica) frame why Batman 1966 could be mistaken for stitched-together episodes.
    “They would package together episodes of that and release it in like Europe and other countries.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:01:54 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Fredric Wertham → The Batman. The 1950s comics-code panic over Batman and Robin being gay is why movies fear Robin.
    “Batman and Robin are gay.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:25:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): The Batman → Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?. Number one at the box office the week the film opened was Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
    “Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:59:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

lineage (13)

  1. lineage (source of rumor): Gilda → The Batman. A speaker says watching Gilda will help understand the next Batman, with Scarlett Johansson rumored as Gilda Dent.
    “And then you'll be able to understand the Batman too.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:49:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Batman Forever / Batman & Robin. Griffin says Schumacher's Batman films are directly shaped by the Adam West show's pairing and cliffhanger style.
    “Joel Schumacher is very influenced by the Adam West show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:08:26 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Batman (1943 serial). A New York screening of the 1943 Lewis Wilson serial caused bat fever and led Fox to greenlight the movie.
    “someone screened that in New York City and it was such a phenomenon.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:11:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Monty Python. The opening dedication to fun lovers and the apology for overlooked lovers is compared to Monty Python.
    “That's like Monty Python.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:14:37 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Lego Batman Movie. Lego Batman keeps the humor alive as the exception to the trend toward seriousness.
    “And Lego pops up, again, for Lego.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:15:22 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Dark Knight Rises. The ocean bomb-disposal sequence is thought to be directly referenced in the final act of Dark Knight Rises.
    “this sequence, a lot of people think, is directly referenced by the final act of Dark Knight Rises.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:18:49 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Simpsons. Joke density, word jokes and visual jokes read as proto-Simpsons.
    “it feels very Simpsons.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:29:45 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Zucker Brothers. The film's stacked visual gags (a joke in the foreground and another behind) are the Zucker Brothers style.
    “And very Zucker Brothers, the like, Drebin can be saying something, but there's an additional gag behind him.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:29:52 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Mad magazine. The film's comedy is Mad magazine style: cram in as many jokes as possible.
    “it's this sort of mad magazine comedy where it's like fit in as many jokes as you can.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:30:16 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. lineage (lineage): The Long Halloween (comic) → The Batman. Every adaptation pulls from The Long Halloween but has not used Calendar Man.
    “Everyone has pulled from the long Halloween, but not used calendar man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:43:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. lineage (lineage): The Batman → The Dark Knight Rises. The giant bomb, the film's most iconic image, is what Dark Knight Rises lifts.
    “This is the thing that Dark Knight Rises kind of lifts.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:14:38 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  12. lineage (lineage): The Batman → Batman Forever. Burton had a plane and a boat which Schumacher updated in Batman Forever; Batman & Robin gave Robin a motorcycle.
    “Burton has a plane and a boat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:27:30 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  13. lineage (lineage): Conan O'Brien → The Batman. Conan's brand of obvious-shorthand humor is why this humor lands for the hosts; Conan echoes it.
    “Conan is actually probably a crucial reason this humor lands for us because Conan is echoing it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:37:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

people (4)

  1. people (actor persona): The Batman → Prisoners. Chris jokes Dano's Riddler is what the Prisoners guy would be if he grew up and moved to Gotham.
    “This is if the prisoner's guy grew up and moved to Gotham”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:46:01 · Chris Ryan (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. people (performance): Paul Dano → The Batman. Chris calls Dano a fantastic villain and Pattinson a solid Batman.
    “he's he's a fantastic villain in it.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:46:06 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): The Batman → Matt Reeves. Fennessey names The Batman as Matt Reeves's movie, due late next year.
    “the Batman, which is Matt Reeves's Batman movie”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. people (people): The Batman → The Batman. The Reeves film has the most villains: Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin and Sal Maroni.
    “Yeah, the Reeve movie has the most villains and Sal Maroni, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:41:46 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (5)

  1. programming (programming): The Batman → The Flash. The Batman is not in the same world as the other Batmen; DC is carving out separate zones.
    “Matt Reeves comes in and is just like, I don't really want this Batman to be in the same world as the other Batman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Marvel Nerdfest · 0:12:13 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): The Batman → Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. The humor peaks with the first film and declines across the series; Phantasm and Lego Batman are partial exceptions.
    “humor peaks with the 1st one, just decline, basically.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:15:13 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Batman (franchise) → The Batman. Reeves' film was well reviewed enough that DC may do more of it, the hosts hoping for fun elsewhere.
    “I think we're now in Reevesville.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:03:19 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): The Batman → The Sound of Music. A UK sing-along Sound of Music (Prince Charles Theater) turned into a Rocky Horror-style costume event.
    “It became this rocky horror adjacent thing”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 2:03:25 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. programming (programming): Batman: Mask of the Phantasm → The Batman. The 'Not All Batman' series continues with Mask of the Phantasm in 20 days.
    “Tune in for Batman Maska Phantasm for the thrilling conclusion”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 2:11:56 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

theme (4)

  1. theme (detective comparison): The Batman → Seven. The Riddler is a bad serial killer next to John Doe; Batman a worse detective than Mills and Somerset.
    “the Riddler is a bad serial killer in the Batman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:30:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Batman Returns → The Batman. Villains scheming together in Batman Returns and Schumacher films echoes the 1966 team-up, but those feel forced.
    “The team up does always feel a little forced”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:42:12 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Frasier (butler episode) → The Batman. A Frasier episode with Victor Garber as a butler is recommended as the same butler-fantasy.
    “there's one episode of Frasier.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:54:17 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): The Batman → Rocky and Bullwinkle (Fearless Leader). The UN delegates scene includes a Soviet delegate with a Nazi vibe like Rocky and Bullwinkle's Fearless Leader.
    “Fearless leader from Rocky and Bullenkle.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:56:45 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

unmapped (1)

  1. unmapped (borrowing): Seven → The Batman. The speaker had forgotten how indebted The Batman is to Fincher, mostly to Se7en.
    “I had forgotten just how indebted the Batman is to...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:28:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Conan O'Brien → The Batman. Conan reportedly calls this movie the peak of comedy writing.
    “Conan O'Brien cites this movie as like the peak of comedy writing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:14:39 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): The Lego Batman Movie → The Batman. One movie has the best Robin and the only real angle on the Batman-Robin relationship (probably Lego Batman; title not said).
    “Because it also is the one movie that I think actually has an angle on what is this relationship?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:28:08 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): The Dark Knight → The Batman. The Batpod reveal is called the greatest Batmobile moment of all time.
    “I do think the greatest Batmobile moment of all time is when it's broken in the dark night and the Batpod comes out.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:26:27 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): Batman (franchise) → The Batman. The hope is that the Keaton Batman side universe will allow a little more fun.
    “I'm hoping that, if not silly, the Keaton Batman side universe will allow a little more fun.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:03:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about The Batman: Chris picks it because his favorite meme of the century is Paul Dano losing his mind behind the Arkham cell; Dano as the Riddler is a gift.
    “one of my favorite memes of the century.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 0:45:47 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about The Batman: Each Batman movie should be a different director and genre set by the villain: Killer Croc horror, Joker noir.
    “Killer Croc is a horror movie.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:38:21 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The Batman: Semple wrote the screenplay in a week and they shot it in a month.
    “simple writes the screenplay in a week.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:11:54 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about The Batman: The opening dedication sends up lovers of the ridiculous and apologizes to any sizable group of lovers it overlooked.
    “We've overlooked any sizable groups of lovers, we apologize.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:14:32 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about The Batman: Rubber shark visibly leaking water, then Batman reaches for shark repellent bat spray.
    “Water leaking out of the shark, the rubber shark, you can see.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:21:52 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about The Batman: Alfred drives the Batmobile in a harlequin mask so nobody connects it to Bruce Wayne's butler.
    “A little harlequin mask.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:54:59 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about The Batman: The Riddler's lazy branding: binoculars with a single question mark.
    “I think it's a little lazy of him to just get a pair of binoculars and put one question mark on them”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:59:39 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about The Batman: The mattress truck under the falling Batman is the classic funniest-obstruction shorthand.
    “It's the classic like the fucking mattress truck.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:28:30 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about The Batman: The UN joke: the dust is rehydrated but everyone speaks a different language.
    “So basically the joke is, everyone has been physically reconstituted, but just speaks a different language.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:57:02 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about The Batman: The commentary ends with a tease for the next Not All Batman episode in 20 days.
    “same bat Patreon, same bat feed, RSS feed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 2:11:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.